Why I Left ABA

Trigger Warning: ABA, ableism, institutionalized child abuse

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When I first became an ABA Therapist, I was thrilled. I was actually going to use my psych degree, get paid more than minimum wage, and above all, make a positive difference in Autistic children’s lives. Or at least, that’s what I thought.

Now I look back, and the year I spent working in ABA is my single greatest regret.

When I left, it wasn’t a decision I made overnight. It was a long, difficult process, full of denial and confusion. I don’t enjoy talking about it because I did so many wrong things that affected kids’ lives, and I don’t want to offer any excuses for myself. But I do want you to get a sense of what the process was like, in case anyone reading this happens to be in the same position.

Before I go any further, I want to say that I’m so grateful for the Autistic community for sharing about their lives and their experiences. I’d probably still be working in ABA right now if it wasn’t for their tireless efforts to call out ableism, which helped me recognize it in my own life and in my work. Listening to their voices and their traumatic experiences of ABA is what made me quit, and none of these critiques of ABA are my own. I learned everything from Autistic people, and I’m going to link to many of their writings and videos that influenced my decision to quit.

Since ABA affects Autistic people’s lives first and foremost, their voices are the most important part of this discussion, and it’s essential that you listen to what they’re saying.

And of course, the links in this post are only just a small sample of all the invaluable information that exists within the Autistic community – you can learn so much more by continuing to seek out Autistic writers and speakers. Before you continue reading, I recommend checking out this FAQ page about Autism by Autistic Hoya and this video by Amythest Schaber, because there is already so much misinformation about what Autism even is. And there is no better expert on Autism than someone who actually is Autistic.

I also want to recognize that many forms of therapy for Autistic kids are called “ABA,” but not all would actually be considered traditional ABA and thus they may be less problematic than the forms I’m going to discuss in this post. Many times, a therapy is labeled ABA simply to get covered by insurance. This is why it can get confusing to discuss ABA since the term is used to encompass a broad variety of teaching methods. Please understand that when I’m talking about ABA in this post, I’m speaking from my own personal experience of it. This page is a good summary of the kind of ABA I did (though I never worked at that place specifically), which included Discrete Trial Training (DTT), Natural Environment Training (NET), and errorless teaching.

When I began working as an ABA Therapist, I had barely even heard of ABA before, and it was a bit counterintuitive to me. I googled it, and I found pages and pages of glowing reports from families about how much ABA helped their Autistic children. I saw that Autism Speaks, the largest and most well-known advocacy group about Autism in the US, supported ABA. I saw that ABA was an evidence-based practice built on scientific research, and that it was the most widespread treatment for Autistic kids in America. People billed as “Autism experts” highly recommended it. I walked away feeling mostly great about the work I was doing.

However, I also got my first small exposure to other, more critical perspectives. I didn’t know how to interact with the non-speaking kids I worked with, and this prompted me to do some cursory research about Autistic people’s experiences. I ended up finding Ido Kedar’s wonderful book about his experiences as a non-speaking Autistic, and he taught me that the ability to talk indicated nothing about a person’s intelligence. Ido openly criticized ABA for not realizing this simple fact, among other things, and he often writes in his blog about how much he was underestimated by his ABA team (such as this post). His experiences left me with some doubts about the field, but one negative view was far too easy to push aside in favor of all the positivity surrounding ABA.

And that’s largely what I did for the next several months. I took some of Ido’s criticisms to heart in that I worried ABA wasn’t always a good option for non-speaking kids, but it still seemed like it could really help some of them. So I focused on learning how to do my job well and trying to be the kind of therapist who never doubted any of the kids’ intelligence. I thought that was enough.

After a while, I decided I wanted more opinions about ABA from Autistic people themselves. I went back on Google, and I began to discover a vibrant online community made up of Autistic people and their allies.

When I started finding more blogs and articles from Autistic people describing the trauma they felt as a result of ABA, I was so horrified, I could barely finish reading them. This post by Unstrange Mind was one of the first that I found, and it really made me question my job. 

But I was also quick to defend myself. Whatever I read, I would try to find anything about the author’s experience of ABA that was different than mine. I assured myself that the ABA I was doing wasn’t the same because we weren’t using aversives, or because we had options for reinforcement that the authors didn’t, or because some of the kids made so much progress, or because I really cared about the kids.

That last reason was the most comforting to me. I thought that because I cared about the kids’ well-being, because I had a strong desire to help them, everything I did must therefore be in their best interest. In my mind, it gave me a special immunity to making mistakes.

Caring meant there was no way I could be hurting them. I now realize how dangerous this idea really is. I’ve hurt many people I care deeply about. Just because you care about someone or have good intentions does not guarantee you’re doing the best thing for them.

But I was convinced that ABA could not be harmful because it was designed to help, or so I believed at the time. The result of this mindset is that Autistic kids are repeatedly forced to do things that are unnatural, uninteresting, or even painful to them, all in the name of “therapy” – and all with smiles and upbeat attitudes from the therapists demanding it. The kids may cry. They may try to escape. They may refuse. But they must do it, because we have decided it is good for them and that we are helping them. They just may not be able to see it or understand it at the time. Real Social Skills writes very poignantly about this kind of attitude among therapists in this post.

This overall concept is called compliance training, and it is an integral part of many ABA programs. The rule is, once you give a command as an ABA Therapist, you must follow through with it no matter what. If a child tries to cry or escape or engage in any other “behaviors,” you can’t give in, because then you are only reinforcing their bad behaviors and making it more likely that they’ll use them in the future.

Hopefully, you can see just how disturbing this idea really is, as I do now. Compliance training does not provide any way for a child to say “no” once a therapist gives a command, because everyone assumes that a child doesn’t have a valid reason for refusing to do something. This video by Amythest Schaber (a.k.a. Neurowonderful) explains why this is so harmful.

As Amythest explains, compliance training sends a very damaging message to Autistic kids by never allowing them to say “no.” It tells them that their feelings are invalid, and at its worst, that there is something deeply wrong with them if they are hurt or unnerved by things that don’t hurt or unnerve us. As if being neurotypical automatically means that we somehow know what’s best for every Autistic child.

Compliance training becomes doubly dangerous when it is not rooted in a real understanding of Autistic people’s experiences. Oftentimes, an underlying reason behind many goals in ABA is to teach kids to look and act less Autistic. If a child has any behaviors that seem “repetitive” or “obsessive,” or any that are just not understood by the neurotypical people around them, then behaviorists often try to change these things. Stimming is the most common example of this, but it could be anything. Walking on tip-toes, talking about the same topic too many times, using echolalia, having an intense interest, not making eye contact, covering ears, not playing with toys in a specific manner – anything that behaviorists deem “inappropriate” often becomes a goal the child has to work on changing. (If you don’t know what stimming is, Amythest has two great videos explaining stim here and here. You can also read this post by BJforShaw.)

The problem is that these kinds of goals completely discount the fact that everyone has a reason for doing something. Just because someone else doesn’t understand why a child is flapping their hands or covering their ears or any number of other things, that does not mean the child has no valid reasons for doing so.

Since Autism often involves special sensory sensitivities, it makes complete sense that Autistic people react to the world differently than neurotypicals. In fact, many Autistic people have already explained that there is a reason for their stim and other repetitive behaviors that might seem strange to neurotypical people – for example, it is a natural expression of feelings and helps regulate overwhelming sensory input, as Amythest explains in her first video about stimming. Things that a neurotypical person would hardly notice, like fluorescent lights or soft background music, can be overwhelming to someone with more heightened sensory systems. This means that refusing to allow a child to engage in stim – which often involves interrupting or preventing their stim by physically forcing their hands down to their sides or on to a table – could be physically painful for them. Julia Bascom writes about how horrible that experience is here. Eye contact is similar; many Autistic people have also talked about direct eye contact as being a very overwhelming sensory experience, such as Judy Endow’s post here.

Compliance training and harmful therapy goals are two of the biggest problems with many forms of ABA, but there are plenty of other concerns that Autistic people and their allies have raised about the ABA they experienced. This is by no means an exhaustive list, but some further concerns include:

-Using explicit aversives to actively discourage unacceptable behaviors (see this post by Ink and Daggers).
-Withholding all rewards unless kids ask for it or earn it, including food, breaks, and affection.
-Not allowing any free time or only very small breaks in 5-hour/8-hour days (again, see this post by Unstrange Mind, which also details many other problems with ABA, including the goals meant for normalizing kids).
-Not recognizing motor apraxia, which may give the appearance an Autistic person does not understand a command, when in reality, they may not be able to get their body to obey them because they experience a disconnect between their mind and their body (again, see this post by Ido Kedar, this post by Amy Sequenzia, and this post at Emma’s Hope Book).
-Allowing behaviorists to have too much power (see this post by Real Social Skills).
-Using verbal prompts (“quiet hands,” “nice hands,” “hands down”) and physical prompts to prevent children from stimming (again, see this post by Julia Bascom).
-Using functioning labels to define a child’s abilities (see this post at Musings of an Aspie and this video by Amythest Schaber).
-Routinely using physical restraints as a solution for kids engaging in violent or destructive behaviors, instead of as an absolute last resort that is recognized as being harmful (see this post by Real Social Skills and this checklist for identifying sources of aggression at We Are Like Your Child).
-Not presuming the kids to be competent and, relatedly, not providing adequate means of communication (see this post at Emma’s Hope Book and this post by Ido Kedar).

Of these things, the ABA I was part of included all but the first.

When I was immersed in the field, I didn’t fully realize the ableist mindset underlying so many of the kids’ programs. Other people had been working in the field for years, and they spoke confidently about the teaching methods they used. Parents trusted them; a lot of them were probably told the same things I was. The people I worked with treated me kindly and considerately. I repeatedly heard that it was the only scientific evidence-based practice for Autistic kids and the most effective one, so I trusted the BCBAs who were writing the kids’ programs, and I assumed that there was a good reason for why we did the things we did.

Of course, ignorance isn’t an excuse. Whether I took the time to listen to Autistic people or not, the ABA therapy I did was harmful to those kids. Knowing or not knowing didn’t change that.

It took me a while to fully realize and accept why many Autistic people oppose ABA. I would wake up and go to work, determined to find more reasons why my ABA was good. I would feel happy to see my client and watch my client be happy to see me. I would be with people I admired and respected, hear about some of the kids’ progress, and in those moments, everything I read the previous night would feel like just a bad dream. Then I would go home, continue to look up more about what Autistic people had to say about ABA, and again have to try to convince myself why my ABA was different.

During this time, I tried everything I could to see if there was a way I could do ABA without running into ethical issues, but I repeatedly found that I had to make a choice between doing the ABA and respecting the child.

Withholding rewards was part of the ABA. Making kids talk or sign, even when it was clearly not the best form of communication for them, was part of ABA. Extinguishing stim, coercing eye contact, teaching neurotypical play skills were part of ABA. Forcing compliance was part of ABA. If I didn’t want to do any of those things, it meant not being an ABA Therapist.

When I finally began voicing my doubts to the people I worked with, the most common defense I heard was that ABA is a scientific, evidence-based practice, and that we need to rely on scientific studies more than anecdotal evidence from Autistic people themselves.

But those words really aren’t as impressive as they seem, in many cases of ABA. Yes, the methods used in ABA are “effective,” but only in the sense that a lot of Autistic people who go through ABA come out looking “less Autistic.” That is, an Autistic child is likely to learn to suppress Autistic behaviors by going through ABA that has normalization at its roots. But that doesn’t say anything about how ABA affects an Autistic person’s self-esteem, emotional state, and view of the world. It doesn’t say anything about whether ABA is ethical. If we’re measuring whether ABA helps Autistic people feel safe, accommodated, and accepted in a largely neurotypical world, then it’s very ineffective, according to the overwhelming evidence from the Autistic community.

Here’s an example. If someone beat a child to prevent him from doing something they didn’t like, he would probably stop doing it, and you could then say beating is an “effective” method. They could even take data as part of a scientific study to show you that their child’s behaviors decreased after they started beating him. But obviously, that doesn’t mean anyone should beat a child. That doesn’t mean it’s not abusive when a child is beaten. That doesn’t mean that child will grow up feeling healthy and happy about who he is. Abuse is never okay, and science cannot address the ethics of a method.

It’s even more concerning that ABA was founded by Ivar Lovaas, who bluntly stated that he believed Autistic people weren’t even people. This is an exact quote from him: “You see, you start pretty much from scratch when you work with an autistic child. You have a person in the physical sense—they have hair, a nose and a mouth—but they are not people in the psychological sense. One way to look at the job of helping autistic kids is to see it as a matter of constructing a person. You have the raw materials, but you have to build the person.” Lovaas also used electroshock on kids with Autism.

Of course, very few people in ABA today would outwardly agree with what Lovaas said about Autistic people. Most probably aren’t even aware. But his thinking is still clear in many aspects of ABA – too many behaviorists continue to discount the fact that Autistic people have valid reasons for their way of doing things, even though there is now an entire community of Autistic self-advocates to explain their own experiences.

If your goal is to help a certain community, one of the first things you should do is make sure you’re in touch with the community you’re trying to help. Their voices are more important than anyone else’s. And yet, many ABA programs remain completely disconnected from Autistic people themselves.

Once I realized that nothing was going to change after I expressed my doubts, I finally couldn’t defend myself anymore. ABA was wrong, and I had to get out. I compiled a list of many of the anti-ABA articles I’d read from the Autistic community, emailed it to my supervisors, talked with some of them again about why I was leaving, and then I finally got the hell out.

I’m lucky that I was able to just walk away from it. But there are still far too many Autistic kids who can’t leave, no matter how much they want to.

Kids I care about are still in ABA, 5 days a week for 25-40 hours. And they could easily spend another decade or more of their life there. Many of them will grow up in the field, internalizing the message that they are flawed simply because they were born with a different neurotype. The simple fact is that many Autistic people who went through ABA describe it as being abusive, and some even have post-traumatic stress because of it.

If you work in behaviorism or ABA – if your job has any of the characteristics mentioned above – please take the time to read what Autistic people are saying and really evaluate whether you are helping or harming. Talk to your supervisors or coworkers about what you’ve read from people in the Autistic community. Ask yourself whether you would feel comfortable talking to an Autistic person about your job. I know that it’s daunting, and honestly, it’s not easy. It wasn’t easy for me. But I made it through it, and you can too.

Also remember: this is not about you. This is not about what’s easiest or most comfortable for you, or what’s best for your career. This is about Autistic kids and adults who grow up feeling traumatized and devalued. This is about truly helping Autistic people by making society more safe, accepting, and accommodating of all neurotypes. Make sure you’re fighting for that goal and not against it.

Learn More
 Autistic Hoya: Autism FAQ Page
– Amythest Schaber: What is Autism?
 Ido Kedar: A Challenge to Autism Professionals
 Unstrange Mind: ABA
 Real Social Skills: Nice Lady Therapists
 Amythest Schaber: A Few Words on Compliance Training
 Amythest Schaber: What is Stimming?
 Amythest Schaber: What is Verbal/Vocal Stimming?
 BJForShaw: I Stim, Therefore I Am
 Unstrange Mind: O is for Overloaded, Overstimulated, and Overwhelmed
 Judy Endow: Autism and Eye Contact
 Ink and Daggers: I’m Sorry, but That’s Not Earning Your Token
 Emma’s Hope Book: “Presume Competence” – What Does That Mean, Exactly?
 Amy Sequenzia: My Uncooperative Body
 Emma’s Hope Book: Rethinking Your Beliefs About Autism
 Musings of an Aspie: Decoding the High-Functioning Label
 Amythest Schaber: What About Functioning Labels?
 Julia Bascom: Quiet Hands
 Real Social Skills: A Basic Problem with ABA
 Real Social Skills: Restraint is Violent
– We Are Like Your Child: A Checklist for Identifying Sources of Aggression
– Emma’s Hope Book: Tackling That Troublesome Issue of ABA and Ethics
 Amythest Schaber: A Note to (What Feels Like) Every ABA Therapist Ever
 Ink and Daggers: Dear “Good Behaviorists”
 Real Social Skills: If You Want Me to Believe You’re a Good Behaviorist
– Unstrange Mind: What Does Helpful vs. Harmful Therapy Look Like?

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873 thoughts on “Why I Left ABA

    1. This is exactly my struggle right now. I very much would love to get a masters degree in special education, but I’m terrified at the politics involved and what may be forced as part of a child’s behavior plan. I can not agree with most of the common treatments right now and I probably wouldn’t have a job for long, yet, the other part of me wonders what I can do to help change the status quo. Why do we place so much importance on stopping behaviors that are not directly harmful to anyone? I don’t know…it’s why I may be leaning more toward the MS is Social Work.

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      1. Alice,

        Maybe this is an opportunity for you to explore other methodologies, for example, TEACH and SCERTS. Also, not sure of Verbal Behavuor is any less harmful than ABA, but that may be one to consider as well. I live in MA and the Son Rise program is based in the western part of the state and I have heard it to be hugely successful. Bottom line: the kids need effective special ed teachers desperately, and who is to say that ABA has to be what you have to teach them? There may be more professionals out there who question or even dislike ABA, but until schools are presented with a good alternative, they will stick with the old standby. Maybe you can start working with autistic adults to help in this endevor? And then move on to teaching children?

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        1. I completely relate, Alice. Chrispy has some good suggestions. I’m also personally planning on going into speech-language pathology and focusing on augmentative and alternative communication to ensure Autistic people get a form of communication that works best for them. That might be something you want to look into as well. You can even work in schools if you want. I also know occupational therapy is supposed to help with sensory aspects of Autism, but I don’t know much more about it (anyone have good/bad experiences to share?).

          I’ve pretty much accepted that advocacy is going to be a huge part of any field that provides therapy to Autistic people, and I will more than likely bump heads with ABA and behaviorism. The thought of a lifetime of that is draining. But the more we can do it, the more it will diminish. If you can find a good program (or teacher or mentor) in the field that shares similar values and incorporates Autistic people into the conversation, that will help a lot. And I think it will be helpful to find and be part of a community of other professionals who feel the same way – clearly we are out there.

          It is a hard choice, and I completely understand your reservations. Wherever your path leads, I do wish you the best!

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          1. Hi!
            I just read your post and more set of the unearthed feelings I’ve had while providing ABA have been put into words. I just started therapy with a client last week and it kills me to see him forced to do this because I also work with another client doing Son-rise therapy. I am working for a school now and desperately want out but I also want the family to see this post before I go. Do you think I will run into legal problems if I do? I also ran into mistreatment in the school one day when I was shadowing for more training and I still have an opportunity to go back and shadow and hopefully speak to the teachers and kids maybe during circle time where comments from the teacher cause humiliation (i.e. She would talk about them as if they weren’t there or couldn’t hear her) what do you recommend?

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          2. Hi, I recently found your article,, and I recently started as a behavior interventionist in home based and I’m experiencing all these same ideas…if you could shoot me an email and we could talk, id appreciate it alot

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        2. The problem is: dtt is not the whole of aba. In the venn diagram of ABA, dtt fits into the whole, but there is so much more to aba. Verbal behavior, for instance, is ABA. Teacch is based in ABA. Direct instruction is based in ABA.

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          1. I had some therhy based off the son rise that was Better then the aba stuff I also had I had therhy like we’re I go to camp we get behavior charts an you get points for good stuff thst on your chart you don’t lose a token .like in school you could lose a snack break be told to sit on your hands for being to stimmy or aggressive I think safe hands an Useing fidget toys feel better

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          2. There are so many kids I have worked with that would scream all day and engage in SIB. You know what helped get rid of these behaviors? ABA. I don’t know where you worked but where I worked we only use physical restraint if someone is a threat to themselves or others. If a child is throwing a tantrum or scratching and kicking, you are supposed to remove yourself from the area and yeah you are fixing compliance for doing tasks that they need to learn to be independent. Then if they show resistance you give them a break.

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            1. It depends on whether the behavior is for escape or access to tangible. In instances of escape, you have to continue to present the lesson- this usually requires forcing the child to do the task.

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              1. Here straight from yhe horse’s mouth, KathT dhow the abuse inherent in AB Analy$i$. The child is distressed, wants to quit, wants ABA to go away, ABA continues, treats for escape, Very cruel.

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            2. And I know many ABA centers where the kids would scream and engage in SIB and the center only increased those behaviors or caused those behaviors to begin with. ABA does not always “get rid” of those behaviors mainly because most ABA centers have no clue how to increase communication.

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              1. How about you show us the videos, you identify yourself by name and credentials, and stop drinking so much if you’re anything like your ABA peers Darby Barby Doll. And then leave us autistics alone. More and more of your victims are growing up and they are free from you and they are telling true anecdotal reports of abuse and trauma from you control freaks who cannot stay married to these poor dudes who won’t know what hit them until after you control them by withholding rewards on your wedding night and so on and so forth.

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              2. Dave, actually I was defending you and saying that ABA often is the cause of so many of these behaviors because the kids are trying to escape from the horrible intervention being thrown at them.

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              3. Wow, you are also darb and you were defending me? Excuse me, please, I didn’t get that. I would delete, but that’s probably not possible for me to do. Only the web host here can and she’s been awfully silent here for the longest time.

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              4. There are so many issues with your comment that it’s hard to know where to begin. To start, I will say that the quality of ABA therapy varies depending on the BCBA and therapist. That said, anyone who has studied, has been trained, or has worked under a qualified BCBA would be baffled by your comment. To increase a behavior (for those with and without autism), that behavior must be reinforced in some way. An inexperienced therapist may accidentally reinforce inappropriate or maladaptive behavior; however, when using ABA properly…which by the sounds of it, almost nobody who has commented has…inappropriate behaviors are easily observed and not reinforced.

                It is also very important to note that one of the primary principles of ABA is that target behaviors (behaviors that are targeted for change) are never removed. Instead, more adaptive, appropriate behaviors are taught to replace them. For example, if an individual is engaging in SIB and a formal functional analysis has shown that this behavior is maintained by escape, the individual could be taught to request a break or help with the task. The replacement behavior must allow the individual to access whatever the initial behavior was maintained by.

                For someone who is speaking as someone with experience, I am truly alarmed that you are unaware of this very basic principle of ABA. I would encourage you to do your research and learn more about the field.

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            3. I truly cringe when I read about parents like Susan Senator (below) who writes her own blog and is a parent advocate and whose son was placed in an ABA residential facility at around age 17. She is actually trying to convince people here that putting her kid in isolation for behaviors is good treatment. It is not. It is punishment and I guarantee no one really looked at the function of the behavior. Just shove him in the time out closets many of which I have seen in these centers in Massachusetts. Nothing but padded, small rooms. Her son is now an adult and received broken ribs by someone in his day or in his out of home living facility. last year This poor kid!

              from Susan Senator’s blog:

              “Together we thought back to the last time when Nat was like this. It was ten years ago, just before he moved into his school residence. At that time, the school implemented a time-out technique. They would have him go into a small room within the classroom and set the timer for one minute. If he could be calm for one minute, he could come out. If not, he went back in and the timer was reset.

              I’m well aware that this may not be a legal technique anymore, and some judge it as inhumane. I disagree. When done with concern and care, the way Nat’s teachers did it, there is a space created for the person to decompress.”

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            1. Bolderdash gobbledy-gook psycho-babble superiority-complex ABA cow manure! You are speaking to us normal human beings! Speak normal, ABA deviants, control freaks, if you can!

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            2. Have you behavior control freaks done any Functional Assessments to figure out how often you all provoke what you all describe literally as “challenging behaviors of deviant autistics.”

              Who’s the deviant here, you or us? Analyze yourself!

              You are the circus side show freaks you want our parents to call their children, you phony Bologna ABAers! The Board Certified Behavior Analysts, outcast by true professionals who know how to listen. Do you have any idea how you really piss us off? And then you “treat effectively for angry behavior.” Now climb up a tree and act like a nut up there away from us! You heard it. Go away and leave us autistics alone, what we all want you to do!

              Look! Surprise:

              Blog post: “An actually autistic man defines and explains Applied Behavior Analy$i$.” Read it and weep, ABA!

              Then find someone your own size to pick on. Someone else with a pea brain like yours! Big woop! Florida State U.: The big fat ABA institution ain’t exactly Ive League now is it? Nor is Western Michigan ABA chock full of autistic geniuses. Am I right? Like you think we’re not analyzing your drunken Facebook wedding pics!

              https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2016/11/an-actual-autistic-defines-applied.html

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        3. Other alternatives ARE available, but we must be willing to leave behind our belief system that these kids have intellectual disabilities and need repetitious training to overcome their disabilities. This is NOT true. Once I was willing to make a paradigm shift about my understanding of non-verbal/non-reliably verbal autism, I was able to truly see their movement differences and sensory differences and provide helpful supports that allowed my clients to demonstrate their abilities and develop communication. Please visit Optimal Rhythms, Inc at our website or Facebook page to learn how we are teaching others to #rethinkautism. Consider attending our 2016 Rethinking Autism Conference on April 1-2, to kick off Autism Acceptance Month!!

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        4. Mass. —home of the New England Center For Children. What an utterly disgusting place and parents are so stupid to believe this is good for their kids!

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        5. MA. districts will never come around to any other methodology. NECC rules that state. Outdated, useless ABA is the name of the game in MA. Good luck getting much else funded in that state. Your ABA centers, for the most part, are horrible, expensive babysitting.

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        6. I can say that first-hand that the Son-Rise Program has been amazing for my son with autism and our family. It is the most respectful method I have found thus far, by far! I highly recommend the Son-Rise Program through the Autism Treatment Center of America in Sheffield, Massachusetts.

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          1. At first glance, Son-Rise is the complete opposite of ABA as it instead of trying to change behaviors encourages parents to mimic their kids Autistic behaviors in order to communicate with them. It seems to be a Neurodiversity advocates dream. What could be more respectful of who they are and how they were born? It turns out the goal is to “recover” the kid from autism http://www.autismtreatmentcenter.org/autism-education. That is not respectful at all. It implies that there was a nice cute kid until big bad autism came like some doppelganger and took over the kid. It is the oldest con-man and shell game tricks. Pretend you are understanding and sympathetic, offer a “solution” for a large fee. In this case, the “solution” is to exorcize the kid from the daemon autism and get that nice cute typical kid back. But this “exorcism” is not messy like in the movie, it is done under the guise of being respectful.

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            1. I disagree. If you read their books which i have done because i struggle with aba, there are some aba practices and principles that are the positive ones. What sonrise focuses on is allowing rhe child to be who they are and meeting them to gsin trust and using moments of interaction to introduce those ideas. It also has you communicate with them during a form extinction instead of the disrespectful treatment of aba. Do i think it is perfect, no. Have i decided to do the whole program not yet. But i have implemented some aspects and they have had great results. I feel.like i am treating him like a human not a dog. He is responding and talking more.

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              1. As you said there are no perfect treatments, All of the options seem to have serious flaws. So the best or least bad option is choosing the best elements from all the treatments. At this time Autism is considered a “developmental disability” meaning you are born that way and will die that way. Environmental factors can make one present as “more autistic”. Treatments and changing the environment can make one present as “less autistic. Point is there is no known “recovering” from it. It is like saying one can recover from being left-handed or “recover” from being black. So any treatment claiming to “recover” or “cure” Autism raises a red flag for me.

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        7. Hi there,

          I have loved working with children with Autism in the past and am being called to working with the autism community today. However My challenge is in the state of Washington it seems that most organizations want you to be certified in ABA therapy which I was being trained in the summer but realized throughout the trainings that the work did not resonate with me and after reading Ido In Autismland my gut feelings were confirmed. I want to work with children with Autism in a more intuitive, holistic based setting. It seems like some government official decided that everyone needs to be ABA certified now which I don’t agree with. Well, any insight or assistance would be helpful in guiding me to an organization that has different types of therapies than ABA, I think trying to homogenize everyone with a homogenized therapy is not for me. Thank you for your help.

          Warmly,

          Annie Valentine

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          1. Annie,

            Have you received any guidance? I had been looking at ABA as a career field until I stumbled upon this article as well as Ido. I work through a company called Perspectives and my work is more “floortime” focused, which is what I want to do, not ABA. I do not believe in controlling behaviors- but allowing behaviors to flow naturally. I’ve seen in just a few short months how this approach benefits the child I care for. So at this point, I don’t know what to study or how to continue in this career path.

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            1. We have heard some good things about DIR Floortime and Son-Rise. ABA Leaks cannot endorse them, yet, however, because we have not heard from adults who had them as children. Any adult who is now freed from coercive and punishing ABA and from pro-ABA parents agrees. ABA causes PTSD trauma. Since ABA will not discuss these anecdotal evidence self-reports, we conclude that ABA is merely a pseudoscience that masquerades as real science while it points the finger at true supports and calls THEM junk science. Very strange is ABA.

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              1. As someone who uses both ABA and Floortime (as the situation calls for it), I can say that Floortime is till based on tenets of ABA in that the interaction between the adult and what the child is engaging in is still a type of reinforcement. ABA is life. Period.
                AND for the record, since when do I care if Autistic individuals become “traumatized” because attempts were made to help them LIVE. I would rather avoid that, but if it’s necessary, so be it. If it means they actually survive and not die or be institutionalized, so be it. Your out of proportion ego Dave is funny to witness…that’s like saying a child who had an injury was forced to do Physical therapy and is now traumatized by it. Guess he shouldn’t have been forced to try to recover from a disability if it was treatable, huh? Get over yourself and let science save these children. Stop feeling sorry for yourself Dave and spreading misinformation.
                Knowing you, you’ll probably respond to this without addressing anything and just spout some more BS by telling me to stop drinking or some moronic idiocy like that.

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              2. Better than dead is fine and all that but what I have an issue is the attitude of well yeah the solution sucks and we avoid it when we can but it is settled science and if you disagree that is probably a symptom of your disease(I heard the second claim from ABA defenders a few times). There are a whole bunch of debunked things that used to be settled science.

                ABA is life. That is most certainly true for the autistic who has the therapy and the therapist. There are a bunch of things that are not part of life anymore that used to be because people did not take the attitude of “well that’s life”.

                And we are supposed to be the rigid thinking ones.(SMH)

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              3. To Aspie:
                ABA is life as in they are merely principles of the reinforcement of behavior that everyone (including animals btw) is subject too. It’s in action even as we type these responses.
                And I would say that the “SCREW ABA NO MATTER WHAT” attitude that that is found amidst the Autistic Blogosphere is rigidity on a whole other scale, except it’s worse because most of it is based on resentment and the actual spread of misinformation.

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              4. Behaviorism/rewards and punishments are daily life but all rewards and punishments designed to affect behavoir are not ABA. ABA is used on Autistic children and other select populations.

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              5. You’re not making sense. Yes, ABA consists of all rewards and punishments meant to affect a person’s behavior. The practice of engaging Autistic individuals in this ABA THERAPY is done for that purpose. That’s as basic as you can get.
                NOW, whether some of these behaviors are in need of changing, that’s another question. If there are certain behaviors that are not vital to a person’s self-preservation, coherent communication skills, overall survival, or skill/knowledge acquisition that are trying to be changed, that’s the fault of dumbass parents or school personnel who have got their heads up their collective asses and put undue pressure on the therapists to do that, not the fault of a rational and logical science that is concentrated into a therapy.

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              6. Rewards and punishments are common in daily life. That does not make them ABA.

                The ABA industry like any industry needs to cater to the people that are paying them dumbass or not. The people that criticize ABA are not criticizing how ABA should be in a perfect world, they criticize how ABA or what is called ABA is actually practiced. At that is influenced by what many parents want which is often to “cure” their kids so they can have a “normal” life.

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              7. Then start by educating parents. Making a general label claim that ABA is bad just further confuses already distraught parents and makes the Neurodiversity movement seem like a bunch of self-righteous pricks. I agree that nothing is wrong with Autism per se (if it’s not harmful), but an inability to take care of one’s own needs should be corrected at every turn with sensible methods, regardless if it causes trauma or not.
                And please don’t say it’s up to the industry to do that, because it won’t. Sadly, the whole industry is predicated upon pandering to parents. It shouldn’t, but that’s how it is. You’re not going to change that. Rather than sounding like a whiny brat and at times not even making sense like Dave Altieri and Amethyst Schaeber, grow up and be a realist, not a hopeless idealist. If you want to change it, start with the parents and school idiots. That way, ABA will focus on the right thing 100% of the time, rather than just 75% of the time like it currently does (by my estimate of what I’ve seen working in this field for several years). Then, you will actually be in service to Autistic individuals, instead of hurting the cause of Autistics like Amethyst does by claiming people should bend over backwards for any small thing Autistic people do wrong.

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              8. Ed Elric: Using the term “self-righteous pricks” would get you kicked right off the high school debate team. That’s the language of internet trolls. How about you stick to the topic at hand with valid and relevant premises and arguments? Then we can take you seriously. Ok? Are you a BCBA?

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              9. Using terms like abusers and bullies and not citing any logic in your arguments would get you kicked off right the High School team Dave. I suspect you are an Internet Troll with serious untreated Mental Health problems. How about you argue from a logical and sensible of point of view, answer simple questions of how you get kids to do anything without the use of rewards and aversives instead of ducking the questions (because you have no argument I suspect), and then maybe we’ll start taking you seriously instead of the viewing you and, sadly, a good portion of the Neurodiversity movement, Anti-ABA movement as whiny brats.

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              10. ABA is not “life” as you claim, Ed Elric. Nor is it science. We can say that classical Pavlovian and more modern Skinnerean operant conditioning by consequences are, rather, the true phenomenon, if you will. ABA is merely a pseudoscientific cult that punishes its own dissenters and does all it can to censor its opponents. When you cannot do that, you personally attack our characters with invalid argumentation. If I were your debate coach, I would kick you right off the debate team, young man. Why do you attack? Because you lose the debate and concede victory to us. Now ABA is a pseudoscientic system because, rather than deal with the data we have on you, that you provoke counter-aggression, escape, and PTSD-trauma, you all always only point a rosy picture of yourselves. How is that science? It’s nothing more than a cruel perversion of human science, a coercive, highly-punitive set of behavioral models. Do you use ABA on your husband, Ed?

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              11. I don’t have a husband..I’m a straight male with a sexy girlfrend. I don’t know if you think that calling people gay is some sort of insult, but it’s this lack of any cohesive narrative why thankfully people like you are ignored in the overall decision making when it comes to parents getting ABA and government agencies/insurances offering it.
                I don’t know what “DATA” you’re citing, and I don’t care. I’ll say it for the record. I have no qualms with kids getting PTSD if it’s a consequence of a life saving treatment. If that’s your whole argument for letting Autistic children die or be institutionalized, that they might be “traumatized” because you try to teach them, then what a stupid, stupid argument that is. Grow up Dave. Stop thinking in Black and White terms, even though I know you probably can’t help it being such a self-righteous prick.

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        8. Verbal Behavior is ABA. Skinner (the godfather of ABA) introduced it in his book in 1957. It’s a tough read, but I would highly suggest it. Also, you don’t “teach” ABA. ABA principles are utilized in every classroom and in your daily lives more than you can imagine. It isn’t about changing the individual–though I realized that this is something that does unfortunately happen. I would encourage you to do more research to understand what ABA actually is because there seems to be a very fundamental misunderstanding.

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      2. I hate ABA I was negatively affected by it it may be too passive not able to say no to adults and cause me to or not no I could say no or whatever as a child it a very confusing an even now I get upset if someone mad at me .when I got more verble an could tell my parents what was going on somewhat .they try an tell them not to do that or whatever .but it wasn’t even until, now that more I rember .me an my friends reward system an teacher put there hands on you .while telling you not to be aggressive
        or getting in trouble for stuff is confusing but hs I stared feeling like a dog

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        1. Stefanie, I’m so sorry that you had such a horrible experience. That was not right, and the people who treated you that way were wrong. I’m so glad that your parents were able to step in for you. Thanks for adding your perspective to the discussion – I really value your viewpoint. I wish you all the best, and I hope to see your comments again in the future.

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        2. Stefanie, I have notice that my daughter. She is feeling the same as you. She specks but not a lot. She crys when she is told she can’t do what she wants. When first they ask her “okay what do you want to do? ” then they tell her ” okay first you have to do this and that and if you do we can do what you want” know she don’t like her therapists. She have push there toys and other things around her and has tried to kick them out of the house. I think I should stop all this A B A now!

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      3. things are so weird now they made all these pc words or fancy words that make no sense like I use to be a Bolter or runner now they call it eloping the first time I head it stared lmao wth isn’t that when two people sneak off an get married or something .an now they can’t say this is that it crazy .but something’s they did when I was a child would be considered abusive .

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        1. It’s just the behavioral term for it. You can call it whatever you want but if you are working in ABA, people may not take you as seriously if you do not use the terms.

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          1. Google Scholar these typical ABA terms: “Deviant autistic behavior.” “Elopement:” when we walk away from ABA demands. “Escape from ABA demands.” When they force us to sit and we try to get away. Starting age one. “GED .. Graduated Electronic Decelerator of the Rate of Behavior with extremely painful ABA skin shock contingent upon noncompliance, classroom disruption, aggression (what ABA provokes), and self-injury, including popping ones own pimple, google it, what the U.N. calls torture, what all non PBS ABA supports and is complicit with. “Behavior Analysis Certification Board (BACB) of Board Certified Behavior Ananlysts ((BCBAs) extremely “effective” punishers: BACB 4th Edition Task list of job skills and concepts demonstrable necessary to become and continue to be BCBAs: Ten times punishement skills, concepts.” Pinpoint their ten. Google it! Now that ABA wants to use its high falutant terminology here in the best ABA board that is not censored by ABA, as all the pro ABA boards are!

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          2. no I have autism an grew up in it when they say those words now they call it something else .an I ask my friend why they call it this when it really that she say it sounds better idk .i still get help .but just diff from ehen I was a kid

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      4. Stopping behaviors are important cause it distracts them from doing what they are suppose to be learning. It gets in the way. And yes, everyone has to learn to the best of their ability. How can I teach my daughter to write when her hands are flapping? Stop the flapping first, then teach her to hold the pen, then to write. Eye contact….very important. Doesn’t have to make it with everyone, but at least me. It’s a way of seeing if she gets it, or how can she see to pronounce when she’s not look at my mouth? Look at me… Or, shhhh quiet……her humming is stimming, how can she hear what I am saying or asking while humming noises constantly. How is any input going to get into her? She blocks her ears too. How can she hear me to learn if she is blocking her ears constantly? She is allowed to do the stims occasionally, to help her relaxe. Or if she is really stressed they come on hard and strong…then there is no point of even trying, too worked up or tired. Time to find something enjoyable to do. She also,cannot take hours a day of learning. That’s way too much to demand. She can become very aggressive if pushed too much. I also want her to enjoy life. But if I didn’t interrupt her stims no one would want to be around her. I want her to learn to appear as normal as possible. If I didn’t stop her stims she wouldn’t even know the things she learned to enjoy.

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        1. I’m told when I’m stimming or doing my thing I get so into it that I don’t social an forget about other people around I Gus’s true

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              1. George is probably a BCBA who makes zero progress with the kids but makes thousands because stupid parents and school districts think it is the only intervention worthwhile.

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          1. No she isn’t. It’s kind of up to the parents. Some of our clients parents tell us that if their child is stimming just to let it happen if it’s not interfering with their work. Other parents will tell you that its okay to try to stop it. If a child is scripting when you are trying to ask them questions, you have to break that or they will not answer.

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            1. That people expect ABA is up to the parent and not the parent and child is dead wrong and THE cause of all ABA cult wide abuse! Google my highly ethical Cognitive Behavioral “Reward and Consent” decent alternative to cruel and freaky unusual ABA coercion! Those folks who say Mommy is only in charge of autistic child body prove THE ABA flaw!

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        2. Sherry,

          I completely agree with you. I have three kids with autism and we moved to a different country to access ABA services. My non-verbal daughter communicates using an ipad, she can request her favorite foods and activities. She can ask for a break and can verbally answer no when she doesn’t want to do something. She can feed herself, is fully toilet trained, no longer bolts or hurts herself. She toe walked for years and almost had to have surgery due to the damage it caused to her anatomy. We addressed it behaviorally – so yes we blocked her from walking on her toes and taught her to walk properly. Do you think that is cruel? It’s called tough love – it is not the easy way to parent. My other kids now have the skills to make friends and are in school without any supports and one boy no longer qualifies for a diagnosis. I would say they are doing pretty damn fantastic because of ABA.

          You see I am on the other end, I moved heaven and earth so that my kids could have ABA and shake my head and wonder why parents won’t do the work to improve their child’s life. My children’s lives are so much better because of ABA. That being said, there are many people out there saying they are doing ABA (especially schools) when they are not. Bad ABA is bad ABA. Without ABA my daughter would have been locked in her world, smearing her own poop, eating metal objects and her own poop, toe walking, biting her knees until they bled – shall I go on, because I could. ABA is not for everyone (not all parents want to do the work) but don’t you DARE shame fellow parents who are doing what is right for their kids. I don’t shame parents who don’t choose ABA even though I question their decision.

          As far as the patients liking the treatments, I bet most people with addictions (drugs, alcohol, gambling, eating, stimming,etc.) don’t like their treatment plans either. If you don’t see the comparison, the individuals cited in this article said stimming made them feel good and that not stimming caused physical discomfort and pain – sound familiar?

          As for my qualifications – I had three kids diagnosed with autism and all are doing really well. I am working on my Masters degree in ABA and Autism because of the dramatic improvement my children had. I and am a fierce advocate for my kids and I love them beyond measure.

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    2. This article is ridiculously uninformed and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding to what behavior analysis is, stands for and does in terms of teaching skills, shaping behavior and generally affecting people’s lives. From the explanation of “compliance training” to behavior having a “reason”. Anyone who reads this and thinks that they are gaining from the words on the screen is absolutely being misled and skewed away from a truly scientific and evidence-based approach. Absolutely shamful.

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      1. Dimtri – have you spoken, read, or listened to any autistic people who have experienced ABA?

        If not, I ask you to put aside your attachment to ABA and do this, because being instantly on the defensive and not open to the experiences of those that you want to help isn’t what you want.

        Just because YOU practice in a particular way does not mean that ABA is taught or practiced in the same way by others. That’s the problem. There are people out there who have been damaged by ABA. Please be part of the solution and help this change.

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        1. Alex Lowery had ABA home programme and he enjoyed it and said that he liked it better than his school because the ABA team were able to teach him. I personally know some teenagers and adults with Autism and they’ve nothing but great things to say about it. This article is very badly written with zero research done. Lovaas did not “invent” ABA and it’s the science of everyday life. There are rules that we abide by and as a society we shape each other’s behavior all the time. ABA is a natural science and you might want to look into B.F. Skinner because he in fact is the grandfather of Applied Behavior Analysis. There probably are people out there that are giving ABA a bad name. Much the same as a doctor or a nurse or a teacher that are misusing their position and not abiding by rules. The science is not to blame just the same as if a teacher did something wrong you wouldn’t say that education is bad. My so has a ABA home programme and if I thought for one minute that his therapist or BCBA was behaving unethically I would have them booted out and reported. After which they would not be allowed to practice any longer. Just like a teacher or a doctor etc. My son has learned so much and he enjoys his therapy and adores his therapist. ABA has saved my son’s life because he used to run out on to roads and used to try and outsmart me to get out. There’s nothing liked more than eloping and enjoying a good run to no where. This hasn’t happened in a year. His eclectic school had said that he wasn’t ready for toilet training yet an ABA programme taught him. He had a PECS consultant over when he was three and non verbal (yes PECS is based on BF Skinner’s Verbal Behavior and is the science of ABA). He had no speech and no way of communicating except through biting other’s, throwing things and banging his head of things. Four days later he is on phase 4 of PECS and is already speaking one word at a time. Banana, biscuit etc and is using these words while making up his sentence strip and not long after that speaking the whole sentence “I want juice”. No more head banging or any other non functional communication. He knows his whole alphabet, he can read a bit and spell. He learned to dress himself and brush his hair. He has learned to draw and really enjoys it. If I where to list everything he’s learned I’d be here all week. The NHS has written him off as well as his educational psychologist. His school don’t think he can do much. I don’t even blame them. His teacher is lovely but they have no access to this science so they can’t know that he’s capable of more. He isn’t screaming and crying when he’s learning. Each trial lasts for 10 responses (ten tokens) and this is done in 3 minutes and the very most and he enjoys getting the thing that he has worked for. When we give him praise he smiles. If he get’s something wrong we just change the programme around so he does get it. That is the meaning of errorless learning. My son is learning to be independent and isn’t going to end up in an institution where patients do get beaten. This happens because their carers aren’t adequately trained to cope with the demands of the individual and aren’t able to teach them anything. If they were trained in ABA then the patients wouldn’t be locked up and they would be given plenty of stimulation. There’s a story out there, look up Bring Chris Home. You tell me what’s more ethical. One more point, my son has never been put in restraints and I wouldn’t let it happen. I’m a parents and I’m studying the Masters in ABA.

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          1. Thank you for sharing your story. It’s awesome to hear about your son’s achievements! ABA is a term that’s used very broadly, so I fully understand that there are likely forms of it that lack the characteristics described in my post. (What I’ve described definitely exists, though.)

            That said, I would still advise you to read the links I’ve posted here. A lot of kids may make progress through ABA therapy, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s not harmful to them emotionally and psychologically. They may be learning very valid skills, and yet still feel devalued or invalidated for who they are in the process. Just wanted to mention that. But, if you feel confidently that he’s truly enjoying the therapy and that it’s making him feel accepted and accommodated, then that’s great, and I’m happy to hear it.

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            1. There is so much more to ABA than compliance training and DTT. You obviously had an unfortunate experience with an ABA group that did only that and that is a problem. But there are many child-centered ABA interventions.
              Also, most ABA programs don’t employ SLPs, especially SLPs experienced in AAC (given the high per centage of nonverbal kids). We DO know that being minimally verbal does NOT mean they have nothing to say. We can be right there using basic learning science in natural contexts, in child-directed activities, making interactions fun, engaging and communicative.
              I also agree you need to do more research and look at those who have experienced different sides of ABA.
              Like anything it is not all good or all bad. Done right, and with the knowledge we have gained over the recent years, it can be very beneficial.

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              1. I view ABA as a way to facilitate communication, so the autistic person can express their needs. It is recorded so problem behaviors can be avoided before the ever start in the future. Honestly, I think most parents do that with their kids regardless of autism or not. I understand what you are saying in this post, but this can be done respectfully and kindly. It just needs a gentle thoughtful approach.

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              2. However, autistics want only one thing from ABA. What parents want of ABA does not matter. We want you to go away and to leave us alone. Don’t you listen?

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            2. I think whatever works for people they should do it. I worked in special education for several years, autistic children included. I had one that liked to hurt herself. I had to work with her and be a little more stern in my voice with her and that type of structure worked for her. The next year we got a call from another district saying that she was well behaved and no longer doing destructive behavior. That was a fantastic call to get. We all do things we don’t like and knowing special needs kids have very short attention spans and are very sensitive emotionally and don’t do well when their schedules are messed up. I have dealt with meltdowns, been kicked, bitten and yelled at, dealt with destructive students throwing things and been hit. At the end of the day we create goals and plans that benefit that student particularly. It we worry about their sensibilities all the time they won’t learn and they won’t improve. We have to push them past their comfort zones at time. They have to learn social skills at some point in their life or they won’t survive in this world. We are trying to help them be as independent as necessary. Autistic kids are not incapable of doing things for themselves but trying to get rid of destructive behaviors is necessary. I also have a Master’s in Child Development. Kids are much more resilient than what we give them credit for. Yes there are some things that we have as kids as dealing with negative experiences but that is almost all children. No life is perfect and we will deal with sadness, anger but I don’t believe ABA borders on abuse. If that were the case it wouldn’t be around. Now that doesn’t mean there isn’t individuals out there that don’t probably misuse their knowledge or just don’t have adequate training. We can chalk it up to many things but at the end of the day we all have to come to our on conclusions on things.

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          2. PECS is severely limited and there are much better approaches to supporting communication. Kids with limited expressive communication need access to core vocabulary; mastering requesting-based systems should not be treated as a prerequisite. The fact that ABA is so pervasive and ABA therapists usually believe strongly in the importance of PECS is actually a major barrier to children accessing appropriate communication support.

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            1. PECS is not a request based system, it is a full communication system that incorporates all parts of speech. If it is being used for requesting only, then it is being misused.

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              1. PECS is so old school. Parents!…. wake up, get away from ABA and PECS and look into RPM. The ABA industry and too many bad SLP’s are making so much money off of ineffective and damaging therapy. RPM is a wonderful communication tool and a better means of actually educating the kids.

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          3. Gabriel’s Mummy, I’m currently working on a piece of software meant to improve ABA/ Autism therapy. I tend to agree with you, but I also suspect that there’s something wrong with some ABA practitioners – we’re looking to give everyone involved a voice, so that parents, children and therapists can actually do good. Would you be willing to hop on a skype call with me?

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          4. “The NHS has written him off as well as his educational psychologist.”

            That is extremely discouraging and disgusting. I’m more than disappointed that they did that.

            I’m glad that using a science-based approach is helping with your lad’s development and learning. I’m sure there’s be detractors who’ll claim that you’re lying. Many of them will themselves be autistic. Well – I’m autistic, and was told that ABA was the work of the devil,. etc, until I was doing my master’s in educational psychology. Then I found out that my own kind had actually lied to me and mislead me … I cannot forgive that sort of thing.

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        2. Patricia, I am a BACA who has worked with several individuals with ABA who have had wonderful experiences. In fact, at my current company, there is an adult with Autism who had such a positive experience with his ABA therapy that he is now volunteering with the company. He is also going to college to be a teacher, and happy with his life. He now has the skills necessary to pursue his dreams due to the ABA training he received.
          I guarantee that there are people who are practicing ABA incorrectly out there, or that are using the principles and techniques of ABA in an unethical manner, but that does not represent ABA. It can be compared to religions such as Islam or Christianity, where there are people of that religion who harm others in the name of the religion, who do not accurately represent the ideologies of the religion. The points in this article are important, and anyone who works with individuals with disabilities should be mindful of them. There are people who treat individuals with disabilities poorly in every field; speech pathologists, special education teachers, psychologists, doctors, etc…
          I don’t disagree on the points of this article, I disagree with the anti-ABA stance of the article. It is indeed an ignorant and biased stance.

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          1. Jeff, that’s awesome that there’s an Autistic person volunteering at the ABA therapy place you work! I’m happy to hear that, and that’s definitely a good sign.

            Again, I didn’t receive training on the ethical code for behavior analysts. I’m going to say that upfront. However, I’ve reviewed the ethical standards on the BACB website (http://www.bacb.com/index.php?page=57 and http://www.bacb.com/Downloadfiles/BACB_Compliance_Code.pdf) and I don’t see how anything I’ve described is a violation of those standards. Even aversives (I know some places use taste aversion sprays) are allowed under the standards as a last resort. If I’ve missed anything, though, please let me know because I’d definitely be interested to hear if there were ethical violations in any of those procedures. It would be easy if it was just a matter of a few “rogue” practitioners that are defying the ethical standards, but I just don’t think that’s the case. Some behavioral therapy places are still using electroshock (look up the Judge Rotenberg Center).

            I’ve said this so many times and in the post itself: there may be forms of ABA therapy that are less problematic than what I’ve described here. I still believe that everybody working in the field of behaviorism and ABA as a whole needs to read about these experiences that Autistic people have had to ensure that their therapy is not part of the problem. Even the people I worked with considered their own ABA therapy to be good. Please do take the time to read the links in this post.

            I understand that you disagree with the overall anti-ABA stance that you feel this post represents. I already acknowledged in my post that my experience of ABA therapy may not be everyone’s (see the beginning of the post). Also, there have been conversations about whether behavioral therapy is ever a good idea for Autistic kids. Some people don’t think it is; that’s a view that exists, and I can certainly understand it. I just know I’m definitely against any therapies that have any of these characteristics.

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            1. It sounds like either the author made no effort to learn and grow in the field of ABA, or simply worked for a terrible organization. There are so many “red flags” regarding the authors outlook on the science, starting with the terminology. You don’t “do” ABA, since it isn’t a method of teaching, and there are not many forms of ABA. It is simply a set of principles that we are all affected by. It is not a way to teach, but a set of scientific principle to be used for good or bad. If there are children with autism who grew up to despise ABA therapy, then it means that you were implementing the principles incorrectly and without regard for them as individuals.

              You have no right spewing this sort of opinion, when there are families who are looking for evidence-based therapy, but are being pulled in different directions. It is hard enough for them to filter through the garbage “therapies” out there. Shame on you for feeling that you could publish your skewed opinion for hopeful families to read. Autistic people, really? Being that you do not use people-first language makes me have serious doubts that you were ever a therapist.

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              1. Joel, do you know of any blogs or writings from these folks who had great experiences with ABA? I have been trying to find such resources and am not convinced that any exist. I am concerned that those who “sing the praises of ABA” are primarily those with a financial stake in ensuring it’s continued existence. Sometimes we hear from parents, but I want to hear from the [now grown] children themselves. Thank you.

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              2. Autistic person here. The vast majority of autistic people hate person-first language. The fact that therapists view autistic as an insult and autism as something to be distanced from is exactly why they can justify ABA to themselves.

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              3. Wow, in response to Joel’s comment. Steph has every right to express her own heart-felt concern and opinions on her own blog! The fact that you are #1) attempting to shame someone into silence for #2) expressing their sincerely held values and concerns #3) on potential negative impact to children reflects on you, not her. I am a practicing mental health therapist myself, though not a child specialist, who came here seeking divergent viewpoints and information in researching ABA for a family member who had a very poor first initial experience with ABA for my young nephew on the mild end of the autism spectrum. I also find it disrespectful and alarming that you advocate against parents having the benefit of all of information at their disposal, both the positive and negative, to help them in making an informed decision about such an important matter, especially in consideration of the investment of time, energy and money that it represents, on top of their child’s well-being at stake in the matter. It seems judgmental and condescending to “spew” the assumption that parents are lost, desperate, brainless ninnies who can’t weigh different perspectives, opinions, and information and make their own decisions for their kids and can’t handle a dissenting voice. Being in the field for over 20 years, I know from experience that there is a wide spectrum within the mental health profession of competence, integrity, motivation for $$$ over client welfare, lots Kool-Aid to drink, and many bandwagons to jump on, just like in any other profession. Speaking out about ethical concerns is part and parcel of the ethical code for most mental health licenses, I am confident, and it take courage and strength to speak up one’s dissent when floating in a sea of Kool-Aid. Therapists get halos placed on their heads by the public for simply being in this field, completely undeserved most of the time, so it behooves mental health professionals to be even more circumspect and cautious in their claims and recommendations with such easily-place trust by the public, and Steph done that be explaining this is her experience and acknowledging significant variations within the arena of ABA practice. FYI: “Evidence-based” often doesn’t mean as much as people imagine, hope, or need it to–if one knows how to read research studies and many times can see the holes, limitations, bias, very small sample sizes, and low level of statistical significance, the findings in the social sciences are often not so robust or impressive, and are often not easily replicable, and the publishing bias favoring successful studies compounds the problem. I hope you are not a mental health professional or ABA practitioner, as that would be a very poor reflection on the profession and ABA if that is the case.

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              4. What you point out, so well, Donna Rose, is that ABA is a cult that uses its so-called “aversion therapy” on its critics and its whistleblowers. ABA also is pseudoscience. No science only paints a rosy picture of itself. ABA is also probably a mass-scale taxpayer insurance conspiracy to defraud. It refuses to examine the “effective data” about THEM. They will not even discuss the fact that the actually autistic community has thoroughly blogged about the PTSD-traumas they cause us.

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        3. We’ve been doing ABA with my daughter for about two months now. She is all excited when they arrive. If she does not want to do something they do not force her, they respect her right to say no. Their biggest objective is to teach her the building blocks of language, and I have watched my daughter blossom in so many ways since we’ve started. I remember early conversations about ABA, and the one statement that stands out in my head was this, “There is good ABA, and there is bad ABA.” From the start of ABA I let them know that things like scripting, eye contact, or other stims were OK, and that I did not want them forcing her to stop doing these things, nor did I want them to take away her individuality. I asked them what their goals are, and what are their methods. It is up to us to find the right fit for our own children, one that will be a positive experience for them. For us, ABA is merely providing my daughter with a set of tools to cope with situations she will experience in life, not a way of changing her as a person. I tell my daughter every day how proud I am of her, how perfect she is, and I ask her never to change. Autism is part of who she is, and it makes her the unique, intelligent, creative, and beautiful girl that we love.

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        4. some who work in the Feld don’t understand that not everyone dose things the same way some are very good an understanding an some don’t understand at all I was affected badly by some of the stuff done at one school I went to .an it took along time to get over it .also it very rude to not listen to us with autism who can tell you what is bad or not .i hate when other think they no what best .or talk to us like we are dumb don’t be condescending treat us like you like to be treated rember everyone is one accident away from being disabled I can talk now about what it like .but sometimes it hard for those to listen as my autism make me seem like I’m not as hf as I am

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      2. I also want to add that most people working in ABA may not use the term “compliance training” (although in my experience, there was a lot of talk of “gaining compliance”), but that doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

        Frankly, I find it disturbing if you’re denying that behaviors have a reason. Every behavior has a reason behind it.

        I’ve already written about why saying ABA is evidence-based and scientific does not mean it’s inherently ethical and helpful to Autistic people.

        Please read what Autistic people are saying to make sure your therapy (if you’re involved in any) is not part of the problem.

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        1. I think you mean, every behavior has a function. It goes to show that you have no experience of ABA at all. I doubt that you were ever a therapist.

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          1. What’s the difference between saying “every behavior has a function” and “every behavior has a reason”? If a child is screaming because he wants a cookie, the function of the screaming is to obtain a cookie, and the reason for the screaming is that he wants a cookie. Is a function not a reason?

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            1. ” If a child is screaming because he wants a cookie, the function of the screaming is to obtain a cookie, and the reason for the screaming is that he wants a cookie. Is a function not a reason?”

              No. The two are different.

              There’s a cookie. Kid wants it.
              Wanting the cookie is the reason to do something.
              Getting the cookie is the function of the thing that the kid does.

              This really is simple.

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              1. The function becomes screaming when people don’t recognize that the competent child needs a reliable means of communication, yet has apraxia and is unable to motor plan typical ways of saying or doing. Unfortunately, with ABA, the focus then becomes compliance training, teaching the child it is not okay to have an opinion or a want unless the person in authority over them gives them permission, and then it must be communicated in the way that works for the adult in authority, regardless of how it works for the child. You are right! It really is quite simple.

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              2. “Unfortunately, with ABA, the focus then becomes compliance training, teaching the child it is not okay to have an opinion or a want unless the person in authority over them gives them permission, and then it must be communicated in the way that works for the adult in authority, regardless of how it works for the child.”

                Absolute fucking bullshit.

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              3. “I didn’t receive training on the ethical code for behavior analysts. I’m going to say that upfront.”

                How on Earth would that be even possible if you were doing any properly organised training? Was your training being provided by BCBAs? If so – the training would automatically include ethics matters from the started, since all BCBA training and assessment deals with practices in the context of the BACB Professional Disciplinary and Ethical Standards and Guidelines for Responsible Conduct for Behavior Analysts. For the exam, all ethical considerations topics are dealt with as part of the assessment process as it examines topics to which the ethical standards apply, rather than lumping them in at the end as a disconnected body of questions.

                Click to access BACB_Fourth_Edition_Task_List.pdf

                If you did not receive that training in ethics, then either of two things are true here. One is that you were not being trained by appropriately qualified people. The other is that you were actually not being trained at all.

                I checked with IBCCES about their training/certification things for ethics for Certified Autism Specialists. I found their code of ethics:
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                5. Client Rights and Autonomy

                1- The individual student or client’s rights and dignity come first. Members will encourage an appropriate level of independence for the students and/or clients.
                2- Members will provide the most appropriate treatment or care for the individual.
                3- Members will maintain the confidentiality and privacy of the individual entrusted to their care, as further defined by legal and professional standards.
                4- Members will apply the principles of Primum non nocere, which means, “First, do no harm.” Crisis Intervention Specialists will not provide any type of therapy, treatment, or strategy outside the scope of their training and licensure.
                5- Members will respect the autonomy of the individual in allowing an appropriate level of self-determination. Individual clients and/or students shall have the right to participate in decisions regarding their treatment and care.
                6- Any treatment or therapy will be based on best practice for the individual’s particular needs.
                7- Members will not engage in any type of harassment or abuse of an individual. Any observed or suspicion of harassment or abuse will be reported to appropriate authorities.

                6. Community and Global Responsibility

                1- Members strive to educate others in their community regarding the most appropriate strategies for special needs.
                2 Members share best practices with other professionals in order to increase the standard of care for all.
                3- Members do not permit the mistreatment of any individual student and/or client. Any observed mistreatment is reported to appropriate supervisors and/or authorities.
                4- Members will advocate for the inclusion of individuals with special needs in the community. Inclusion in an educational or treatment setting will be considered in the least restrictive setting possible for the particular individual’s needs.
                5- Members stay current in their training and knowledge, in order to provide the best possible care and treatment.
                6- Members will notify IBCCES if they observe any violation of the Code of Ethics.
                —–
                People have to already be doing this in order to get their third-party certification.

                So, if you were not being given ANY training on the BACB ethical standards and guidelines for responsible conduct, what the hell was that training programme that you were on?

                You mention witnessing abuse. If you were on a proper training programme, why did you not report it? The BACB’s ethical standards require that you do.
                http://bacb.com/ethics/

                You’re not exactly making your account of things believable here.

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              4. I believe the account. I see a complete disregard for ethics in the field despite lessons intended to help their horrible reputation on dual consent which are completely ignored. The new ethics code gives mere lip service to ethics. This Fourth Edition Task list contains exactly ten elements which a behavior analysis must know with various permutations of the word “punishment.” It seems they should be punished first if anyone is to be punished. The profession is empathy-disabled since the feelings of the other persons are officially in ABA disregarded as unobservable and not therefore data.

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              5. For some reason, the comment I made in response to the blog article author’s comment on not having had ethics training ended up in this chain. Yeh – go, WordPress.

                Casey:
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                The function becomes screaming when people don’t recognize that the competent child needs a reliable means of communication, yet has apraxia and is unable to motor plan typical ways of saying or doing. Unfortunately, with ABA, the focus then becomes compliance training, teaching the child it is not okay to have an opinion or a want unless the person in authority over them gives them permission, and then it must be communicated in the way that works for the adult in authority, regardless of how it works for the child. You are right! It really is quite simple.
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                What on Earth are you talking about? ‘The function becomes screaming ….’ That makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever.

                “… yet has apraxia and is unable to motor plan typical ways of saying or doing” … Well, I’m dyspraxic, and have issues with planned motor action. Your point is… what, exactly?

                “Unfortunately, with ABA, the focus then becomes compliance training, teaching the child it is not okay to have an opinion or a want unless the person in authority over them gives them permission, and then it must be communicated in the way that works for the adult in authority, regardless of how it works for the child.”

                And your evidence for this is … what exactly?

                You cannot just expect that to be taken at face value. Make a claim? Back it up!

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      3. do you have autism .who is it good for use or the people around use .i had other therapies that help me with behaviors an stuff didn’t make me feel the way ABA did .everyone thinks it good but U.S. getting it .maybe done it works .but not for all .i had behavior proublems .but you should listen to us to .when I told or show my spl person how it felt to be me she didn’t like it

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    3. “Autistic kids are repeatedly forced to do things that are unnatural, uninteresting, or even painful to them… and all with smiles and upbeat attitudes from the therapists demanding it. The kids may cry. They may try to escape. They may refuse. But they must do it, because we have decided it is good for them.”

      You position this as child abuse when it sounds a lot like mainstream school to me. By extrapolation, are you suggesting we should let all our kids run amok in the name of your naive misrepresentation of ethics?

      This article is self indulgent piffle and could actually cause real harm if it serves to deny even one autisitc child access to a therapy proven to improve quality of life.

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      1. I think you’re replying to me by accident. That said, if “mainstream school” caused my child pain, made them cry or try to escape on a regular basis, I would pull them out of school. If you read the links, you will see that the treatment referred to is NOT “typical”, and if it were imposed on “neurotypical” children, parents would be up in arms.

        So PLEASE read the links. “REAL harm” has been caused TO autistic people.

        If you are a parent who has had good experiences, if your child does not fear their ABA provider, if you are an ABA provider that is loved by your clients, this article is not about you.

        That in no way negates the issues presented, and the pain experienced by others.

        Just because it hasn’t happened TO you or those you care about, or hasn’t been done BY you, does not mean hasn’t happened/is not happened, or hasn’t been done.

        The good ones, the ones who care, the lucky parents, need to STAND UP for those who have not been so lucky, and make changes whenever possible so that ALL autistic children have access to care that DOES care. Because it’s not always the case, even if you personally haven’t had the experience.

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        1. Apologies for replying to you by accident – you’re right about that.

          My point is that if a neurotypical child throws a tantrum at school because he doesn’t want to do math but is forced to by the teacher, then nobody would relate that to child abuse as the author of the article does when the exact same situation occurs in teaching a child with autism.

          You express some balance in your response, Patricia, that is not so evident to me in the article, so my criticism is not aimed at you. But it is frustrating that what the author and so many of the commentors (on both sides of the argument) seem to have missed is that ABA doesn’t claim to improve QoL for all children with autism. The science I have read is very clear on that – there is a subset for whom it is effective. So even in a perfect world, where all ABA praitioners are doing a great job there will be children who do not benefit. However, for those children that do benefit the results can be staggering… and those children should not be denied the intervention.

          I appear to be one of the lucky parents you mention in that my little boy has progressed dramatically with ABA and yet we still don’t know what the future holds for him and we still worry day and night about that… so, of course, my heart goes out to any parent whose child has not responded to the intervention. But my concern is that there is no alternative intervention with such a body of scientific evidence to support its use and, meanwhile, anecdotal horror stories might put parents off even trying it.

          Let me flip your comments around Patricia, if I may, and say that just because ABA success hasn’t happened to you or those you care about does not mean that isn’t real either.

          Science has no agenda but for the truth… it relies on statistically validated evidence, not anecdote… and it concludes that ABA is effective for a subset of autistic children. That is fact and nothing anybody posts on here can trump that.

          I’d encourage any parent reading this and weighing up their options to try ABA first – you might be one of the lucky parents too.

          With sincere best wishes to you and your loved ones, Patricia.

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          1. Considering the same behavioral principles have been demonstrated time and time again in both human and non-human animals, I’m not sure why people take such umbrage with “being treated like dogs, rats,” etc. We are all (all living organisms) sensitive to reinforcement, punishment, and extinction. Also, please read Baby in a Box from Ladies Home Journal by Skinner and tell me if that infant sounded comfortable, clean, healthy, and well cared for, then re-assess your complaints.

            Additionally, how would all of you detractors recommend teaching children with autism how to communicate their feelings about their therapies? I’d love to get the opinions of the kids I’ve worked with, more than anything I’d love for them to be able to express their private, internal experiencing of the world. However, most of the kids with autism I’ve worked with cannot simply express when something hurts or when they’re tired (though we are trying multiple methods), so I don’t think they’re at a point where we can get their verbal input on therapy. However, we can and do observe their behavior to see what they seem to prefer, to make things that seem harder or less interesting a bit easier and more interesting, and to work towards independence with self care, communication, academic, community, vocational skills, etc. When a child engages in a “challenging behavior” (something that possibly hurts himself or someone else or is extremely disruptive), we look at the possible functions or “reasons” for the behavior and ways to help the child communicate safely and effectively whatever he was trying to communicate through his behavior.

            Also, have you ever removed something your child/student liked to do following some sort of inappropriate behavior? For example, if your child was unkind to his sibling, might you tell him he can’t play on his iPad for the next hour? If, following this consequence (and perhaps a few more similar opportunities to provide this consequence), you see a decrease in his unkindness toward his sister, THIS IS PUNISHMENT. If a class of students earns marbles toward a special treat but loses marbles following instances of talking out, not finishing their work, etc., and you see a decrease in those behaviors following the removal of marbles, THIS IS PUNISHMENT. Not all punishers involve aversive stimulation in the form of shocks or bad tastes, they can be as simple as removing a preferred item. Most ABA practitioners are ashamed of the JRC and would never want to be associated with the FORM of punishment used with some children there. With regards to time out rooms and physical restraints, it is typically very specific as to when those can be used, and they’re only used when a child is presenting a danger to himself or others. Does it protect a child’s safety and dignity to let him hit himself over and over? Does it help families to let the mom get her hair pulled and her face scratched? Or might it be better to protect the child and family until the child has calmed down, then review the incident afterwards to identify skills to teach the child or ways to avoid the situation in the future? Again, certainly there are still inappropriate uses of TO rooms and restraints, but if done correctly with a high level of training, oversight from medical and clinical teams, consent from families, etc., it doesn’t have to be this heinous occurrence.

            Finally, thank you to whoever posted about whether you’d allow a neurotypical child cry and get out of math class. Sure, there are certain scenarios, certain classes or skills or locations, that may not be very important for a child to contact or to be able to tolerate, but there are MANY scenarios that a person will have to tolerate. If a child, for example, cannot tolerate wearing clothes, he’s going to be pretty limited in where he can go and what he can do. If, for another example, he does not tolerate dental checkups, or doesn’t learn to brush his teeth because he doesn’t like how it feels, he’s likely to be in much more pain later on. Are these choices we let any child make for himself? Or do we get our kids into clothes every morning and get through tooth brushing at least once or twice a day? I’m assuming the latter. We can’t always just do what we want to do. In life some things are uncomfortable or downright aversive, but sometimes we need to tolerate those things for the good of ourselves or our families. I understand that some of those things might be even more aversive or perhaps painful to someone with autism/to an autistic person, and their voices certainly need to be part of the conversation so that therapists, families, doctors, etc. can better understand and help them with those sensitivities. However, the opinions and experiences of autistic people should not be the end-all-be-all of how we treat newly diagnosed children with autism. I certainly wouldn’t go ask a former cancer patient what they think the best course of treatment would be for me just because they had the same kind of cancer, I’d want a team of doctors (who either have or more likely have not experienced that type of cancer) with experience treating hundreds of cancer patients to provide me with the best evidence-based treatment options for returning to health, and I’d probably also solicit the experiences of people who’ve gone through the treatment to understand what I might experience as well. Now, I fully recognize that autism is not something to be cured like cancer, but the parts of autism that are associated with the aforementioned examples of difficulties do necessitate some form of treatment. Why not treat those things as best we can?

            Alright interwebs, bring on the trolls if you must.

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    4. Hi folks..Ive worked with the whole spectrum of behaviours over the last 40 years. My background is orthodox behaviourism and I trained in 1982 at the Bethlem Royal & Maudsley hospital, London. Oh dear..much disinginuity..Well aware of Lovaas, I lived through the ABA 80’s revolution here in the UK espoused mainly by Gary Lavigna and Tom Willis from Lovaas heartland UCLA. Right, I am not an ABA advocate but I acknowledge the objective approach it takes to understanding the ‘function’ of behaviours..i.e.why they do this stuff? By 1987 my style had grown into promoting ‘well being’..happiness if you like..what the xxxx does it matter whether your stereotypies reduced by 10% over six months..did it make you happy or give you anything useful? Although not a borne again ABA disciple I must just defend it for the sake of truth as far as my experience of it goes and having attended a lot of training over the years including a trip to UCLA in 2000. It isnt about forcing anyone to do anything. In Lovaas’s day the culture of electro shock was commonly discussed in research literature and some places did it. No one would advocate now not even Lovaas. Punishment to reduce challenging behaviour used to be far far more prevalent in the days of ‘behaviour modification’ than now and I remember being expected to use a ‘time out cubicle’ designed by a senior clinical psychologist in 1982. We told him where to put his cubicle and dumped it in the refuse skip. Hint: keep it simple..keep the jargon to a minimum..the behavioural approach can be glorious in its simplicity but easily confused by clever language. Kids with autism are kids with the same rights as anyone..fact. We are not here to damage those rights..fact. Where learning is involved it can either be intellectual or skills or both. No two kids with ASD are the same. The hand flapping thing I wouldn’t get too hung up on. The main problem is that they kind-of don’t follow the same behaviour rules. They’re often in they own heads and looking out like they’re seeing the world through a car windscreen. They can be a little unpredictable..can get upset and sometimes its not clear why. Sometimes it can be serious especially if that’s how they’ve learned to get what they want or avoid what they don’t want. Outbursts ..temper tantrums when encouraged to do something or encouraged not to do something..or finding their routine has been changed. What to do…restraint? ..bad..but what if they’re biting they’re arm whilst hitting Gary Lavigna on the head? Do we step in? Well I think lawyers might make a case out of our inaction and Gary Lavigna could get even richer. So yes..its bad but sometimes a necessary evil. ABA thinks about ‘consequences’..i.e. whats the best response when they try to hit Gary? (send Gary back to UCLA). we work out and agree the best response..so OK every time Jimi does this..then we’re going to do that. The nearest we get to ‘punishment’ these days is to ignore the stuff we used to punish..so if the kid is ‘stimming’ we ignore it..focus on something groovy that’s better and maybe involves his hands so he cannot stim and might connect grooviness without stimming. Attached to ignoring problem behaviours is encouraging other ‘applied’ behaviours that are again more groovy..the best being a groovy general programme where the last thing Jimi wants to do is kick off because by doing the groovy stuff he knows he’s going to be allowed to play his guitar but only if he wears his headphones because he plays so loudly! The only little issue is that its always ‘Hey Joe..Hey Joe’ for the whole period and he can kick off when its time to stop. But he’s learned that grooviness continues even after playing his guitar and that he’ll be back on it like he always is..so why kick off? They gave the simple approach a ridiculous name to make us sound clever..”differential reinforcement of other behavior” (DRO) or common sense….or for the really clever..”differential reinforcement of incompatible behaviours” (DRI) (like playing Hey Joe) i.e. common sense.

      Woody Allan type behaviour joke: “I read the complete works of BF Skinner in two days. Its about pigeons”. Goodnight x

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      1. LaVigna led the break off of Positive Behavior Support from ABA. PBS rules out punitive techniques as unnecessary and therefore unethical. There is a wall of separation. ABA is addicted to punishment. PBS is not. Insurance covers ABA, not PBS. So PBS people misrepresent themselves and say they do ABA. Both are coercive as they disregard the dissent of child. In practice, despite its theoretical denials that it punishes, PBS does punish as it ostracices children from class trips and when only the so called normal children get the treats and prizes. Theyboth treat us like dogs, rats, and pigeons in the Skinner Box, where he raised his baby, BFSkiner, ABA pop of the pops.

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        1. I like it because it positives if I couldn’t do something or I didn’t like something .the ot would try something else an say it was good I told her I couldn’t handle that one thng it did help my language get better among other things .i have sever sencorey iusse so I now know how to mange it but sometime it get me an can have a meltdown if to much going on .or I use up my points by end of the day

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    5. wow wow wow… you got me here. I am on the ground almost about to cry! thank you so much for this. I actually am getting my MS in Special Education right now. I have been a “therapist” for a while. thought it would be a good start before I get my credential. my heart sinks! I already have been looking for another job before I read this. I read some about this but this resource is great I’ll be coming here often just to read through this info. There is one little girl that sticks out in my mind. She just bends to the will of her therapists knowing that they will “follow through” anyway. My Masters program has done a horrible job at introducing us to these concepts of different “treatments.” I am going to let them know about that.

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      1. Hi Samanthaeh10 :) Come visit autistikids.com (Especially check out the “Presume Competence” section.
        ) – lots of links to autistic bloggers. You can often ask questions on their sites. You never know what direction they might inspire you in. Feel free to ping me at autistikids@gmail.com and I’ll see if I can find some other info for you. With your open heart and mind, you will be a BUTT kicking special-ed teacher.

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    6. I am a parent of a child with autism and ABA DOES WORK when it is done the right way and the person know what they are doing. You also have to be train by someone who knows what they are doing also.

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      1. Everyone will raise their children how they see fit but my son is 17 and after speaking to him now he can explain better and from what I read here I wouldn’t choose it. For the reason that it might stop/change the behaviour but how do you know stopping the behaviour is not causing them huge stress unless they are old enough to tell you so. My son does behaviours for reasons – to alleviate stress or to avoid foods because they look horrible or smell horrible but if it works and your child is happy then that’s ok for you.

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    7. As an ABA therapist with extensive training in trauma therapy and counseling, I feel it is critical to know MORE than one discipline. When I supervise others, I inject the fact that, although some of these children are non-verbal, we need to MAKE SURE that how we approach and reward them, reflects a therapeutic approach synonymous with building self-esteem. I think that IF someone is ONLY trained in ABA, they may not get this in their training. This is why I opted to go for ABA training and certification AFTER getting my MS in Clinical Counseling. There are ‘good and bad’ in every profession, and the value of ABA cannot be negated as a system of learning.

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      1. People have to make an informed choice and I’m not knocking your training but personally I wouldn’t do it for my child. Even non verbal will mature and talk eventually. But that’s just my biased feelings. But my son is now 17 and much better. Maturity helps so much.

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        1. You’re completely clueless. Non verbal autistics do not mature and “talk eventually.” It takes a lot more intervention than just waiting for them to “talk eventually” and many never talk. Such ignorance on your part.

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          1. I am on a autism forum with several members who did not speak until they were age 5-9. Non-verbal does not mean non intellegent and non usefull. This is 2017. We have text to speech apps. Carly Fleischmann’s autism is clearly not mild but she is quite capable of conducting a funny interview with the actor Channig Tatum https://youtu.be/a34qMg0aF6w.

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          2. This was a typical ABA ad hominem character assassination, which is what they do when they cannot win a debate. In other words, ABA’s ultimate method of behavior control is to punish those whom they constantly misjudge improperly and inappropriately.

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      2. Beth. I don’t believe you. You say you do ABA and you specialize in trauma? What is your name and your credential? ABA knows zilch about the trauma you cause! Where is your professional statement against ABA extremely painful electric skin shock? The U.N. calls you supporters of skin shock torturers! You don’t have one. I guarantee it! Put your money where your mouth is and publish one, or else shut up and listen to us autistics speaking. We hate your ABA. Go away and leave us alone, you profiteers!

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      3. Beth. I don’t believe you… You say you do ABA and you specialize in trauma? What is your name and your credential? ABA knows zilch about the trauma you cause! Where is your professional statement against ABA extremely painful electric skin shock? The U.N. calls you supporters of skin shock torturers! You don’t have one. I guarantee it! Put your money where your mouth is and publish one, or else shut up and listen to us autistics speaking. We hate your ABA. Go away and leave us alone, you profiteers!

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    8. I find it very sad that you have had such a negative experience with ABA in your journey on your career path. I want you to know that your bulleted list of concerns are all considered unethical in the field of psychology according to the APA Code of Ethics and are potential grounds for your BCBA to lose her license. I truly feel sad that you had to experience some of these dangerous techniques and feel for the individuals who suffered at the hands of illegitimate behaviorist.

      Withholding food and drink is illegal and NONE of the harmful techniques listed would be even close to considered in my clinic. I feel that your individual experience is valid, but you are giving ABA a bad rap without understanding the positives it gives to other. YES some people were upset and treated unfairly, but this is a field in which regulation and guidelines exist for a reason and BCBA’s are held accountable. Unlike many other programs that work with individuals who have needs.

      They must work accordingly with Behavior Analyst Certification Board (BACB) and if they do not follow the code of ethics, they will quickly lose their license to work. It is important that if you witnessed any kind of abuse that you speak out and follow the routine measures by reporting to BACB. You are a mandated reporter.

      What you failed to point out is how many children learn to read, write, talk, walk, spell, eat, go potty, and much much more because of the practices and empirical based techniques that ABA brings us. Those are the kids I work with everyday. They will be able to go to school, learn self-help skills, sit and eat with their families, have safe leisure time at home, and everything we teach them will hopefully reduce the chances that they will be institutionalized or put in a “home” when they get kicked out of public school system at age 23 (NH). It is with ABA that I can hope to create a better future for some of the little ones I work with everyday. It is sad that some places give ABA a bad rap. I hope you continue to educate yourself in the field of psychology and broaden your horizons on this topic because your experiences are not valid or comparable to most ABA programs across the U.S.

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    9. Hi there! Quite late to this posting party, but I was intensively looking into the option of a future in ABA when I stumbled here (and thank goodness I did). I have some follow-up questions:

      1. What did you end up doing once you left ABA? Are you still involved with the ASD (or special needs in general) community in a way that you find more satisfying?

      2. Do you think it’s possible for ABA therapists to only execute functional goals and to refuse to engage in “normalization”? Or is the ABA approach to functional goals thought to be damage self-esteem as well? From my understanding, it seems that OT may be a good alternative for that purpose, but I’m wondering if there’s overlap.

      3. Do you know of any research initiatives (conclusive or ongoing) to explore harmful effects of ABA or to augment the program?

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    10. “The kids may cry. They may try to escape. They may refuse. But they must do it, because we have decided it is good for them and that we are helping them.”

      Isn’t that true for all children? Like I have a neurotypical (pretty sure, obviously it may be early too tell but he is already speaking in full sentences and engaging in pretend play and brings me things to show me and tells me about airplanes when he hears or sees one and the like) 2 year old. He often wants to run off, if we go out and I walk toward the shop instead of to the playground he’ll bolt off toward the playground, so I give him a warning “if you don’t stay by mummy you’re going in the reins” – I know he hates the reins (I also remember being 2 and hating the reins) which is why I use them as a threat rather than just keep them on him all the time, so I know being threatened with the reins may make him walk with me instead of run off – which at 2 years old is a dangerous and unacceptable behaviour. If he does it anyway I must follow through or he’s never going to take the threat seriously again. So I put the reins on him and – try to escape? Tick. Cry? Tick. Refuse? Tick. Use advanced tools of non violent resistance? Oh you bet! But I put him in the reins anyway.

      He got sweets to potty train him. He gets time out (on my lap because at 2 the idea of him staying still on a “naughty step” is laughable but he absolutely hates being constrained in any way) if he messes around at bedtime (which was remarkably effective – after trying so many containment methods which he figured out how to escape).

      Like I don’t understand how the criticisms against ABA don’t apply to normal parenting of neurotypical kids too? Except that 40hrs a week is full on – I mean I don’t make my kid do stuff all day, I only try and control behaviours that either make my life hard (not going to bed) or aren’t safe (running across the road) or make it look like I’m a bad mum infant of other people (like running around shouting in public spaces – don’t judge onlookers, you all do it, or will when you’re parents) – right now he’s putting all the chairs in the house in the garden and I don’t care, he can do that if he wants, trying to control it is much harder than putting the chairs back inside later, giving him a bath is easier than stopping him covering himself in felt pen etc.

      But autistic children have presumably more issues that need to be addressed if they’re going to be as independent as possible once they’re adults right? And that’s the ultimate goal of any parenting right? To get the sprogs out of the house and living on their own so you can get back to watching netflix boxset marathons and playing computer games (I got that right didn’t I?)

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  1. this is a “must read” article by all families having children with autism…ty for the perspective on ‘compliance training’ usually advocated by therapists…

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      1. I stated it in other posts, but I believe this anti ABA stance is dangerous, in addition to the anti compliance training stance. Compliance training as you call it can be very very important. Your issue is with the utilization of ‘compliance training’ and the goals selected by the teams you worked with. For example, if I am working with a client who does not follow safety instructions such as being told “Stop” because they are about to walk into traffic, then compliance training is necessary. If I am dealing with an individual who hits their head so severely when given an every day instruction that they may cause permanent damage or even critical damage to themselves, then compliance training, in addition to working on decreasing that behavior would be essential to that individuals life. Now it would be unethical to teach a person to comply to every little command even if they do not want to, such as punishing an individual because they did not clap their hands when you told them to.
        Also, I agree with the above poster that your article is ignorant of the techniques and principles of ABA. For example, you state that in compliance training individuals have “no way of saying ‘No’ or that they do not want to do something”. That is 100% false. I am sure there are programs out there who do this, but it does NOT represent ABA. In fact, I ALWAYS teach the individuals I work with how they can refuse. Now if I am working with an individual who engages in dangerous aggression when given a non-preferred instruction, and is very likely to harm themselves or others, then I will teach them what to do INSTEAD of aggress. Such as, teaching him/her to say no, exchange an icon, sign (whatever mode of communication is most appropriate for them), or in some way safely communicate that they do not want to do that thing. It IS also important to teach individuals that they MUST comply with instructions at times. This is important for ANYONE not only individuals with Autism. For example, if an officer tells me to pull over, I MUST comply. Failing to teach an individual with autism (or any individual in the human race) that there are situations that you can not have what you want, or that you must comply would be doing a disservice, and could harm them in the future.

        It sounds like you have an issue with what people teach, and specifically the company you worked for, not the principles of ABA. Your article reminds me of people who hate all Muslims because of what ISIS does, or hate all Christians because of what some radical conservative Christians (such as Westboro Baptist) do.

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        1. I’ve responded to some of your points in my comment to you above. For compliance training, yes of course there are some situations that Autistic kids should learn to follow commands when there are good reasons behind it and they have a say in other aspects of their life. But the way it was used in the ABA therapy I was part of, Autistic kids had to comply to *every* demand that a therapist made simply because a therapist made it. You’ve already agreed yourself that that’s not right, so we have that. I mean, you can say it’s false and that it doesn’t represent ABA, but that was the ABA therapy I was part of. The kids had choices about what reinforcements they wanted, but not when it came to explicit commands from therapists or BCBAs.

          I’m glad that you do teach the word no. That is very important. If a child is banging their head against the wall when you give them a command, well, it’s so important to realize the child has a reason for doing so and to be *very* careful about what assumptions you make about what that reason is. If a child doesn’t have an adequate means of communicating, then there’s pretty much no way to know for sure why they’re doing that, which is why communication is absolutely essential. I can’t really say much more about it, but I strongly encourage you to read some examples of what Autistic people have written about aggression and self-injury:

          http://wearelikeyourchild.blogspot.com/2014/05/a-checklist-for-identifying-sources-of.html
          http://emmashopebook.com/category/self-injurious-behavior/
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4lhXidFPx8

          To reiterate, I’m against compliance-based therapy, based on what Autistic people have said about it. That doesn’t mean a child never gets told no; it just means I’m against compliance-based therapy. I hope you will read the links I’ve provided.

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        2. I had no sence of danger or awearness I had to be watch all, the time an on Felix trips had to have a one on one .becuse I was a wonder also an some what non verble .but back in the 70s an 80s aba isn’t like it is now maybe other therhies work to .becuse I still don’t always understand why I’m doing something wrong all aba taught me was to say sorry becuse that make things Beyer an then you get your reward or whatever .but the way it was done with us was you earthier get a reward or lose something .you were told you were being good or bad an so on .but what those who think it good do not understand is that are behavior is are way of coummitiong it may not be ok at the time .but we shouldn’t be tread like that .also growing up felt like there were to sets of rules one for us an one for not kids .i was also thought of as low f when younger .so I telling you what it was like from the child I was

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  2. Reblogged this on Melissa Fields, Autist and commented:
    Reblogging because this explains why compliance therapies such as ABA are bad, and this explains about Autism and Autistic people and how our minds work and how we process things. It is a long read, but please take the time to read this and click on all of the links too. Because Autism is NOT a behavioral problem. It is a real disability, and we need understanding and acceptance, and help that will help us on our level and at our pace and ability…..not NT people’s.Thank you.

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      1. Why don’t you tell us where you worked? Surely if kids are being abused there we would all want to put a stop to it. If you can’t tell us then I’m afraid we have a “witches of Salem” scenario here where you are making up ghoulish stories to cause chaos and destruction.

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        1. From a blogger with autism (http://neurowonderful.tumblr.com/post/112730019116/a-note-to-what-feels-like-every-aba-therapist )
          “it is the autistic people being submitted and who have been submitted to ABA, and not the ABA practitioners, who get to decide if ABA is abusive or not.

          And quite frankly, as an allistic person trained and educated by an inherently ableist, violent institution, there is a good chance that you wouldn’t even recognize the abuse as abuse.

          Autistic people perceive differently, we have different pain and sensory experiences, we feel things differently. Allistic ABA practitioners, no matter how experienced or “empathetic”, really don’t have any idea what it’s like to be autistic, and they never will.

          That’s why it’s so critical for you to actually listen to autistic people, rather than shouting over our voices and stepping all over us as you rush to defend your profession. If you actually care about autistic people,”

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  3. Great post! You said all this much more diplomatically than I ever have said it. Please include in your list of links and in your research my blog on the ethics of ABA, written since 2007. It sounds like it didn’t come up in your research. Or you disagree with it, perhaps. But that’s okay. Without objection expected, I will be disseminating your post to parents of autistics internet groups and to Applied Behavior Analysis in Facebook. This is very important. You have led your readers to the voice of autistics much better than I ever have. Thanks for the info! You provide many voices I haven’t read yet. My blog is Reward and Consent. http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com … The main paper is an essay on how ABA can and should gain the dual consent of parent and child to ABA. Perhaps you are right. As I am learning more over time. ABA is inherently unethical down to its very core and dual consent will never happen. It is just a pipe dream of mine, perhaps. Do you know the gentle sister profession to ABA, Positive Behavior Support? To me it hold more promise. A follower of PBS is not an ABA practitioner despite ABA claims that PBS is a part of ABA. They have broken away free and clear from ABA. PBS does not punish. Despite their claims to the contrary, ABA is all about punishment. If they cannot control with their positive reinforcement they are always armed and ready to force compliance with punishment. PBS says punishment is unnecessary and therefore unethical. Check out Gary LaVigna, BCBA, leader of PBS. That’s what he says. If you have an opinion about the blog, however, in favor, opposed, or otherwise, I’ll publish your opinion on the blog.

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    1. Actually you do need the individuals consent to provide the service to them, especially if they are over 18 and have the functional and communicative ability to do so. This is also highly dependent on age. Parents make many decisions for their young children, whether typical developing or those who have a disability, that is not specific to ABA.

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    2. I think that Positive Behavior Support has potential, but that it also has many of the same fundamental problems as classical ABA.

      (For instance: the assumption that it’s possible to tell through taking data what a behavior is for, the assumption that successfully modifying a behavior means you understood it, pseudo-technical terms that treat value judgements as scientifically rigorous statements, putting excessive power in the hands of behavior therapists, insufficient research regarding the perspectives of autistic people and others with developmental disabilities on the meanings of our behavior, and the use of unethical reinforcers.)

      Also, I’m not convinced that there’s a fundamental difference between punishment-based approaches and reinforcement-based approaches. PBS behavior plans tend to involve finding out what someone cares about most, then making all of their access to it contingent on compliance with their behavior plan. That doesn’t seem to me to be all that different from hitting someone for breaking the rules (or taking away their tokens for breaking the rules). (If being deprived of the reinforcer is painfully distressing, how is that not an aversive?)

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    1. Thanks for your comments. I’ve heard of PBS, but I honestly don’t know much about it. I’ll have to do some reading before I can say anything intelligent about it. I do feel very skeptical and wary of behaviorism as a whole, though. The ABA I was part of did not include any explicit punishment in the sense of aversive consequences either (if that’s what you mean by punishment) – it was more about withholding rewards, and yet it still wasn’t right. (Real Social Skills has another good post about that here: http://realsocialskills.org/post/110819268573/why-i-oppose-aba-as-a-method-of-instruction) I’m glad to hear it at least doesn’t involve compliance training.

      I haven’t seen your blog before, but I will definitely take some more time to check it out. (I did briefly, and it’s awesome that you’re raising awareness about the Judge Rotenberg Center on it – great post!) I’ve seen Michelle Dawson’s paper referenced before, but I haven’t yet read it in its entirety. I need to do that. Thanks for posting it!

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      1. All of this stuff is really hard to talk about. Because there are all these elements of ABA that probably have legitimate applications and that are presumably being used here and there in genuinely useful ways — but all the assumptions underlying ABA professional culture are deeply dehumanizing and unethical. And that’s still true even if you’re good at taking data that helps you figure out what’s going wrong and what might help, or if you’ve figured out how to use chaining to help someone learn something they’ve been struggling with for years, or any number of other things.

        Behavior analysis professional culture is based on the assumption that behavior analysts are entitled to modify any socially devalued behavior that socially devalued people engage in, and that it’s acceptable to use almost any means that are effective.

        I don’t think it’s possible to be part of that professional culture without being corrupted by it.

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    2. With all that research you still use the term “autistics” which is deeply insulting to parents and shows that you don’t think of them as individuals with a disability.

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      1. I understand that SOME parents might not be comfortable with the term “autistic”, BUT – many AUTISTIC people PREFER to be referred to as autistic – because it DOES define a great part of their personhood.

        Here is a link to several blog posts on the subject – I hope it helps to clarify the reasoning.

        http://autisticadvocacy.org/home/about-asan/identity-first-language/

        The best thing to do is to respect the choice of the person you are communicating with – which is what the author has done by using the word autistic.

        And a common thought from those who are on the autism spectrum – “if you have to SAY person first to SEE the person first, that’s a bigger problem”. Word choice is important – that’s why autistic was chosen, to honor those on the spectrum who are autistic and proud.

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      2. I am Autistic (Kanner’s; not HFA), and I prefer to be called an Autistic, NOT “a person with Autism”. I am QUITE PROUD of being Autistic.

        And what is this crap you’re spouting: “…deeply insulting to parents…” Who cares if parents are insulted about what we choose to call ourselves? The parents of Autistics aren’t Autistic–WE ARE. Parents need to step down in thinking they know what’s best and start listening.

        I’ve been reading your responses to this article, and they trouble me somewhat; it seems as though you are viewing Autism through the lens of Psychology (folks who are not Autistic) and NOT through the lens of Autistics, the folks who experience the challenges everyone seems so bent on “curing”. See the problem?

        I highly recommend that you read blogs, books, etc. from adult Autistics’ perspectives so you might better understand us and our culture. Is Gabriel your Autistic child? If you won’t do it for yourself, do it for him, so he knows he’s not broken or that he needs to behave like everyone else; tell him that Autism is just a variation in the gamut of human expression and that he is beautiful and amazing just the way he is.

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        1. thank you I have plan old reg autism with Learning disabilities .i don’t understand why some parents don’t want to hear from us what we had a thought was good an bad most of my therapies were good some were hard because I didn’t understand what they were asking of me .some were reward after doing things .but it wasn’t like the ABA stuff of complete what your ask or punished an then loose the treat .i rember bring made to sit on my hands to no t hit myself or others .stuff like that

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        1. I’m told I still speak an write at times in third person whatever that means .i didn’t understand first person .my friend had to explain it to me it took long time to get it .i just say I have autism an LD if someone ask me got to much going on to deal with day to day having a didabity to get caught up in east the supper close to nt ASD group think we should call us or they want to be call .

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  4. “It’s even more concerning that ABA was founded by Ivar Lovaas”….um, not quite. Ever hear of BF Skinner? Someone needs to brush up on the history of behaviorism. Lovaas is a proponent of ABA, but certainly not the “founder”….

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      1. Patricia, Skinner created the foundational roots of Behavior Analysis. Ivar Lovaas created Discrete Trial Training (not ABA in its entirety) . The entire field of ABA is a conceptual framework based off of what Skinner created. There are many different approaches used within ABA that have been created by a variety of behavior analysts over the years. Get your facts straight.

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      2. I’m afraid you misunderstand and are clueless Patricia. Behavior Analysis is the field of ABA and ABA is the science of behavior.

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      3. Lets all be correct. There are several founders of ABA all based on Skinner’s basic experimental and theroretical work: Jack Michael, Montrose Wolf, Ogden Lindsey and a few others. Lovaas is to be credited with using intensive (many weekly hours) of ABA with children who were “highly involved” on the autism spectrum. He did NOT found Applied Behavior Analysis nor did he work with “high functioning” children with autism. But he is to be credited with great accomplishments in ABA.
        This whole article is full of uninformed canards.

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        1. I think we’re having some breakdown in communication throughout this thread because we’re all talking about different forms of ABA. I’ve seen Lovaas cited widely as the father of “Applied Behavior Analysis,” and what I meant when I said it was that he is the founder of ABA used as a therapy method for Autistic kids, which yeah, is a generalization. To be more precise, he’s the father of the Lovaas method/Lovaas model that may be used as part of ABA. The ABA I did definitely used much of the Lovaas method, so in my case, I believe it is accurate to call him the founder of much of the ABA therapy I’ve described in this post (such as DTT and compliance training). Broadly speaking, though, Lovaas was also one of the first to pioneer the use of behavior analysis principles as a way to “treat” Autistic kids, so he is a big part of the origins of that whole idea, and that is important to recognize.

          But yeah, a lot of other methods have developed and are also called ABA therapy. I do understand that, and I appreciate the clarifications. I do realize I’ve been using “ABA therapy” and “ABA” interchangeably, which has added to the confusion. ABA is hard to talk about it because it’s become such an umbrella term for so many different things. I’ve already acknowledged that in my post, and I tried to emphasize that I’m speaking specifically about the ABA therapy I did. I do realize that I may have made some generalizations, and I’ll take some time to figure out if I should update the wording in the post to clarify.

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          1. I would definitely reword some of this. I think your intentions are amazing, and the principles of your article are very important, but like I mentioned in my other comments, attributing this to ABA as a whole is incorrect. I think rather than bashing ABA as a whole you should encourage parents to be selective in who they choose to provide services, and make sure their BCBA is ethical, and encourage practitioners to remain ethical when providing services.

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        2. “Lovaas is to be credited with using intensive (many weekly hours) of ABA with children who were “highly involved” on the autism spectrum.” At the same time he was also using it on effeminate boys in the Feminine Boy Project at UCLA to cure their supposed homosexuality…..

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      4. This is actually incorrect. Applied Behavior Analysis is the practice of behaviorism founded on the principles outlined by B.F. Skinner. What Lovaas pioneered was research into the application of the principles of behavior to autistics and is termed Early Intensive Behavioral Intervention or EIBI. Prior to his research behavior analysis had been applied mainly to populations with severe behavioral issues such as aggression and self-injurious behavior.

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        1. Well, please allow me to add my two cents here. Julie Vargas, a BF Skinner daughter, emailed to me a statement that the BF Skinner Foundation, which she leads, is not an ABA institution. Unfortunately, however, their newsletter, Operants, shows extremely strong ties between the Foundation and ABA.

          Operants

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    1. Yes, exactly, Patricia. Thank you for your comment.

      Diane, you’re right that B.F. Skinner was a father of the broad field of behaviorism. ABA as an application of behaviorism is specifically credited to Lovaas, so yeah, it’s still accurate to say that Lovaas was the founder of ABA in particular.

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      1. Correction: Lovaas did not “find” ABA. It was already around before him. He was just the first to demonstrate ABA was an effective teaching tool in helping kids with autism.
        I wished you did more research than Wikipedia everything. It’s about as bad as those “vaccine causing autism” stories.

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      2. Well…not the field of ABA more broadly, no…Applied Behavior Analysis does have applications outside of autism intervention, and that has always been the case. It is true that Lovaas was a foundational figure in the history of using of ABA-based techniques in the field of autism intervention. That’s the tricky part of how using “ABA” has evolved as shorthand for “ABA-based autism intervention”–the existence of Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) as a wider field, with other applications for other populations, gets lost in the shuffle. Check out the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis to get an interesting [at least to me! :)] taste of other applications of ABA. And, if you REALLY want to geek out on behavior [been there :)], the Journal of the Experimental Analysis of Behavior will take you into the lab, where the basic principles of behavior are explored before they help inform intervention techniques outside the lab.
        Probably more than you wanted to know… :)

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    2. ….which makes it even worse. It’s 2015, Skinner published his pivotal book in 1953. Lovaas viewed children as organisms and the rest is a strange, weird history of some good intentions and a lot of hurtful and harmful techniques.

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    3. Fred Skinner’s work was in the domain of experimental analysis of behaviour. This work was applied by many, but one of the earliest to do so was Charles Ferster.

      If I recall correctly, Ferster came up with some interesting behaviour-analytic accounts of depression and autism, amongst other things.

      FWIW, I gather that Skinner may have refused to work with Lovaas, who (given his idea of ‘building a person inside the empty shell’) was a psychoanalyst through and through. Lovaas certainly did not – at least initially – understand the point of applying behaviour-analytic techniques: Skinner was all about improving learning outcome, not changing who people are at a fundamental level; Lovaas’ work with the Feminine Boys Project, for example, shows up this lack of understanding of this point.

      Regarding ABA: anybody who has worked for a wage has undergone the application of behaviour-analytic principles. Anybody who has done their homework to a higher standard on the basis of having been given higher marks the first time they did this – yes, has undergone the application of behaviour-analytic principles.

      It’s time we stop slinging babies out with bath-water.

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      1. I read four Skinnwr books cover to cover. Skinner was on the founding board of the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis. Issue 1-1, Risley (1968) of the famed ABA trendsetting team, Baer, Wolf, Risley (1968), called an a young autistic girl a deviant and shocked the hell out of her for climbing the family’s precious living room furniture! Of course Skinner was all about changing people!

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        1. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2755377/
          Our paper reviews and analyzes B. F. Skinner’s contributions to applied behavior analysis in order to assess his role as the field’s originator and founder. We found, first, that his contributions fall into five categorizes: the style and content of his science, his interpretations of typical and atypical human behavior, the implications he drew from his science for application, his descriptions of possible applications, and his own applications to nonhuman and human behavior. Second, we found that he explicitly or implicitly addressed all seven dimensions of applied behavior analysis. These contributions and the dimensions notwithstanding, he neither incorporated the field’s scientific (e.g., analytic) and social dimensions (e.g., applied) into any program of published research such that he was its originator, nor did he systematically integrate, advance, and promote the dimensions so to have been its founder. As the founder of behavior analysis, however, he was the father of applied behavior analysis.
          —-
          That last sentence denotes his only connection to ABA.

          As for the other point: calling an autistic girl ‘deviant’, it does not strike me as odd that you don’t understand that the word ‘deviant’ means ‘deviating from (something)’.

          All you’re doing with this quest to decry soemthing scientific is to make yourself look entirely irrational.

          People in organisations where I apply for work look up autism on the net, and find people like you. The then assume that I’m of the same mind on stuff as people like you. Then I get passed over for work for which I’m well qualified.

          People like you make it practically impossible for academically/professionally qualified autistics to get work, because of your entirely irrational behaviour.

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          1. Sir, I am enjoying the challenge of our little game of “debate chess.”

            While I do believe that Skinner was able to control human and non-human behavior of organisms by taking underweight rats and putting them in a carefully controlled experimental chamber to increase rates of lever presses contingent upon electromechanical delivery of grain pellets, I do not believe Skinnerean behavior science equates into ABA.

            ABA is a set of highly unethical models by a misguided profession who believe in punishment even though its gentle sister profession, Positive Behavior Support (PBS), theoretically, has ruled out punitive techniques as unnecessary and therefore unethical. (See LaVigna’s Affidavit against the ABA school of extremely painful electric skin shock contingent upon gettng out of seat with no ABA staff permission and upon ABA JRC staff- provoked aggression.)

            ABA is not a full-fledged science because any so-called science that only disseminates fscts that make them look good so they can pay their salaries is pseudo-science! Coverage of shock with the illegal GED 4 at ABA’s Judge Rotenberg Center (JRC) is practically non-existent in ABA journals! Why? Because ABA is not a science.

            It is, indeed, a cult of punishment as a last resort method of ultimate control, corrupted by huge amounts of money and chock full of abuses, so it seems!

            Here is me saying why ABA IS A CULT. In my opinion, you sir, are equally brainwashed like the rest of the lot into the easily challenged the “ABA-is-effective-science” set of of Skinnerean Moonies who have big, big control issues! Using that commonplace ABA logic, webcan also say that Adolph Hitler was “effective” in annihilating schizophrenics, autistics, gypsies, gays, and Jews. Having a desired effect, pal, is nothing to brag about!

            Check with knight! It’s your move!

            http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/11/why-applied-behavior-analysis-is-cult.html

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            1. do forgive the necro-post but this particular autistic and psychology student would like to note:

              2-1-16 till 10-2-16

              125 days without a reply from the self professed “authority” on this thread…

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  5. Lali, it looks like you know your stuff. I had never hear the behavior analysts using the term “compliance training” as far as I can recall from my debates with them in Facebook. Then I had a little doubt about your story, so I googled “Compliance training applied behavior analyst” and I was surprised to find affirmative search results! They more commonly call this “Instructional control,” I believe. I have been criticizing their instructional control as nothing more than “submission training” in some instances, and I have spoken favorably of “positive instructional control,” which teaches entirely without punishment the steps toward how a parent or teacher can gain compliance of their children or students entirely with the consent of the youngster. So in my opinion, even though it teaches compliance, when the youngster is not forced to do something they don’t want to do, it is not necessarily a bad thing that a parent can have some instructional control. This is necessary for them to have in the event of an emergency. It is a bad thing, however, when every positive effort of a behavior analyst carries with it the threat that if the children don’t listen during positive reinforcement, then they will always punish them to enforce compliance. So in one sense instructional control in ABA is never positive. In this outlook, positive instructional control is good under the break away sister profession to ABA, Positive Behavior Support, which does not punish. Positive instructional control is bad under ABA, because it insists that punishment as a last resort is a good thing, which PBS has told them is not. PBS criticizes ABA and tells them they don’t know enough about the positive alternatives to punishment, and that punishment is not necessary and therefore unethical. On the other hand, compliance training under PBS is also questionable, if it occurs, which it may not. They do teach youngsters how to make their own decisions, which is quite the opposite of compliance training. It is “independence training.” Independent living is the major tenet of the disability community’s Independent Living Movement.” So PBS, not ABA, supports our movement.

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    1. Thanks for your additional thoughts. Yeah, now that you say that, I never heard it called “compliance training” until I started learning from Autistic self-advocates; it doesn’t seem like many people in behaviorism use that term for it. I did hear about “instructional control” a lot, which does seem pretty synonymous. I will definitely look into PBS more, and I’ll try to get back to you if I have any thoughts to share! I would also be interesting in hearing anyone else’s perspective on it.

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      1. (Also just wanted to clarify that I borrowed the image from Lali Masriera on Flickr, but they’re not at all affiliated with this blog and probably don’t even know it exists. I’m Steph!)

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        1. It’s beautiful, and eye catching! What I connect with is you say that ABA seemed counter-intuitive to you at first. I taught language to my son at age 3, but never used the behavioral aspects. I am fiercely independent, and I wouldn’t want to be treated that way. I also worked at a residential ABA school fro 7 months. I could never “get” it then, either. The people you referenced here? The best of the best!

          I still can’t talk about those 7 months. It was the most confusing time of my life. I couldn’t wait to get out of there. But I know the people were good and loved the kids in their own way, and most absolutely ignored the tenets of ABA. Still, punishing time out rooms were used…and the children were treated as preschoolers.

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          1. ABA is used in every day life without people realizing it. When you sit and twirl your hair or bite your nails when you’re bored/nervous? That’s stimming. Masturbating is another form of self-stimming.
            When you get a paycheck for working? Token economy. When you get a speeding ticket? Positive punishment. When your significant other compliments on your hair? Positive reinforcement in the form of social praise. When you ignore that annoying coworker so they don’t bother you again? Extinction.
            Parents teach neurotypical kids compliance training all the time and no one bats an eye.

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            1. Yes, basic forms of reward and punishment are used in the wider world. However, we only use this very intensive form of it as therapy for Autistic kids. Teaching kids explicitly that they must earn any enjoyable activity, and teaching them this for hours a day for 5 days a week, is very different than the way reward/punishment is experienced in the average person’s daily life. Also, there are some things that kids should not have to earn or ask for, ever, such as food and breaks. Real Social Skills explains more about why this is damaging here: http://realsocialskills.org/post/110819268573/why-i-oppose-aba-as-a-method-of-instruction

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    2. Where did you get all this garbage from? You google everything instead of reading the literature or the research. What kind of professional uses google and Wikipedia? Punishment procedures are never used. If a child were wacking themselves in the head with a bat and the person took it away. That can be perceived as a punishment. I’ve never heard of instructional control and I’m a student. There is something called stimulus control but punishment has nothing to do with it. It is maintained by reinforcement.

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    3. Where did you get all this garbage from? You google everything instead of reading the literature or the research. What kind of professional uses google and Wikipedia? Punishment procedures are never used. If a child were wacking themselves in the head with a bat and the person took it away. That can be perceived as a punishment. I’ve never heard of instructional control and I’m a student. There is something called stimulus control but punishment has nothing to do with it. It is maintained by reinforcement.

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      1. Go to the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis and search “instructional control.” You will find over 100 articles. You don’t get much more credible in the ABA research literature than the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis.

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    4. I’m pulling my son from his “ABA” therapy. An adaptive preschool using ABA therapy is how they describe it online. But in person, they referred to it as compliance training. This was the lead therapist. I didn’t know what I know now. Further research shows that her training was at the lovaas center. So I’m guessing this article is spot on with regards to where my son is. It’s been 3 months. He started progressing with them, then stopped, lost affect, stopped all verbalization with them. He still has affect and verbalization with OT and ST and me. He hates going, it’s a battle every time. I have no doubts about pulling him out. And I have no doubt that while some ABA therapies may be fine, that there is also a lot of variance in what is happening with autistic kids. I think it’s important to listen to adults who have been there. They have a voice my son doesn’t have yet. And listening to their voices, helps me watch what’s happening with him to do what’s best. It’s obvious to me, I need to pull him from this program. And I’ve given them notice. My point is that there are therapists out there calling it compliance therapy. And the parents who just want to help their kids be the best they can be don’t know enough to know what is or isn’t good therapy. We just know we’ve been told to do A. B. and C.

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    5. Instructional control does not mean “submit to whatever you are told.” It refers to whether a child can follow and attend to directions without constant redirection, prompts to stay in the seat etc. etc. Instructional control and compliance training includes behaviors like saying “no thanks” when you don’t want to do something you don’t want or like. And then there’s learning to deal with situations that you don’t like. I don’t like sitting in traffic and yet I find ways to cope since I don’t have a choice. Is it unreasonable to expect that a child ought to comply with directions without having to repeat them 17 million times? What is the alternative then? Just let the child be until he/she decides to listen? Instead of the group-bashing of some poorly designed ABA programs, I would like to hear more about other ways to teach these skills and maybe those of us who are practicing ABA can spend more time learning how to better serve the kiddos we love and want to help rather than having to correct blatantly incorrect representations of the therapy we provide.

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      1. Izzie, there is a huge difference between Positive Behavior Support’s (PBS) Positive Instructional Control and ABA’s extremely coercive “Obedience Training.” Are you a Board Certified Behavior Analyst, Izzie? Can you explain to us the difference between linear and non-linear interventions, please? It’s a little quiz to see how well you know PBS, if you don’t mind.

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        1. If you are doing positive only approaches, then what you are doing, Izzie, is not ABA. You are doing your version of Positive Behavior Support, or something else. ABA depends on punishment as a last resort. It is indeed addicted to punishment to the highest extremes. PBS, on the other hand, has ruled out punishment as unnecessary and therefore unethical. Also, despite ABA’s frequent claim that PBS is ABA, such claims show a lack of knowledge into PBS and ABA. They are very different with a bit of overlap, Izzie.

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        2. Dave, I do not have knowledge about PBS. I am currently training and working towards gaining by board certification and am very disturbed by the vast misrepresentation of the science. What is your experience with ABA? I have never encountered “obedience training” That’s for animals, NOT people. What we define as instructional control is the ability of a student to follow the social and instructional norms in the settings they encounter, for example, can you follow directions from your mom to stop when running out towards the street? Can you sit in a classroom and not disrupt materials while doing an art project? This is what instructional control seeks to teach a person to improve their interactions with people in their everyday life.

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  6. Thank you so much for your article!! My son was dx’d with autism at 18 months. I read about different therapies…ABA, Floortime, TEACCH, RDI, Sonrise, etc. I asked myself what my son lacked, and the answer was: he really did not know people existed. So that led me to read and implement therapy models that were social based. I remember taking him to some supposedly “amazing” therapy, and enrolling him. It was ABA based, and he HATED it. I also visited a school that was strictly ABA based and was horrified at what witnessed in the name of therapy. I could not put make him endure it. It was like torture. He was smart (and stubborn!) but he made connections to people via the therapies I did use. And while he’s not the most compliant child in all the world (ha!) He is fully conversational, bright, inquisitive, and very social. I had friends that strictly used ABA and I felt that their children were robotic and lacked spontaneity and joy. My son is enthusiastic about life and the things he loves, and I am so grateful for the road we chose. Thank you for being willing to share your thoughts. I will be passing this article on as often as I can.

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    1. Oh good, I’m glad you found some therapy that your son enjoyed. I love hearing your description of him. I really don’t think that we should want any child to be totally compliant all the time. They need to learn to have their own autonomy and express their limits – sounds like that’s definitely the case for him!

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    2. Idiots everywhere. Incapable of engaging with the scientific literature. Google and Wikipedia is your University. Any science person knows that they are unreliable sources.

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      1. What is your evidence that she used Google and Wikipedia as her sources? You embarrass your professors, your academic program, and your university when you address people with such arrogance instead of simply setting the record straight. Professionals do not attack people by calling them idiots.

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  7. Thank you for your opinion and allow me to express mine in return:
    I can understand and in fact, empathize with some of your arguments. I even experienced some of those at the beginning of my career. In my first year as an ABA therapist I felt the same, I wondered why there are people in this world who have the right to treat children this way, why are the parents happy about bringing their children to such “specialists”, and… why am I even there? I thought of quitting almost every day. But rather sooner than later the supervisor I had at that moment left the team and a lot of things changed. I will not go through all my experience in ABA it is a nearly 6 years journey in which I learned a lot of things and changed my perspective.
    Now I am a BCaBA and founder of a center for children and there are some things I am certain about, that I would like to share with you:
    – ABA is not a tough, unethical, nonhuman method of teaching, but “bad” ABA can be. In the past the techniques used in ABA programs were rather harsh, but things had changed and most of them are not accepted anymore and are considered unethical. Sadly, many people still chose to apply them, but that does not mean that they make define ABA . Don’t confuse a science with the bad application of it.
    – ABA specialists and practitioners are not “forced” by the principles of ABA to treat people with autism in a manner that depersonalizes them. It is rather who they are as people that allows them to do so. In my experience I learned that you can successfully apply ABA and make children enjoy the time spent with you. The children in our center are treated like unique, special individuals. They’re preferences, wishes, states, needs are taken into consideration in every decision and change we make. They are eager to spend time with their therapists and happy when they meet them. They have fun, play they’re favorite games while learning, they are motivated to cooperate and they even ask about their therapists when they miss or through the weekends or holidays. They see them as friends who come to play with them and teach them new stuff. And yes, this is also ABA.
    – applying ABA is not equivalent with using punishment. The ethical code restricts the use of punishment to the last option possible, in case there are no other techniques left that haven’t been tried. Using punishment as the first option is a violation of the BA ethical code. I design ABA individualized programs for 5 years and I can tell you for a fact that there were lots of them in which I did not need to use such techniques. More than this, I would like to inform you that your example with beating a child as an efficient technique in ABA is wrong in so many ways. Behavior analysts follow a very strict code of ethics which forbids the use of punitive techniques. It is like you would say that a psychologist or a doctor would be allowed to do the same. “Do no harm!” applies in all sciences who serve human well-being.
    I am sorry for your experience and, even if sad, it is true that there are still a lot of fake specialists, without even a degree in behavior analysis who assume they have the right to do whatever with persons with some disabilities. But the truth is this is a choice one makes. If one can harm hopeless people “to prove a point” that says something about him and not about the science he claims he uses. Of course the persons with autism who claim bad experiences are right. But thinks have changed. The science of ABA changed a lot. And hopefully, the “so called” practitioners that misapply the principles of ABA will extinguish.

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    1. Thank you for reading. I appreciate your respectful response.

      There are some therapies that are called ABA that definitely don’t have the same problems as what I’m talking about. But I get the impression that the ABA I did is among those commonly considered “good ABA” (the people I worked with definitely considered it to be), and it was still very wrong. We weren’t using punishment or aversives, but that’s not enough to make ABA good. And I do hear a lot that ABA has changed and evolved, but I was working just last year, and this was still my experience. If any ABA has any of the characteristics that I’ve mentioned in this post, then it’s not good ABA, because these are things that Autistic people have highlighted as being particularly damaging to them.

      Based on my experience, I feel there’s a huge disconnect between the training BCBAs receive and the training ABA Therapists receive. I don’t remember receiving any training about the ethical standards that BCBAs were supposed to adhere to, and this left a lot to the personal judgment of each therapist, which created some very dangerous situations. Even the best of therapists can have flawed judgment, but in the worst cases, they can be vindictive or even cruel. ABA Therapists themselves need way more training and accountability instead of just being expected to blindly trust and follow BCBA programs. We had many things that were a last resort (for example, physically restraining kids when they stimmed was supposed to be a last resort), but it really wasn’t that hard to get there. People physically blocked stim on a daily basis. Maybe some ABA is better about that, but I just feel that it’s worth mentioning.

      I never meant to imply that ABA beats kids. That was definitely not my experience. That example was just meant to show that you can call anything “effective” if you’re only measuring behaviors and not looking at the psychological and emotional effects, and if you’re only measuring the outcome instead of the means of getting there. ABA is commonly considered effective because some Autistic kids who go through it master skills according to ABA criteria and have less “problematic” behaviors, but its methods of getting these results are wrong (and some of the goals themselves are harmful as well). That’s what I was trying to illustrate with that example.

      It’s a good sign that the kids are enjoying the therapy. I think it would be awesome if you hired an Autistic person on staff to consult with – or just consulted an Autistic person. It would be so helpful if every therapy place that worked with Autistic kids had connections with Autistic adults to gain their insights and recommendations.

      Also, I recommend this post about ABA from Real Social Skills that I missed in my original post: http://realsocialskills.org/post/110819268573/why-i-oppose-aba-as-a-method-of-instruction I hope you will also read more about what Autistic people are saying, if you haven’t already.

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      1. My son walks on tipitoes and sometimes flaps his hands. His BCBA said that they’re not doing any harm so just leave them. Stims are not stopped unless they hurt the child.

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      2. From the perspective of someone being subjected to this type of therapy, or at risk of being subjected to it, “as a last resort” always mean “you, if you don’t do what I want.”

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    2. The BACB professional code of ethics does *not* strictly prohibit punishment, it explicitly permits it. You say first that it is only used as a last resort, and then that it’s strictly prohibited. Those can’t both be true. If it’s allowed, then it’s allowed. (And in fact, you say that you use punishment sometimes). From the perspective of the person it’s happening to, aversives are no less aversive because you are reluctant to use them and try other things first.

      And the professional code of ethics doesn’t say anything about which behaviors it’s ok to modify with punishment procedures; it only says that you have to try non-aversive methods first. It doesn’t say, anywhere, that there are things that, if you can’t accomplish them with positive methods, you should let it go and work on a different goal. So, within those rules, I don’t see any prohibition on using the aversive methods described in this post to stop a child from stimming (https://juststimming.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/quiet-hands/)

      Click to access BACB_Compliance_Code.pdf

      4.08 Considerations Regarding Punishment Procedures.
      (a) Behavior analysts recommend reinforcement rather than punishment whenever possible.
      (b) If punishment procedures are necessary, behavior analysts always include reinforcement procedures
      for alternative behavior in the behavior-change program.
      (c) Before implementing punishment-based procedures, behavior analysts ensure that appropriate
      steps have been taken to implement reinforcement-based procedures unless the severity or
      dangerousness of the behavior necessitates immediate use of aversive procedures.
      (d) Behavior analysts ensure that aversive procedures are accompanied by an increased level of training,
      supervision, and oversight. Behavior analysts must evaluate the effectiveness of aversive procedures in a timely manner and modify the behavior-change program if it is ineffective. Behavior analysts always include a plan to discontinue the use of aversive procedures when no longer needed.

      Is there a different professional code of ethics that strictly forbids the use of aversive punishment procedures? If there is, I haven’t seen one. And given that the JRC, which openly uses starvation and electric shock, was allowed to sponsor and present at ABAI, it does not seem to me to be likely that there is a professional code prohibiting punishment. http://autisticadvocacy.org/2015/05/asan-statement-on-jrc-at-association-for-behavior-analysis-international-conference/

      Also, even aside from that, I think that it’s standard practice to use ignoring to extinguish behaviors. For some reason, behaviorists don’t seem to consider that to be an aversive punishment, but it seems clear to me that it’s experienced as one subjectively by the person it’s being done to. Being ignored when you’re trying to communicate something is painful and humiliating. I don’t understand why that isn’t considered punishment.

      Are there any approaches to extinguishing that *don’t* involve ignoring someone who is trying to get your attention, refuse a task, or otherwise communicate something that’s considered unacceptable (either because of the content or because of the way they’re communicating)? Have you personally ever written a program for challenging behaviors that *didn’t* involve the use of ignoring to extinguish the behaviors?

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      1. First off, if you want to learn more about the science of ABA, the BACB website is not the place to go. As an evidence-based science, research is relied upon to make clinical decisions. Programs that are written and put into place are done so with the consent of the parent. If you’re interested in learning more, the archives of the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis are available for free through the NIH website.

        As for the use of punishment, it is really important to understand what punishment means in ABA. It refers specifically to any stimulus (added or removed) that DECREASES the future frequency of behavior. Things that we would consider positive, for example a hug, can actually function as an aversive stimulus! As I understand it, it was in the 70s and 80s when positive (introducing aversives) punishment was used with abandon and without regulating committees. Nowadays, if you’re an ethical practitioner, you need to get approval and oversight by another behavior analyst (peer-review comitttee) if you want to use punishment, even if it’s something as “harmless” as taking away someone’s TV time for engaging in dangerous behavior. And that is what punishment is used for and why it is referred to as a “default” technology in the field – much in the same way that surgery is considered a “default” intervention in medicine – you get it if you absolutely need it. If a behavior causes life-threatening harm to the self or others, punishment might be considered first in order to quickly decrease this life-threatening behavior. This is also why you won’t find information specifically prohibiting the use of punishment. Also, behavior analysts are bound by state laws and peer-review committees when using punishment and choosing punishers. There is only one state that has legalized the use of electric shock in therapies which is why the JRC uses it (though I don’t agree with this and I actually think that place should have been shut down decades ago).

        I hope that you find this information helpful in understanding the role and use of punishment in ABA. I think it is important to get to know the information and training that underlies what is supposed to be ABA. After all, medical training produced Dr. Mengle but we have not rejected the whole of medicine.

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          1. Have you read the ethical standards by the American Psychological Association?
            As for electric shock therapy, you make it sound like we’re all being taught that this is a go-to treatment. Where are you getting this impression? There is ONE center that uses electric shock because there is ONE state that allows it. It is supposed to be used in extreme cases like severe aggression. And this is done with parental consent. Some parents actually seek out this treatment because they are desperate. Should they allow their kids to just continue to eat their own flesh? Rip out their own hair? Smash their heads into the wall? I don’t work with these kinds of cases and have not once used punishment in the 7 years I have been practicing, but these questions scare me. What would I do if I had to work with these types of clients? What would you suggest be done? Keep them in restraints? What kind of life is that?

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            1. From where did I reach my conclusion, Izzie, that Applied Behavior Analysis equals Rotenberg center extremely painful electric skin shock?

              Check in with your textbook guru, Dick Malott, please, JRC’s shock board ABA leader! Ask him!

              His ex-wife, as an ABA dissident told me she is, as I recall, Maria Malott, is the CEO of your mammoth professional network, Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI). Ask her, not me! While you are at it, ask her why she banned me from ABAI Facebook. In email with me she alleged I misled the world and told untruths about ABAI. Then I asked her to tell me exactly what I said that was such a big sin! I still await her answer!

              Or ask the governing board and all the members of ABAI why they altogether “approve” the center of what the U.N. calls “torture,” the “ABA school of shock,” as being “aligned” ABAI’s “mission!” My link below in this reply to you proves the fact with an ABAI document! This is my blog investigatory finding.

              And ask your minor local ABA professional organization why it has no official position on ABA shock “torture!”

              And now I challenge you to show me your very own published paper against skin shock ABA torture! Please make me eat my words. I guarantee everybody here in “Why I left ABA” comments that you do not have one yet! Complicity! I will apologize if I am wrong, but I doubt I am, Izzie!

              What is your name? Are you a BCBA or a parent of an autistic child or what, please?

              ABA still does not understand how some of us advocates aim to help you with your well-deserved, pathetic ethics rap! Do not blame me or my peers and allies, your disabled and autistic victims of ABA torture and abuse. Look at yourselves!

              Just wait till the new reports, investigations, facts come out! They are lulus! Stay tuned everyone, please! We want to do them well at the outset. I am done with this page for now. Good evening.

              http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-judge-rotenberg-center-school-of.html

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  8. ABA therapies today, if following the codes on conduct as set forth by the BACB, is not adversarial. Positive reinforcement is used whenever possible and the client always has the right to say no or choose to not do something.

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    1. That’s great that your clients have the right to say no. It’s not enough to ensure that ABA is ethical, though – if any form of ABA has any of the characteristics mentioned in this post, then it’s not good ABA, because these are things that Autistic people have highlighted as being particularly damaging to them (and there are other things that I’m sure I missed as well). Using positive reinforcement is not that impressive to me because the ABA I did also emphasized positive reinforcement, and it was still very wrong. I was an ABA Therapist last year, so this is a recent, modern-day form of ABA. I hope you will read what Autistic people are saying about their experiences with ABA.

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      1. Plus, depending on when the BCBA was trained, who trained him/her, and how well they were supervised, the methods might not be so modern. I worked under a BCBA once whose methods were, much to my dismay, quite at odds with what I’d been taught about punishment and coercion…but she didn’t think so…and we had at least one professor in common. Then, several years later, I moved to another state, tried to work again as a behavior therapist, and was shocked at the way a BCBA physically backed a young adult client into a corner and escalated his behavior. I learned that there’s a great deal of variation in the quality of training and supervision in this field.

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    2. The BACB ethical standards explicitly permit punishment: http://www.bacb.com/Downloadfiles/BACB_Compliance_Code.pdf

      4.08 Considerations Regarding Punishment Procedures.
      (a) Behavior analysts recommend reinforcement rather than punishment whenever possible.
      (b) If punishment procedures are necessary, behavior analysts always include reinforcement procedures
      for alternative behavior in the behavior-change program.
      (c) Before implementing punishment-based procedures, behavior analysts ensure that appropriate
      steps have been taken to implement reinforcement-based procedures unless the severity or
      dangerousness of the behavior necessitates immediate use of aversive procedures.
      (d) Behavior analysts ensure that aversive procedures are accompanied by an increased level of training,
      supervision, and oversight. Behavior analysts must evaluate the effectiveness of aversive procedures in a timely manner and modify the behavior-change program if it is ineffective. Behavior analysts always include a plan to discontinue the use of aversive procedures when no longer needed.

      None of which is the primary problem in any case.

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  9. Reblogged this on autisticreformedcalvinist and commented:
    As an autistic adult, I agree because ABA therapy harms people. I am hoping that people are more understanding towards autistic people. Compliance therapies like this one are unsafe for autistic children and adults.

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  10. Thank you for posting! I had the same ethical internal struggle after finishing my masters degree in ABA. After I attended a lecture on RDI, I realized I could never do ABA again. The whole premise of RDI and redoing the developmental milestones by guiding children was an ah-ha moment for me. Unfortunately it would have been great to have this moment before spending $13,000.00 in grad school but none the less I had it and there was no turning back. I too have recently read Ido’s book about RPM and I cringe when I think of the ABA things I did in the past but hind sight is 20/20, the important thing is we learned and moved on.

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    1. Thank you for your comment – it’s very good to hear from someone else who has been through a similar process with ABA. I admire that you were able to leave even after getting your Master’s degree. I’m so sorry that you had to go through that, but that really speaks to your strength and your commitment to the kids you worked with! Ido’s book is awesome – and I’m really interested in looking into RPM more.

      Yeah, I know exactly what you mean about thinking about the past and working in ABA. It’s very hard. I wish you all the best as you move forward.

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    2. It’s *an* important thing. It’s also important to remember that what you’ve done isn’t undone by what you’ve now learned. The people you did it to are still facing the consequences. Not for the sake of beating yourself up, but because it is true and important and might mean that you have obligations related to the harm you’ve done.

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  11. I love when ABA practitioners and parents read things incorrectly. Also, code of ethics still doesn’t say anything about normalization which is one of the key points here. And no, these are not “‘so called’ practictioners that misapply the principles of ABA.” These are pretty much the key points of ABA. Normalization and whatever means you can to getting it out. This DOES NOT mean everyone will have to resort to aversives, but it does mean that ABA’s core comes from a place of inaccuracy.

    I’ve written before that I think the problem with ABA is not the science, but the ethics. Because what a practitioner may see as acceptable may be and likely is infringing on the autistic person. “Whole body listening” is a great example of something people see as no big deal. But I rarely use eye contact and I rarely have my body not moving when I’m listening, and if this were to be extinguished, I wouldn’t be able to understand what I’m hearing. Luckily, as someone who was diagnosed as an adult, I didn’t have to go through a lot of these things.

    Now as a parent, do I use some ABA techniques with my autistic children? Yes, and so do parents of neurotypical children. If they do good, they are rewarded; if they misbehave, there are consequences. But I don’t think most people would consider this real ABA but generally parenting.

    —-

    Now as for the reason I went through all the comments, I had hoped someone had brought up *why* ABA is the only research confirmed method of therapy for autistic children. Probably because it’s the oldest form. There’s plenty of developmental based therapies (some mentioned above even) that have come about since that people strongly hold on to. Problem is they all differ a little bit. There’s no hard science (multiple research studies) on their methodologies. There are some good studies on some, but research money is hard to come by to make more and bigger studies to confirm the findings. This is especially true when you see how many are vying for the same money. This is one of those things that could be studied if money went away from causation and more to services and supports.

    The other thing not brought up? ABA was originally used on “feminized boys”, ie gay boys as a way to “make them” straight. We know now that it’s not possible to do that, just like it’s not possible to turn an autistic person neurotypical.. They may look neurotypical, but likeliness is that there are other areas in their life which have suffered to keep up those outward appearances. It’s truly sad.

    With my own children, I watch every therapy, every school, every professional that comes around my children. I do my utmost to make sure they do not overstep our key tenants. Because at the end of the day, I want children who are able to grow up and live in their own home and live their own life the way that they chose (within the law). And I thought that that was the best thing a parent could want for their child.

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    1. Yeah, I didn’t even know until just earlier today about the original use of ABA as gay conversion therapy, but I’m honestly not surprised. Disgusted, but not surprised. Anyway, great points! Thanks for adding to the discussion.

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      1. The first ABA studies were done around 1956. The Gay study (throughly criticized by most behaviorists) was done some 20 years later. (and never done again that I am aware of.)

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    2. ABA *isn’t* research-confirmed though. It’s research-confirmed that ABA methods can be used to cause autistic children and adults to do certain things. The desirability of doing so isn’t a claim based on research, it’s a value judgement. (And one that involves determination to avoid looking at certain evidence, like adult autistic perspectives on autism and things like stimming.)

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    3. ABA wasn’t “originally used” to force gay men and boys to be straight. I believe you are referring to 1 study conducted in the early years of the science. Psychotherapy was also used to attempt to “scare them straight” and is still employed in some placed today. What you say in your post is key though. YOU have to be the one telling the therapists what you want and don’t want. YOU have to have a voice and the program that is implemented should be YOUR desire for your child! What is important for your child in his/her environment! Sadly, I encounter kids who are dumped from therapy to therapy in an attempt to cure autism and by the time that kiddo gets home its dinner, bed time and then repeat the cycle the next day. This is no way to live! I would say that while the practitioner has a certain (and weighted) responsibility for what they do, the parents also bear a significant amount of that responsibility too!

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      1. Izzie, There is also anecdotal evidence from my elder gay friends that ABA originally did indeed try to force gays to be straight, including one report of shock. This is just the kind of thing being done to autistics today until we outlaw that, too!

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      2. As bazaare and nutty as is Applied Behavior Analys, here is the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis gearing up to target gays for ABA modification. In this lovely study they stick male penuses inside poisonous mercury filled tubes and arouse the dudes in ABA’s desperate attempt to try to figure out “scientifically” when gays got aroused. Another example of so-called “effective” ABA. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1311045/pdf/jaba00080-0017.pdf

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        1. My point is that ABA isn’t the only therapy that has been used to scare people straight. My secondary point is that this was wrong and unethical to do. My other point is that there have not been studies conducted in this area since…… the 60s… The article you’ve posted here is from 1962. There is not one article published in the RECENT literature on this topic because the science grew. People’s mindsets have changed. I’m sure there are a myriad of studies done by psychologists and psychiatrists (not aba practitioners) on this subject but I don’t see their theories or techniques being dismissed in the same way ABA is here.

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  12. Thank you for listening to the Autistic community, for having real ethics and critical thinking skills in an era where such things are increasingly rare, and for writing and posting this. I teach undergraduate psychology students, and I’ll be adding this piece to the reading list for my Professional Ethics and Critical Psychology courses.

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  13. I am just now recovering from an amazing week where I put on my first RPM (Rapid Prompting Method) workshop for 9 families with low verbal autistic kids and adults, so it was great to come across your well-written and comprehensive post (I was not the RPM ‘teacher’, I organized the workshop and brought her here). RPM is how Ido and Emma learned to communicate, and I highly recommend that you get involved in this growing grassroots community! There are groups forming across the country and in Ireland and Australia and more… it is a method that is just mind-blowing when you experience it. Just because a method is not ‘research based’ does not mean that it doesn’t work. Here is a link to Lenae Crandall’s H.E.E.D. RPM page, she is the amazing provider that just spent the week with us. Check out her videos of children communicating with RPM. She would be happy to talk with you!

    http://heedrpm.com

    and Thank You for writing about this!

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    1. RPM has many advantages and needs to become more known and used.

      It also has significant downsides, and it can be a problem when people promote as the end all and be all of supporting autistic people. (Particularly when it results in attempts at AAC being delayed — two year olds can use Speak For Yourself but they can’t use RPM and communication shouldn’t wait for readiness for academic instruction).

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      1. RPM is basically FC, which has been – time and again – demonstrated to produce FACILITATOR-originated output.

        PRT – pivotal response training – is a behaviour analytic way of working that uses more naturalistic approaches to reinforcement, using keystone behaviours as something to cascade other response patterns from.

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  14. I appreciate your viewpoint but couldn’t finish your post. I’m a devout humanist and I can’t help but challenge your language – “autistic” – really? Please endeavor to see individuals first. People have autism. ASD does not define an individual’s entire personhood. The way we communicate these thoughts matters.

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    1. Carmen, I understand why you bring up the issue of “person first”, BUT – many autistic people PREFER to be referred to as autistic – because it DOES define a great part of their personhood. Here is a link to several blog posts on the subject – http://autisticadvocacy.org/home/about-asan/identity-first-language/ – I hope it helps to clarify the reasoning.

      The best thing to do is to respect the choice of the person you are communicating with – which is what the author has done by using the word autistic.

      And a common thought from those who are on the autism spectrum – “if you have to SAY person first to SEE the person first, that’s a bigger problem”. Word choice is important – that’s why autistic was chosen, to honor those on the spectrum who are autistic and proud.

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      1. I can agree that respecting the choice of the individual is the most important. Thank you for bringing that into the dialogue.

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        1. :) I use “on the spectrum, autistic,” etc. interchangeably, but learned about the “autistic” preference from bloggers on the spectrum – before that, I used “with autism” also. It’s a learning curve :)

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    2. I can’t believe you are so ignorant and lazy as to leave this response. Autistic is the preferred usage of most Autistic people and if you had just done a second of research before speaking for us, you would already know that.

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    3. Getting caught up in language nitpicks rather than content is not a good way to promote respect. Lots of people with good ideas use less-than-ideal language to express them. (And, in fact, autistic is preferred language among many autistic people, myself included).

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  15. In the 1950s, the American military psychologist Margaret Singer investigated the effects of brainwashing (later called “thought reform”) on US soldiers caught in the Korean War. Later, she became a leading expert in cults and sects. In her book “Cults in Our Midst” she describes six conditions for a thought reform. Among others: “A change in behavior through to revaluation of the own experience, achieved by reward and punishment under restraint and seclusion.“ And that’s what makes ABA in my eyes. Although behaviorism as primarily in the US arisen branch of psychology rejects psychotherapy, especially psychoanalytical methods, and focuses mainly on the stimulus-response scheme, ABA uses precisely these methods of psychological/social influence. Therefore ABA has something somewhere destructive and cult-like to me. And of isolation we can certainly well speak, if a client is being influenced on 5 days 5 to 8 hours long per day, as it says the blog writer.

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  16. I’d like to add something: I had studied for psychology myself but hardly worked in the field. And I’m autistic myself.

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  17. And here is a third comment by me: I have translated the above post into German (I’m from Germany), and would like to ask the blog writer for permission to post that in our German autism groups on facebook, of course with quoting the source of the contribution.

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    1. Yes, definitely feel free to post and share it. I would be honored! Thank you for spreading awareness about ABA.

      Your comment about ABA using similar methodology as cults/thought reform movements is very interesting. More food for thought.

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  18. ABA, performed properly and by fully trained analysts, is one of the most important advances in the field of educating those with severe disabilities in many many years. I am sorry that some of you have had poor experiences with it, but it doesn’t make the science of human behaviors at fault. Maybe you need to look for better clinicians, or fully trained and certified behavior analysts. In many states, there is now also the designation of Licensed Behavior Analyst. Any therapy, done poorly or without complete understanding of the science behind it, can be damaging.

    I speak as the mother of two young adults with autism who have done extremely well because of their properly designed and executed ABA programs (which continue to this day), a lawyer who fought the system to get ABA recognized in schools in New York State, and as a Board Certified Behavior Analyst and Licensed Behavior Analyst.

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    1. A lot of the people I worked with were certified. I don’t think it’s as simple as people not being certified or trained enough. Again, I know that some things are called ABA that look pretty different than what I’ve described in this post. However, that doesn’t invalidate my own experience of the field. I believe that any ABA is wrong if it has any of the characteristics described here, based on what Autistic people have said about it. They’re the ones who experienced it first-hand, so we really need to be listening to what they’re saying first and foremost. I understand that it has been a very important part of your life, but I still hope you will take some time to listen to Autistic people.

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      1. She said she had two young adult children on the spectrum who have done well with ABA. I think that counts as talking to autistic people don’t you?

        Just yesterday I received an email from a past client (now university graduate) saying hi and thanking me for my help in his education.

        I practise ethical ABA. I don’t do any of the things in your post. But what I do is real ABA. I’m sorry you had a bad experience. I’m sorry some autistic people have had bad experiences. But don’t tar us all with the same brush. It is possible to use ABA in ethical respectful ways to make a positive difference. I do it everyday.

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        1. Talking “to” and talking “at” can seem an awful lot alike, don’t you think? Especially when we’re talking about a parent/child relationship… especially when all we know of this person are a couple of paragraphs on a blog, instead of this person’s relationship with his/her parents and how they treated him/her. Not to account for this person’s internal belief system (the unconscious belief system) about not only Autism, but disabilities, in general.

          Sorry. It doesn’t count, in my book, when the only Autistics you talk to are your children.

          Talk to adult Autistics. Get a clue.

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          1. I’ve been in the field for 20 years. I’ve worked with 15 month old babies up to adults in their 50s. I talk *to* children and adults with autism every day. I use ABA ethically and respectfully. I have more than a clue.

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        2. True, I should have acknowledged that what her sons think and feel about the therapy they’re receiving is very important. I didn’t mean to gloss over that. I still think it’s important to read the links in this post as well though, to learn about examples of harmful therapy.

          That’s awesome that your former client reached out again! And I’m so glad that you don’t do any of the things in this post. Thank you. Please know that I did put a disclaimer at the top that not all forms of ABA therapy may be as problematic as what I’m describing because the term “ABA” is used so broadly now.

          The bottom line is that the ABA I’ve described does exist. I hope you will join me in calling it out and bringing it to an end.

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        3. No, I don’t think that a parent’s perspective on their young child counts as the kind of consultation I’m talking about. And if you don’t understand the difference, then you’re an instance of the problem in behaviorist culture that I’m referring to.

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    2. All of the things described in this post are both widespread and permitted by the BACB code of ethics. It’s disingenuous to say that this somehow isn’t really ABA. If you don’t want to be judged by association with the mainstream professional culture of BCBAs, stop associating with it.

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  19. You express wonderfully the exact reasons why we refused to let any ‘professional’ use ABA on our three children. It’s cruel, upsetting for them, and it’s never the best approach to use. I’ve found that those parents who sing its praises only want their child to ‘appear’ normal. Well guess what? A child with autism is never going to to be ‘normal’, so to speak. We’re different, not less, just different! (Yes, I have autism too!) Treating them like lab-rats just so they act as nt children do, you end up with well trained rats! If that, as a parent, is what you want, maybe you need to change and become better parents rather than changing your child.

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    1. That’s not always the motivation — in some cases, a BCBA is the first person who ever tells a parent that their child is capable of learning, and the first person who ever makes any serious attempt to teach their child anything. That’s a huge reason why ABA is popular.

      It shouldn’t be popular, because ABA is not a good way to teach people and the emphasis on reinforcement tends to do tremendous harm.

      And it’s important to remember that a good percentage of parents don’t know that there are better ways, have seen their child make genuine progress with ABA, can’t see that harm is being done because their child looks happy and praises the therapist, and haven’t seen anyone else willing to teach their child in anything close to a serious way.

      This isn’t all just about parents wanting a normal child.

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  20. What therapy(ies) or teaching method(s) do autistic adults support or favor for autistic adults? My 19yo daughter is getting a relaxed form of ABA a handful of hours a week directed at developing her communication and independent living skills. I’ll try to check back here for an answer, or you can tweet me.

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    1. Speech/Language Pathology for Communication with an emphasis on Assistive Technology if she’s nonverbal or limited verbal. Occupational Therapy for Independent Living Skills. Neither of those things should be taught in a behavior setting. SLPs and OTs are trained specifically for exactly those two things. That’s all their fields are about – Speech and Language and Daily Living/Work Skills.

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      1. Also, “what kind of therapy” is kind of a misleading question, because what a lot of us want is for education to stop being seen as a medical treatment. We’re not sick, and teaching us isn’t medicine, it’s education.

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    2. Melody, I’m glad to see SLP with an emphasis on AT in your list. Affirms my choice of that field! LTOVenture, there’s a blog about a parent’s use of AAC for her kids with disabilities that might be helpful for more information about that:
      http://niederfamily.blogspot.com/

      Unstrange Mind has a post to answer that question here: https://unstrangemind.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/what-does-helpful-vs-harmful-therapy-look-like/

      Amythest also has a video about that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkd0I3lTvO8

      I’m sure there are plenty of other resources, so I encourage you to seek out Autistic adults for more information. And of course, if anyone else has anything to add, please do. That’s a great question, and I wish you the best as you navigate all the therapy options.

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  21. I think you’re a bit confused. ABA, or Applied Behavior Analysis is a branch of Behavior Analysis which is the study of behavior. It is a science not a therapy. You seem to be describing EIBI, or Early Intensive Behavioral Intervention. This therapy takes principles from ABA and puts them into practice. Also, I couldn’t imagine you actually did legitimate EIBI therapy due to the fact that we use people first language (people with autism) where you clearly don’t (“Autistic people”). While it would be far too time consuming to discuss all of the fallacies of this article, I would like to point out that the majority of EIBI therapies involve teaching children to speak for themselves and make choices for their own lives calling myth to several of your above points. I would like to also ask a question, what would be your alternative to EIBI?

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    1. Thank you for reading my post. I’m calling it ABA therapy because that’s what it was called at the place I worked. The people there also tended to use person-first language, but I’ve mostly moved away from it out of respect for Autistic self-advocates who largely prefer identity-first language. (See this page for more info on that: http://www.autistichoya.com/2011/08/significance-of-semantics-person-first.html)

      That may be true about the majority of EIBI/ABA/(whatever you want to call it) therapies, and I hope it is, though I don’t think either of us can really know that for sure. Anyway, that does not invalidate my own experience of ABA, and it doesn’t mean that the ABA that I’ve described in this post is nonexistent. The main message of this post is that any therapy for Autistic kids that has these characteristics is wrong, because these are things that many Autistic people have highlighted as being damaging to them. I hope you will take some time to read what Autistic people are saying.

      Your last question is great and very important. Please see the responses to LTOVenture’s comment above, as they asked the same thing.

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  22. There are so many factual errors I honestly don’t know where to begin. ABA is not a method. It is inherently empathic and rooted in using science to identify assessments and interventions that help individuals reach their desired outcomes. For every blogger with autism who speaks, remember there are those who cannot. And, if some of them could, I venture to think they would beg for people, like BCBAs who could help them to stop engaging in self harm and reduce the stereotypy that interferes with their lives. No one ever brings data or studies to counter the great contributions of ABA. You hear horror stories and anecdotes about bad practices. There are bad BCBAs just like there are bad doctors but you can’t let one bad apple destroy the bunch.

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    1. There are many Autistic people who don’t speak verbally and instead primarily use communication devices to express their thoughts (Amy Sequenzia, Ido Kedar, and Emma of Emma’s Hope Book are just a few of them). Many of them have blogs, and you’ll find some links to their blogs in this post if you would take the time to read what they have to say. I think it’s not only offensive to assume that you know what Autistic people would want, but dangerous. You cannot assume that. In fact, much of what they’re saying is in direct contradiction to what you’ve written.

      I’ve already written about why saying ABA is evidence-based and scientific does not mean it’s inherently ethical and helpful to Autistic people.

      Pointing out that not all ABA is like this doesn’t invalidate my own experience of it; I’ve already acknowledged at the beginning of my post that not all things that are called ABA are the same as what I’m describing here. But this form of ABA does exist. The main message of this post is that any therapy for Autistic kids that has these characteristics is wrong, because these are things that many Autistic people have highlighted as being damaging to them. Please take the time to read what Autistic people are saying.

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  23. I would like to point out that ABA is not a therapy, but a scientific field of study that focuses on learning and behavior. The teaching methods derived from it are Based on those principles. ABA simply describes and explains the environmental conditions in which we, human beings, learn and develop. These techniques will differ from person to person because they are and should be insivisualized. And as much as I agree with the fact that every child should be respected and treated with kindness, and allowed to express who they are as long as its not harming themselves or others, your point that Autistic children are absued by ABA just because they dont have a choice of what they do at certain times, or because reinforcers are withheld until they ask for them…well, then I think you are Disregarding the very simple fact that these things happen to every child and person alive on this planet. How many times has a parent withheld a toy or candy until a child asked for it correctly (“Can I have it please?”). Or when was the last time a “typically” developing child was given a choice on their bed time? Or about going to school? And even as adults, do you really have a choice to not go to work? You may say yes, but then you are punished by a severly diminished pay check. Hearing NO, or not always having a choice is a fact of life. Plus, is allowing a non vocal child to express their displeasure in a task by biting their own hand an ethical way to give that child a choice? Is that really respecting them? What is wrong with teaching that child an effective way to say no without hurting themselves? These kinds of things are simply the way learning works and to say that ABA is responsible for abusing children just because they aren’t always given a choice, or are asked to properly request for things they want, is to do the world a huge disservice. In this day and age, ABA is NOT about making people look less autistic or “normal”, but about giving children and adults the tools to make their life what they want it to be, and to succeed in their own life the best that they can. THATS what ABA is about.

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    1. I’m calling it ABA therapy because that’s what it was called at the place I worked.

      Yes, basic forms of reward and punishment are used in the wider world. However, we only use this very intensive form of it for Autistic kids. Teaching kids explicitly that they must earn any enjoyable activity, and teaching them this for hours a day for 5 days a week, is very different than the way reward/punishment is used in typical parenting. Also, there are some things that should not have to be earned or asked for, ever, such as food and breaks. Real Social Skills explains more about why this is damaging here: http://realsocialskills.org/post/110819268573/why-i-oppose-aba-as-a-method-of-instruction

      Nobody has said that Autistic kids should never hear the word no, but they should also never have to conform to someone else’s every demand. They need to learn that they have some autonomy over their own bodies and that they can express their limits.

      Of course very few people working in ABA would outwardly say that the goals are about making Autistic kids look “normal.” I encourage you to examine for yourself what the underlying reason and purpose is behind goals like extinguishing stim and teaching neurotypical play skills.

      This form of ABA does exist today. I was working as an ABA Therapist just last year. Pointing out that not all forms of ABA are like this does not invalidate my experiences of it. The main message of this post is that any therapy for Autistic kids that has these characteristics is wrong, because these are things that many Autistic people have highlighted as being damaging to them. Please take the time to read what Autistic people are saying and make sure that, if you are involved in the field at all, your therapy is not harmful. If you are about “giving children and adults the tools to make their life what they want it to be,” make sure you’re listening to Autistic people so you know what tools it is they actually want.

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      1. Tell us please “anxious advocate” where did you work? If you saw kids being abused then why didn’t you call the police? Why aren’t you revealing your identity? Why can’t you tell us where this school is and what it’s called? Surely if you were genuinely worried you would tell people so they could avoid this school. That’s a bit like a doctor botching surgery and me going on here to say stay away from medical doctors because they love to mess up your insides. They are called people with Autism because they are human-beings and individuals who happen to have a disability. You aren’t an advocate and certainly not for my son. You are a malicious person with the intent to harm.

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        1. Because none of the things they’re describing are illegal or even contrary to the BACB standards of practice. The police can only enforce the law. They can’t prevent harm that’s being done legally.

          Whether or not someone is an advocate for your son is not for you to say. That’s his call. He may agree with this blogger. He may agree with you. He may think something else entirely. It’s his call, and his alone. None of us can speak for him.

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        2. How do you know she did not tell her friends or go to the authorities in addition to writing this article? IMHO going to the authorities would be as useless and counterproductive as sombody in the year 1200 going to the authorities and saying this teacher is a fraud because he is teaching that the earth is flat. Unfortunatily like the earth is flat back in 1200 ABA is the consensus treatment for autism these days. Going against consensus can cost you your job, your friends and so on.

          This is not directed to you in particular but to all the person first language police reading this. I do not care what you call me, you should have the same acceptence to how I want to identify. The media, the schools, the psychology profession have decided we should be called “people with autism” . Sometimes people who call themselves “autistic” are corrected. I am turning 60 this year. I have almost 60 years more personal experience bieng autistic then most of you language police combined. In the words of Pete Townsend of The Who “Who are you?, Who the Fuck are You?”

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  24. We work towards habituation. Some people learn in very different, unnatural ways. ABA contrives environments to make it more beneficial to engage in socially valid behavior. The behavior of someone with an ASD is sometimes different from the social norm — and that’s OK and I always will ask whenever possible if it is OK for us to be doing our client/therapist work. However, when aberrant, maladaptive, or dangerous behavior interferes with habituation, learning, and leading an independent life, that individual and every primary stakeholder in that individual’s life has their both own quality of life across the lifespan forever altered — sometimes positively sometimes negatively. ABA is a powerful science with many applications that can help with these issues. As a professional in the field of special education you have A RESPONSIBILITY to be caring, compassionate at all times, but you also need to be effective. I clearly don’t need to cite the efficacy and effectiveness of ABA. Good luck moving forward, but this is outright, heavily biased misinformation sprinkled with appeals to emotion.

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    1. Thank you for reading my post. Yes, some people may learn in different unnatural ways, but it’s a problem if everyone just assumes that, instead of actually consulting the people they’re trying to teach. Many things that behaviorists consider to be “aberrant or maladaptive” and to “interfere with habituation, learning, and leading an independent life” actually have very important functions for Autistic people, such as stimming and eye contact, as I’ve already mentioned. That’s why it’s absolutely critical to be connected to Autistic people themselves. Please read what Autistic people are saying. I’ve already posted links to what they’ve said about aggressive/dangerous behaviors.

      I’ve also already written about why saying ABA is evidence-based and scientific does not mean it’s inherently ethical and helpful to Autistic people.

      Everyone has bias based on their own experiences. You yourself are biased in favor of ABA, but it’s critical to examine those biases. I stand by what I’ve written, emotional appeals and all.

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      1. all I could think of when my dog was a puppy an I had him in social skills dog trying class was this is ABA for puppy’s while it work great for him .i don’t think we should be treated the same .if I had a child like me .i do or try some other therapies as I didn’t like how that made me feel .an I wasn’t HF as a child earthier

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      1. She doesn’t use her name, there is no photo of her and she said that she witnessed kids being abused. Why didn’t she phone the police? Why is she writing an anonymous blog and refusing to say what school she worked in? I smell a lie and a witch hunt.

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      2. agree with jhyfler that is. He’s not biased because he knows the science. You do not!

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  25. I couldn’t agree more with this entire article. Bravo! As a parent of a grown child with ASD, who spent 3 years in ABA therapy I can honestly say it was the worst and most damaging experience my son had while growing up. To this day at 24 years of age he still suffers from trust issues that I strongle believe are caused by those three horrible, painful years!

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  26. I’d like to know if those who are defending ABA so adamantly have read ALL of the links provided with and in this blog.

    Of course, not all ABA is bad.

    But if you take the time to read the links included here, which are written by autistics – NOT ALL OF THEM SPEAK, not that that matters because they are all AUTSITIC, and that is the important thing – you will learn something.

    Stop defending and listen.

    Of course, there is an emotional appeal in this post. Because this post is about the damage inflicted on autistic people by practitioners of ABA. YOU may not be practicing in this manner. But it happens, it has happened, and will continue to happen until non-autistic people stop and LISTEN to autistic people in whatever way they communicate.

    Read the links included here.

    Read the links.

    Stop reacting. Stop defending, and READ THE LINKS. Listen to autistic people who have EXPERIENCED ABA. Then do what you can to fix the problems. Because they exist whether you want to believe it or not.

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    1. how should we fix the problem?

      I practise ethical ABA, I do none of the things listed here, but articles like this just tar us all with the same brush – how does that help the community?

      Why not label the clinic she worked for? why not go to them and discuss her concerns and get them to change?

      This blog isn’t going to improve bad aba clinics. But it will make less families choose a valid treatment option. There are plenty of us using ABA properly to respectfully help. Putting us all under the same umbrella doesn’t help anyone.

      What’s described here? Is bad ABA. It’s not ABA.

      All people are talking about is why they won’t do ABA.

      I went to an expo on the weekend and introduced myself to a carers agency hoping to work with them to get support for the parents of my clients – they heard I do ABA and end of conversation.

      I can’t fix bad ABA but you seem to be saying that’s what we need to stop and do.

      Instead I’m going to continue to respectfully treat my clients and show them the sky is the limit and I am here to support them on their journey. I’m going to listen to the families that are grateful for my help. To the kids (some now adults) that I have treated over the years who keep in touch and thank me for the differences I have made. They’ve experienced ABA too. ABA done well. ABA done right. It exists. Whether you believe it or not.

      The author and her advocates keep telling us to speak to autistic people – I do – every day. I help them find their voice and treat them with respect and dignity as every person deserves.

      I am sorry some people have experienced bad ABA. But this blog is not going to fix that.

      http://www.autismclassroomnews.com/2015/03/applied-behavior-analysis-what-it-is.html

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      1. I did go to them and discuss my concerns. I talked about it in my post.

        I understand your frustration about criticisms of your field, but please realize that these are very valid criticisms. You yourself may not practice ABA therapy in the exact way that I’ve described. I’m glad if that’s true. But that doesn’t change the fact that many other people in the field of behaviorism and ABA are doing these exact things. And I’ve already acknowledged so many times that there may be forms that are less problematic. I’m really getting tired of BCBAs and behaviorists derailing the discussion by explaining that not all ABA therapy is similar to what I’ve described here. Regardless, the therapy I described still exists, and *that* is the problem.

        The code of ethics for BCBAs explicitly states that aversives are okay as a last resort. That is a problem endemic to the field. You personally may not be practicing that way, but you’re still part of a field that uses those methods. I don’t like it either, but it’s just a fact. The form of ABA therapy I did *is* considered ethical under those standards. ABA therapy that uses electroshock is still considered ethical (look up the Judge Rotenberg Center). And these are huge problems that continue to this day. The Judge Rotenberg Center is going to be featured at the ABA International conference, for god’s sake (https://www.abainternational.org/events/annual/sanantonio2015/exhibitors.aspx). That’s why I wish you would join me in calling out abusive therapy and bringing it to an end instead of being offended by my criticisms of it, but to me, your post makes it sound like you don’t care that it even exists.

        I believe that harmful, abusive therapy is far more dangerous than no therapy. And ABA therapy is far from the only option for Autistic kids.

        I also want you to know that it’s completely disrespectful and irresponsible to brush off Autistic people’s accounts of the abuse they’ve suffered as a result of the ABA therapy they went through. Please read this post before you comment again: http://realsocialskills.org/post/99822366632/if-you-want-me-to-believe-youre-a-good

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      2. You are judged by the company you keep. If you don’t want to be associated with those practices, why are you a member of a professional association that permits them and a professional culture that encourages them?

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  27. So if not ABA then what do you use as aka gushed intensive program for high functioning children? What to you use to curb tantrums, sensory seeking behaviors?

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    1. Hi Cindy – here’s a link that might be helpful for you re. the tantrum issue. If it’s a tantrum, that’s different from a meltdown, and needs to be handled differently.

      http://ollibean.com/2015/01/13/autistic-meltdown-or-temper-tantrum/

      Re. sensory seeking behaviors – have you read The Out of Sync Child? Sensory seeking behaviors serve a purpose in some cases, and are a sign of disregulation in others. An OT should be able to help channel the sensory seeing into other things.

      Do you have examples of the behaviors that you find need to be curbed?

      The issue is the kids who are sensory seeking NEED the (what we consider) extra sensory input. Channeling them into socially safe ones is ideal, but the need is real – you may want to look into some sensory toys, etc (stimtastic.co has great stuff) that can give the needed input.

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  28. I am appalled and surprised that you were apparently working in the ABA field without exposure to functional analysis and functional behavior assessment or even ABC data collection? The first thing we do as BCBAs is look at the reasons behind the behavior and help the child figure out a more effective way to get his or her needs met, including how to communicate independently “no” and to ask for an escape/break from demands (via sign language, vocally, picture exchange or an iPad program). I find it troubling that the “autistic adults” you refer to so often state that they speak for/represent the autistic community. Their experiences are just that, their experiences, and don’t reflect those of my family member or others who overcame extremely dangerous – literally life threatening -behavior problems. My family member has become an extremely happy adult through the use of properly implemented ABA.

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    1. We did do functional analysis and and functional behavior assessments and ABC data collection. But still many of the kids were not allowed to stim, were forced to make eye contact, and had to learn neurotypical “play skills,” despite having valid reasons for why they either did or didn’t do those things. I’m glad that you do teach the things you’ve mentioned, but please realize that the ABA therapy I’ve described does exist. I was part of it. Just because your experience was different does not invalidate my own.

      Every Autistic person’s experiences are going to be different, obviously, but it’s a pretty big red flag if many of them are writing about how harmful the ABA therapy they received was. It’s completely disrespectful to simply brush that off. You have an obligation to read their experiences, and I hope you will. And if you also disagree with the ABA therapy I’ve described in this post, then I hope you will join me in calling it out and bringing it to an end.

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  29. I’m awfully sorry about your experience in ABA. Just as in any profession there are the good and bad.

    I’m currently in early intervention where a blend of DTT, errorless learning, naturalistic learning and Montessori/Teacch are being used with wonderful results. I’m proud of the work I’m doing and noticeable differences I’m making with my children daily.

    The field of ABA sadly has grown tremendously to meet demand. I have seen the unethical side of practices but for the most part I’ve seen more good than bad. Partnerships in all areas therefore are based on solid relationships. Seek to understand before assume is important in all facades of our life.

    I hope others can agree. And again I’m sorry to learn about your experience.
    http://www.fromthistothatearlylearning.com

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    1. You yourself may not practice ABA therapy in the way that I’ve described (and I’ve already acknowledged so many times that there may be forms that are less problematic). I’m glad if you don’t. But that doesn’t change the fact that many other people in the field of behaviorism, including ABA, are doing these exact things.

      The code of ethics for BCBAs (http://www.bacb.com/index.php?page=57 and http://www.bacb.com/Downloadfiles/BACB_Compliance_Code.pdf) explicitly states that aversives are okay as a last resort, which could include electroshock (look up the Judge Rotenberg Center). That is a problem endemic to the field. You personally may not be practicing that way, but you’re still part of a field that uses those methods. I don’t like it either, but it’s just a fact. The form of ABA therapy I did *is* considered ethical under those standards. Behavioral therapy that uses aversives is still considered ethical. And these are huge problems. The Judge Rotenberg Center was just featured at the ABA International conference, for god’s sake (https://www.abainternational.org/events/annual/sanantonio2015/exhibitors.aspx). This is not a matter of a few bad practitioners violating the ethical standards, it’s a matter of the ethical standards being flawed in and of themselves. So please, join me in calling out abusive therapy and bringing it to an end.

      Please read this post by Real Social Skills:
      http://realsocialskills.org/post/99822366632/if-you-want-me-to-believe-youre-a-good

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  30. She doesn’t use her name, there is no photo of her and she said that she witnessed kids being abused. Why didn’t she phone the police? Why is she writing an anonymous blog and refusing to say what school she worked in? I smell a lie and a witch hunt.

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    1. Wow, “Gabrielsmummy” can you just shut up? She probably doesn’t post a photo because people like you would use it to dox and abuse her. How about you stop mocking and listen? I don’t care if this post is two or more years old, just SHUT UP.

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      1. Her name is Emily and her full name is publicly available on the internet. These nasty ABAers are on the warpath again. Do your homework, ABA Controllers, before you accuse! Talk about “abnormal devianr problem behavior! Fix youselves! Ha! We are your CounterControllers. Get used to it!

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  31. Very heated commentaries in response to someone’s opinion on a treatment method. The interesting thing is that the argument is about using behaviour as treatment method for a neurological disorder. The core focus should be on the cause – how do we get both sides of the brain to integrate and not think/process so linear. I believe one researcher dubbed it the extreme form of a male brain. If this is the case what can be done neurological to correct this (hemispheric patterning).

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    1. Very heated commentaries indeed. It’s worth pointing out that a lot of Autistic people don’t even view Autism as a disorder, but instead as a natural variation in the wiring of the brain, and therefore a lot of them are against finding a cure or correction, as you put it. I encourage you to look up the neurodiversity movement for more information.

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  32. Interesting. I found ABA worked well with my son when he wanted to do it. As soon as he didn’t he either did the bare minimum to get onto the next trial or kicked off big time. We binned it.

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  33. From studying abnormal psychology years and years ago…I recall the behaviorist was Pavlov back in the late 1800’s…studying animal behaviour. There were adaptations to human behavior where Skinner came into play then Lovaas.

    There were others inbetween too but then we go too deep into the history of psychology. I love the diversity of opinions.

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  34. This anxious advocate is throwing the attention on to ABA. However, everyone is too busy arguing this out than to get some straight answers fro her/him. I am uncomfortable listening to this person detailing horrific abuse at a school. I for one want her to report it to the police. I might contact the police myself and they can find out her IP address. If she hasn’t reported this horrific crime then she in turn must be arrested.

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    1. I don’t think you have read this blog accurately. No where did she describe “horrific abuse at a school”… Can you quote me a place where she did in the actual post? Surely you can give me an example. If not, I hope you can stop trolling because it’s pretty annoying to read.

      Now to withhold my treat because I fed the troll.

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  35. People need to understand that this article is inaccurately describing what “ABA” actually is. ABA is the science of behavior. Each and every person utilizes or is controlled by the science of behavior on a daily basis. Does your employer not pay you until after a day’s work? That’s ABA. Do you not give your child dessert unless they’ve eaten their vegetables? That’s ABA. Do you pick up your baby when they cry? Whether you do or don’t, you guessed it… It’s ABA. ABA should never be pigeon-holed inti the tactics in this article. For example, DTT, which every BCBA will admit is not always appropriate or necessary for every child. Look into incidental teaching, which I guarantee if you saw a video of it, most novice viewers would have no idea they are witnessing “ABA”. Can the tools based on ABA be applied incorrectly or ineffectively? Of course. That’s the problem here… Not ABA itself. It’s ineffective practitioners who are incorrectly implementing programs and inadequately training staff.

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    1. Yes, basic forms of reward and punishment are used in the wider world. However, we only use this very intensive form of it as therapy for Autistic kids. Teaching kids explicitly that they must earn any enjoyable activity, and teaching them this for hours a day for 5 days a week, is very different than the way reward/punishment is experienced in the average person’s daily life. Real Social Skills explains more about why this is damaging here: http://realsocialskills.org/post/110819268573/why-i-oppose-aba-as-a-method-of-instruction Also, there are some things that kids should not have to earn or ask for, ever, such as food and breaks.

      I’ve said this so many times and in the post itself: there may be forms of ABA therapy that are less problematic than what I’ve described here. I still believe that everybody working in the field of behaviorism and ABA as a whole needs to read about these experiences that Autistic people have had to ensure that their therapy is not part of the problem. Even the people I worked with considered their own ABA therapy to be good. Please do take the time to read the links in this post and listen to what Autistic people are saying. And if you disagree with the ABA therapy that I’ve described here, then please, join me in calling it out and bringing it to an end. Because it does exist.

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      1. I just try to get though each day an a good day for me is not having a meltdown or some sencorey thing to make me upset .really can’t think about all the words everyone wants to be call .as long as someone just dosent assume I’m dumb or whatever I’m good .got to much just living with plan autism an ld

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      2. My biggest concern about ABA professional culture is the assumption that having a BCBA certificate, working hard and meaning well somehow make it impossible to do serious harm. Every single pro-ABA comment posted so far has expressed that attitude.

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    1. I’ve just finished watching all of the videos. I’m glad that you’ve sought out Autistic people and their opinions of ABA. That’s very important. I do still want to encourage you to read the links in return that I’ve provided in this post so that you get a well-rounded opinion from other Autistic people who haven’t had the same experiences.

      I completely respect the opinions of the people in these videos. People in the Autistic community have said that everyone has a different relationship to their Autism. However, until a child is old enough to fully understand and articulate their feelings about being Autistic, I think it’s better to err on the side of caution when it comes to therapy that is meant to normalize. Eli doesn’t seem to mind that some ABA programs champion indistinguishability from peers and normalization, but many other Autistic people have specifically identified those things as being very harmful. In one of the other videos, for example, Alex mentions that he doesn’t believe ABA should stop kids from stimming or that it should have the goal of “curing” Autism. It seems that Eli disagrees and doesn’t consider these things problematic, which I respect, but since that’s not the case for every Autistic person, I don’t think we should ever assume that an Autistic child wants to go through therapy that’s meant to normalize them. If there’s even a chance that they can develop post-traumatic stress from that kind of therapy, and many Autistic people have said that they have, then I would be very careful about making that decision *for* a child. I personally am against those kinds of therapies because, overwhelmingly, it seems to have very negative effects on Autistic people’s self-esteem (again, see the links).

      Apart from that, the details of their ABA therapy is not clear for most of the videos. I already acknowledged that some ABA therapy may not be as problematic as what I’ve described in my post.

      One thing I noticed is that a lot of them emphasize the skills that they learned as the result of ABA, but they don’t really speak to whether it helped them feel accepted and accommodated for being Autistic, which I would have been interested to hear more about. I also think it’s cool that Eli is going into ABA, and I’m very interested to hear what his experiences of the field are.

      Anyway, please read the links in this post as well. I respect these views, but I still stand by what I’ve written.

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  36. The points brought up in this article are valid, important, and should be considered and understood by all ABA professionals; however the ultimate anti-ABA stance/bashing of this article is irresponsible and possibly damaging. I have worked in ABA for nearly 10 years, and I have indeed witnessed unethical programs, such as the one the author was a part of. HOWEVER the way in which certain individuals implemented the ABA techniques does NOT represent ABA. Applied Behavior Analysis IS a science as the Author stated, and it is a very effective science that consists of several different techniques that can be implemented in many many ways. The techniques of ABA are not inherently unethical, and in fact, many Behavior Analysts place a huge emphasis on being ethical in our decisions. In fact, as an example, I have a 14 year old individual I am working with who threatened to stab his step father. A huge part of my assessment included speaking with the individual about his concerns, how he feels he is mistreated by his family, what his goals are.

    The author of this article (as well as the people with Autism that were referenced) very likely worked with people who were using the principles and techniques of ABA in an inappropriate and unethical way. My opinion, as I stated in the beginning, is that the points brought up in this article are ESSENTIAL to understand and be aware of when practicing ABA, but the stance of this article is dangerous. This article may deter people from seeking ABA who really need it. Individuals with autism who want to learn to communicate in different ways, or individuals who engage in very dangerous aggressive or self harming behavior. Furthermore, I feel that the Author’s decision (from the stance of wanting to help individuals with autism) was made in ignorance (not meant in an insulting way, and was irresponsible. The more mature and responsible decision, if the author had the goal to continue in the field of helping individuals with disabilities, would have been to recognize these malpractices, and set out to make a change in the field of ABA, to bring awareness and make a change. As I said, the points in this article are very important, but a better stance would have been, rather than saying “ABA is terrible and unethical” saying, “ABA can be very beneficial, BUT ABA practitioners NEED to keep these points in mind”.

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    1. “Some of us even ask people about their perspectives when we put them on behavior plans” is not exactly an argument leading me to reconsider my position on the nature of ABA professional culture.

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  37. Reblogged this on Irma Zoulane and commented:
    Reblogging this view from the inside of the field by a former ABA practitioner.
    A must-read article, including numerous links to testimonies by adult autistics, and the real deal on why ABA is detrimental to people who simply function differently: beyond “efficiency” for superficial behavior modification, ABA is hurtful.
    To me the baseline is this: if you wouldn’t do it to a non-autistic kid or adult… then don’t do it! Thanks for this article.

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    1. I normally don’t bother to express my opinion on someone else’s blog- but ‘institutionalised child abuse’ ? I have to respond to defend what I am seeing working brilliantly for my son- he’s not in any institution but in hike with me & he only attends a mainstream nursery with his typical peers.
      I am not an ABA professional, but a medical doctor. I live in the UK where ABA is not offered in the mainstream (NHS or most local authority schools) unless parents legally challenge the local authority to get it funded.
      So when my son got a diagnosis imagine my shock when most research I did showed ABA as an effective early intervention for Autism , but it wasn’t provided by the state health system or education system…. What they offer is intensive interaction as its ‘cost effective’- is it effective for my son? Well no one assess or knows what else to do if we stuck to the state services ! So in the 4 group speech therapy sessions we were offered when my son didn’t engage much but wanted to run around, play with light switches / curtains etc I got told ‘oh let him run, wait for him to come back & just play alongside him, don’t actually talk to him’. But I didn’t go straight for ABA as I read about this PTSD you are talking about & did not want my son to experience any psycological trauma in future.
      So there I was knowing my son could say a few random words once in a blue moon, have some non verbal communication (different crys/ grunts) but mainly remain silent & aloof.
      The SLT suggested PECS (which uses ABA principles) and I was amazed at how quickly he went from stage 1 to stage 4… This made me look into ABA again as he was doing so well when he was reinforced with what he wanted…
      Luckily I found ABA VB- no one promised us a recovery but we decided to try it anyway-
      I wasted 3 months post diagnos deciding wether or not to do ABA… Having started ABA- VB We haven’t looked back- my non verbal child is now requesting verbally & adding more & more words to his vocabalary. He is more attentive of things going on around him, what we say to him. He’s also gaining self help skills- from toilet training to dressing & undressing, he’s learning phonics, colours, shapes ‘.. All these have been specifically targeted & thought to him…. I have not even seen anything close to ‘abuse’.
      Be enjoys his ‘ABA play’ sessions – he actually is a keen learner who didn’t know how to- but now that we break the skills down its easier for him to grasp & he’s also showing us his strengths…. We enjoy lots of activities together – baking pizzas & cakes, parks & shopping, messy plays & water plays…. We involve his baby brother as much as we can & he’s generally getting more tolerant….
      Even he’s more aware & responsive to his peers in nursery… We have a long way to go, but we have already come a long way from tantruming, just running up & down & jumping all day, still in nappies 3 yr old we were upto 4 months ago….
      I read through your article looking for specific instances where you felt you were asked to ‘abuse’ kids- all I read is ‘happy clients’ but then in the evening you going & reading about other autistic people’s experiences of ABA…. If you saw abuse you should have reported it rather than feeling sorry for the ‘kids I care about still in ABA’- have you actually had experience of parents abusing their child? I have as a medic & the first thing i do when I encounter any suspicion of abuse is get the appropriate authorities involved & ensure the safety of the child.
      You see here in UK we have a shortage of ABA therapists- I had to recruit mine from university & nursery & train them with the help of our BCBA…. My son gets along well with them & actually greets them with big smile… Its successful pairing….
      So it’s disheartening that blogs like this are being shared all over my FB page- your post claiming to be your experience as ABA therapist warning others not to enter the field? So what no one should do ABA & kids like mine should never be helped? Or rather we left an untrained TA to ‘babysit’ him because he isn’t going to learn the way his peers do?
      I agree we shouldn’t punish someone for being different ( I won’t use the word ‘neurotype’ as it implies it’s something like a different phenotype- there is no such neurotype has been identified in autistics or non autistics- it’s a developmental difference not a different type of neurome) By denying my child an education that suits his learning style especially in the early years & by expecting him to imitate & learn from his surroundings like his typically developing peers – that is when I believe he’s being punished for being differently abled. As for the voices of autistics who speak against ABA they should definitely be heard – but also kept in mind get are talking about ABA as they experienced it- it doesn’t imply it’s ABA as every child experiences it. And as for your claim that children shouldn’t be forced to do what they don’t want – am presuming you don’t have any children autistic or otherwise -young children need to be guided- taught what to do to an extent- so say my non autistic son doesn’t like math – should i let it go& say he doesn’t want to learn Math, so let’s not teach him?
      And in terms of abolishing stims- we
      Don’t do that if the behaviour has a purpose & is not harmful- my son jumps excitedly when he is happy/excited- we let him express his happiness that way…. But he also likes to put rasins up his nose- this I stop as it can be dangerous.
      And I do not think you have even given a thought to the parents who genuinely want to do the best for their child- I hope you don’t end up having an autistic child – because if you do & you follow your own advise you are going to deny him effective education just because he/she is autistic.

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      1. Thanks for sharing your story. It’s great to hear about all your son’s accomplishments in his ABA program. I’ve already acknowledged that there may be some forms of ABA that are less problematic than what I’ve described here. However, the kind of ABA therapy I described does exist, and many Autistic people have described those forms of ABA as abusive. That’s what I meant when I used the term “abuse.” Reporting it to the authorities wouldn’t do anything because this is a legal therapy that’s actively encouraged and paid for by insurance companies.

        About compliance training: yes, kids are going to have to sometimes do things they don’t like, but there should always be a good reason for why they need to do it and they should get *some* say in decisions about them. A child has to learn some math skills because it’s necessary to live in the world. However, in the ABA therapy I did, kids had to follow a therapist’s *every* demand simply because they demanded it. That’s way too extreme and teaches a child that they have absolutely no autonomy over their own bodies. That’s what I mean when I say I’m against compliance-based therapy. It doesn’t mean kids get to do whatever they want. It just means I’m against compliance-based therapy, because it can send the message to kids that they have no control whatsoever. I recommend watching Amythest’s video about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_ETWtD1_Dk

        I don’t doubt for a second that you care deeply about your son, and this post was never meant as an attack on any parents. I’m not a parent at all, so that’s definitely not my place. I just want parents to be fully aware that there is harmful therapy out there, and sometimes it’s not always apparent that it’s harmful. That’s why I would still encourage you to read the links I’ve posted here. A lot of kids may make progress through ABA therapy, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s not harmful to them emotionally and psychologically. They may be learning very valid skills, and yet still feel devalued or invalidated for who they are in the process. Just wanted to mention that. But, if your son is truly enjoying the therapy and it’s making him feel accepted and accommodated, then that’s great, and I’m happy to hear it.

        In addition to Amythest’s video, I recommend that you start exploring the links by also reading Unstrange Mind’s essay about ABA: https://unstrangemind.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/aba/

        I wish you and your son all the best.

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        1. I’m still unsure of how enforcing compliance within an ABA program is different to any parent/teacher enforcing compliance on a neurotypical child… where/when does ‘schooling’ become the abuse you have written about? Asdhope gave you the math example to make this point and you came back with a vague response about the autistic child needing to meet the therapist’s ‘every’ demand – implying that some demands constitute abuse. Can you give us some clear examples where demands made by following ABA become abuse please, as I’m struggling to see how the requirement for autistic kids to follow every demand of their therapists is different from the requirement of neurotypical kids to follow every demand of their school teachers. When providing your examples please also explain for each of them why that example typifies ABA.

          Now I expect you’re going to tell me to read the links. So let me save you the time – I have. They make for an interesting collection of anecdotes and amateur hypothesis. I’m afraid the fact that many of them come from autistic people does not change the fact they are anecdotal or hypothetical and not grounded in science. Unstrangemind hypothesises that the compliance element of ABA will create an adult more open to being exploited or abused. It’s a reasonable theory – a thought that has crossed my own mind many times as a parent of a little boy undergoing a successful ABA program – but the truth is that there is no empirical data to support that theory. Meanwhile, the counterargument that ABA develops skills that will serve to defend the autistic person against exploitation or abuse would seem at least equally valid; and there is strong data to evidence that ABA does develop those skills.

          As others have stated, your presentation of anecdotal experiences to make a case does not stand up to the scientific data and meanwhile there are an overwhelming collection of positive anecdotes one could add to the debate – but which you choose to ignore. I prefer to rely on the scientific evidence and would encourage others to do the same.

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          1. I’ll do my best to explain compliance training better. (Huge trigger warning to any Autistic people who are reading and may have been through compliance training.) Yes, as I’ve said, the whole idea is that a client has to follow a therapist’s every command. This is a problem in and of itself, because a child needs to know that they have some autonomy over their own lives. If a child is taught that they must obey every adult in their lives no matter what the cost to themselves and no matter how they try to communicate the valid reasons that they don’t want to do something, then that takes a very big toll on their mental health. And this is especially dangerous to teach to kids who may already have difficulty understanding interactions with other people.

            However, it’s even worse when the things that therapists demand are actively harmful to the child. Some examples of things that are harmful to the child are not allowing them to stim and, for many kids, forcing eye contact (the posts I’ve linked to describe this in more detail). These things may actually cause the child physical pain and exhaustion because they’re not being able to regulate or move in a way that helps them cope with overwhelming sensory input. If they try to communicate that – by crying, refusing, acting out, whatever – adults just completely steamroll over them because they’re so caught up in not reinforcing “bad behaviors.” So you can’t “give in.” In fact, by this logic, a child getting upset by a command is just all the more reason to make sure that they do whatever you’re asking, not a sign to step back and reconsider whether you should even be asking them to do it in the first place. A non-speaking child may ONLY be able to communicate that something is painful, anxiety-provoking, or unnatural to them by crying, refusing, or even being aggressive. But too many BCBAs and ABA therapists practicing this kind of therapy never take the time to really research why a child doesn’t want to do something, or that what they’re asking might be harming the child. And maybe some of them just don’t care.

            This also goes for every single thing a therapist teaches, no matter how silly the demand. So if you’re singing a song and you tell your client to clap like you are, then you have to make sure that they clap, just because you told them to. Or if you’re teaching neurotypical play skills and you tell them to make a horse jump, then they *have* to make that horse jump, because you told them to. If they don’t follow your command, then there are all kinds of creative ways that therapists use to force compliance. A lot of times, you’ll just end up physically taking their hands and doing the action for them. Sometimes you’ll just repeat the command over and over and over again in a monotone. Sometimes you’ll repeatedly tap their hand. If you’re using aversives, maybe this is a time where you’ll spray them in the face with water as punishment. You’ll likely remove all rewards and attention, even refusing to look at them, as part of coercing them into compliance. And this may go on for hours, because usually treating kids this way makes them even more upset (and rightfully so), but you can’t give in, so on and on it goes.

            Anyone who treats neurotypical kids this way is just as wrong, but there’s not an entire therapy that actively advocates for such an approach. That’s reserved especially for Autistic kids. This kind of dynamic is completely different than the way neurotypical kids are treated in an average school. Yeah, sometimes kids might act out if they don’t want to do something and teachers might have to discipline them, but it’s just not done in a way that completely invalidates and dehumanizes that child. I hope that makes sense. This is a good quote about it from a post by Real Social Skills (http://realsocialskills.org/post/110819268573/why-i-oppose-aba-as-a-method-of-instruction):

            “It’s dangerous to make a kid do things that make no sense to them over and over and over while relying on extrinsic reinforcement. That teaches them that people in positions of power can do whatever they want to them, and that they have no right to protest or understand or influence things. ABA leaves people subject to it very, very vulnerable to abuse. Extreme conditioned obedience is dangerous, and it’s the most persistently reinforced behavior in ABA therapy. It’s generalized to other environments, and does not go away once therapy ends.”

            Yes, ABA is scientific and evidence-based, based on the fact that some kids progress rapidly, acquire many new and useful skills, and (oftentimes) come out looking “less Autistic” because they’ve been taught to suppress stim, make eye contact, and whatever else. If that’s your only basis of defining whether a therapy is effective, then yes, ABA is effective. However, I’m of the opinion that a therapy can’t truly be called effective if it can cause someone to feel self-hatred, to feel that who they are is inherently wrong, and maybe even to develop post-traumatic stress. I don’t care how many useful skills that child learns – if they’re being taught those skills in such a way that their emotional and psychological health suffers, then to me, that therapy cannot be considered effective. The ends do not justify the means. Here, again, is my example of how any method can be considered “effective” under that definition:

            “If someone beat a child to prevent him from doing something they didn’t like, he would probably stop doing it, and they could then say beating is an “effective” method. They could even take data as part of a scientific study to show you that their child’s behaviors decreased after they started beating him. But obviously, that doesn’t mean anyone should beat a child. That doesn’t mean it’s not abusive when a child is beaten. That doesn’t mean that child will grow up feeling healthy and happy about who he is. Abuse is never okay, and science cannot address the ethics of a method.”

            Maybe someday, someone will send a questionnaire to Autistic people about their experiences in ABA therapy, collect and score the responses, anaylze it, and reveal that many, many Autistic people have had very bad therapy experiences. They’ll get it published in a scientific journal, and because you can now call it a scientific study, maybe people will finally stop invalidating their experiences. Maybe people will put more stock into the reality of abusive therapy because it now has the word “science” attached to it, even though that’s what Autistic people have been saying all along.

            I know not all Autistic people have had the same experiences of ABA therapy. You’ll see that someone sent me some examples of Autistic people who described ABA therapy as a positive experience, even the kind that had normalization at its core, and their experiences are just as valid. However, the fact that so many Autistic people have had abusive experiences is still a huge red flag. If there’s even a chance that a child can develop post-traumatic stress from that kind of therapy, as many Autistic people have said they have, then I would be very careful about making that decision *for* a child. I personally am against those kinds of therapies because, overwhelmingly, it seems to have very negative effects on Autistic people’s self-esteem.

            Again, the science supporting ABA is only looking at outward measures of success, in terms of acquired skills and reduced behaviors. It’s not looking at the inward effects, on how the ABA therapy I’ve described affects a person’s emotional state and view of the world. Thankfully, we have Autistic people to provide that perspective. If you’re comfortable using science to completely brush off all the accounts of the abuse Autistic people have suffered as a result of ABA therapy, then I don’t really know what else I can say to you. That’s your decision.

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            1. It’s important that any parent considering early intervention does so based on evidence and logic, not supposition and emotion, so I’ll do my best to explain why the strength of your conviction does nothing to validate it.

              You hypothesise that ABA puts autistic children at long term risk of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). You base your hypothesis entirely on an opinion that ABA is inherently abusive and evidence drawn from a relatively small number of anecdotes from autistic adults who underwent ABA programs earlier in life.

              The counterargument is that (i) ABA has been shown through science to afford access to real skills for many autistic children (ii) there is no scientific evidence linking PTSD with ABA interventions and (iii) there are (at least as many) anecdotes from autistics who cite ABA as a positive experience.

              You have conceded the points made in the counterargument but you mitigate your concession with the counterview that ‘if there’s even a chance that a child can develop PTSD’ then ABA should not be entertained as an intervention.

              This kind of thinking is deeply flawed. Ostensibly you are saying that if just one autistic claims that ABA left him/her traumatised then no other evidence is important. But that would mean one could draw the same conclusions you make about ABA to anything that any individual has ever reported as traumatic. I know many neurotypical people who would say that school was a traumatic experience for them – nobody would suggest education should be abandoned as a result.

              Turning again to your opinion that ABA is inherently abusive, you base this entirely on the requirement of the child to comply with the instructions of their adult therapist. But your comparison to child–beating is offensive and you have said nothing to explain how the requirement of compliance is different from what is expected of any child under adult supervision. Have you never watched ‘Supernanny?’ All children are expected all the time to do things they do not want to do… they react all the time in ways like crying and acting out… and responsible parents do not accept those behaviours. Yet we do not live in a world full of passive, traumatised adults.

              I remember when we first embarked on ABA with my son when he was three and a half. He had to be physically forced to sit at the table. That was the first day, but by the end of the first week he would come running over when called. If we had listened to your advice we would have stopped on that first day, fearful of the damage we were doing. And today our five year old would still be unable to look me in the eye… or use the toilet… or feed himself… or say ‘I love you, daddy.” He would not be top of his class in reading and writing. Instead of singing he’d still be stimming… instead of laughing he would still be crying. That is the potential that ABA unlocked in our son but you would prefer it if we had left him shut off from the world. I’ll let others decide which approach is the more abusive.

              As a final comment for any parents reading this I’d urge you – don’t listen to the author’s emotive anecdotal words and don’t listen to mine. Instead place your trust in the validated evidence – the link below should provide a useful summary for you.

              https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/CommitteeMeetingDocument/13979

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            2. regarding the ‘beating’ aspect: that was done to me while I was growing up. Granted, the people in question were most likely ‘personality disordered’ (NPD, ASPD) but still.

              Look up ‘Screams, Slaps, and Love’. Early ‘ABA’ / Behavior modification used *physical* punishment / torture, if the article was indeed correct; and, I can verify that it DOES cause ‘changed behaviors’.

              It also causes PTSD – which I have an abundance of. Self-hatred, the same. Feeling that I don’t belong in society – in spades. Feeling that I’ll never be good enough for ***Anyone***…

              As I’ve said before, I suspect to no small degree that causing autists to feel in this precise way is one of the explicit yet unstated goals of ***most*** current ‘therapy’ directed toward people like me. If you wonder why, think upon the following question:

              Why do bullies do what THEY do?

              (answer: because they derive intrinsic and extrinsic benefit from doing so. Namely, there’s a LOT of social profit in bullying – just like there’s a lot of social profit in making autists act as per the will, unstated and otherwise, of those who see themselves as their betters.

              Just like what BULLIES do.

              “I own you. You are my property. When you obey me, regardless of consequences, and that simply because I wish it – then you worship me as GOD.”

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              1. Agreed: Applied Behavior Analysis is a cult of bullies. It is not science since they pnly disseminate what makes the look not as bad as the worst facts about them. Well said, Dennis. Dave

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  38. I was a special education teacher for 14 years and used ABA in my classroom. Now I am a behavior analyst. The practices that you describe are not at all the practices that I have used in my career nor are they what I was taught when I was taking courses or working with ABA practitioners prior to becoming certified myself. Practicing ABA does not excuse one from understanding basic child development, best practices in education, or ethics (though the behavior analyst certification board has a very strict code of ethics that prohibits many of the practices that you described). I am very sorry that anyone has been negatively impacted by a science that can be very beneficial when applied correctly. I hope that instead of negating the entire field people will instead seek practitioners who choose to work in an ethical, caring manner.

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    1. Also, I received some of my training in ABA from professionals who worked with Dr. Lovaas on the UCLA Young Autism Project. While yes, they did use aversives-including electroshock-in the early days of the project, this practice has LONG been extinct, and you have to consider the types of interventions that were being used in other fields in medicine, psychology, and behavior around the same time. The practice has evolved with the times.

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    2. I’m glad to hear that this has not been your experience. As I’ve said, there may be forms of ABA therapy that are less problematic than what I’ve described here. I still believe that everybody working in the field of behaviorism and ABA as a whole needs to read about these experiences that Autistic people have had to ensure that their therapy is not part of the problem. Even the people I worked with considered their own ABA therapy to be good. Please do take the time to read the links in this post. But yes, I also hope that people will seek caring practitioners.

      I didn’t receive training on the ethical code for behavior analysts. I’m going to say that upfront. However, I’ve reviewed the ethical standards on the BACB website (http://www.bacb.com/index.php?page=57 and http://www.bacb.com/Downloadfiles/BACB_Compliance_Code.pdf) and I don’t see how anything I’ve described is a violation of those standards. Even aversives (I know some places use taste aversion sprays) are allowed under the standards as a last resort. If I’ve missed anything, though, please let me know because I’d definitely be interested to hear if there were ethical violations in any of those procedures. It would be easy if it was just a matter of a few “rogue” practitioners that are defying the ethical standards, but I just don’t think that’s the case. Some behavioral therapy places are still using electroshock to this day just as Lovaas used to (look up the Judge Rotenberg Center).

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      1. It’s pretty terrifying to think that electroshock is still being employed. Obviously this is a very rare occurrence and I would never be associated with a center using such an archaic practice. As I mentioned, those who worked with Dr. Lovaas are no longer using or encouraging that practice.

        Here is an excerpt from the BACB code of ethics. While it does not expressly forbid aversives, it STRONGLY cautions against their use. Families and individuals must be well-informed and give consent before these actions are employed. Punishment is always a last resort.

        4.08 Considerations Regarding Punishment Procedures.
        (a) Behavior analysts recommend reinforcement rather than punishment whenever possible.
        (b) If punishment procedures are necessary, behavior analysts always include reinforcement procedures
        for alternative behavior in the behavior-change program.
        (c) Before implementing punishment-based procedures, behavior analysts ensure that appropriate
        steps have been taken to implement reinforcement-based procedures unless the severity or
        dangerousness of the behavior necessitates immediate use of aversive procedures.
        (d) Behavior analysts ensure that aversive procedures are accompanied by an increased level of training,
        supervision, and oversight. Behavior analysts must evaluate the effectiveness of aversive procedures in a timely manner and modify the behavior-change program if it is ineffective. Behavior analysts always include a plan to discontinue the use of aversive procedures when no longer needed.
        4.09 Least Restrictive Procedures.
        The behavior analyst explains program modifications and the reasons for the modifications to the client or client-surrogate and obtains consent to implement the modifications.
        4.10 Avoiding Harmful Reinforcers. RBT
        Behavior analysts minimize the use of items as potential reinforcers that may be harmful to the health
        and development of the client, or that may require excessive motivating operations to be effective.

        Another thing…unfortunately I have witnessed that many ABA therapists use discrete trial teaching as their main delivery method. I have never thought nor have I been taught that DTT is THE way to do applied behavior analysis. It is one method in a very long list of methods used in ABA. It is very unfortunate that this has become a widely accepted way of thinking. I have always employed and encouraged those I worked with to use ABA in a much more naturalistic way.

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        1. Additionally, as part of my program “aversives” and punishments were considered things like taking away a privilege (which I would consider reasonable, as this is a method that would also be used with a typically developing child, and the privilege could of course always be earned back), not a physical punishment, taste aversion spray as you mentioned, lemon juice (I’ve heard this as an example) or other. I have not known any behavior analysts who used such methods. Additionally, it was part of my training that basic rights such as food, sleep, etc. should NOT be withheld.

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          1. Sorry to keep going on, but I also wanted to say…while I haven’t had time to look at the links yet, I will. I do not doubt that there have been many people who have had negative experiences with ABA. I do not doubt that you encountered unethical and negative practices. It is just very frustrating to know that my entire field is being construed as negative, unethical, and disrespectful of those with autism. As I mentioned, I taught special education for 14 years before becoming a BCBA. If I had chosen to leave my career based on negative experiences that I read or heard about, well…I never would have started my career in the first place. Actually, I would be hard-pressed to find any career that I could not find lots of negative comments about online. Again, this is not a criticism of you or your post, but just me stating that I know that I choose to treat in an ethical manner, always putting the person and their needs, wants, etc. first and I would hate for anyone to think otherwise based on the actions of some of my peers.

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            1. Thank you for listening and thank you for recognizing the importance of reading what Autistic people are saying. I understand your frustration about criticisms of your field, but please realize that these are very valid criticisms. You yourself may not practice ABA therapy in the way that I’ve described (and I’ve already acknowledged so many times that there may be forms that are less problematic). I’m glad if you don’t. But that doesn’t change the fact that many other people in the field of behaviorism and ABA are doing these exact things.

              I read that part of the code of ethics, and it explicitly states that aversives are okay as a last resort, which could include electroshock. That is a problem endemic to the field. You personally may not be practicing that way, but you’re still part of a field that uses those methods. I don’t like it either, but it’s just a fact. The form of ABA therapy I did *is* considered ethical under those standards. ABA therapy that uses aversives is still considered ethical. And these are huge problems. The Judge Rotenberg Center is going to be featured at the ABA International conference, for god’s sake (https://www.abainternational.org/events/annual/sanantonio2015/exhibitors.aspx). That’s why I wish you would join me in calling out abusive therapy and bringing it to an end instead of being offended by my criticisms of it.

              Please read this post by Real Social Skills:
              http://realsocialskills.org/post/99822366632/if-you-want-me-to-believe-youre-a-good

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          1. This is appalling, it is also not specifically an ABA company. I don’t see anything on their Web site about being an ABA company, there are no job postings related to ABA under careers, and the majority of their Board of Directors are psychologists. I do see one BCBA-D on their Board of directors and I plan on emailing him to ask about this electro shock issue.

            But yeah overall, this is not an ABA company.

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            1. This is a good example though that Behavior therapy or behavioral therapy is not synonymous with ABA. Just because a therapy or company uses the word Behavior or Behavioral, it does not mean that is ABA. Psychologists also do forms of behavioral therapy that has nothing to do with, and is sometimes even contradictory to ABA.

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              1. I don’t think anyone has said that behaviorism and ABA therapy are synonymous. When I use the term “behaviorism,” I’m using it as a blanket term that encompasses all behavior-based therapies, including ABA. But I just went to the Judge Rotenberg Center website (which I never in my life wanted to do), and they state on their home page that they use “ABA based treatment plans.” They’re also going to be featured at the ABA International conference (https://www.abainternational.org/events/annual/sanantonio2015/exhibitors.aspx). So they definitely have some association with ABA therapy. But yes, thank you for emailing them! That’s what needs to be done here.

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      2. Thank you so much for responding! I’m sorry, I know this is long, but please read it all :)

        Here are some of the Ethical Codes for ABA that apply to the individuals. It does state that the individuals need to consent to services, and that the service should be explained in detail, and that they can and should at any time report inappropriate or unethical services. While it may not address the specific procedures you spoke of, it does give a picture of what ABA really says about how to treat individuals. If a client is of the functioning ability to be able to understand and communicate their wants and needs, then they should be a part of developing their program, and MUST consent.
        Aside from just these ethical codes, BCBAs are required to obtain Continued Education Units to maintain our certification, and a certain amount of these CEUs are required to be Ethics. In these Ethics courses we talk about issues such as the ones you have posted here. In fact, a couple of weeks ago I attended a seminar with my colleagues that talked about treating individuals who are at the age of puberty. In this seminar we talked about the fact that this is a difficult time for people, about how we need to treat them with respect, and basically the whole seminar was based around those concepts, of how to navigate the situation ethically

        I understand that there are ABA companies out there doing things wrong, and it is very important for this discussion to happen, and for people to be made aware so that change can occur for those companies. I just want people to understand that this is what ABA is, as a whole, and that the negative treatments described in your post do not represent ABA, but rather represent the inappropriate use of ABA strategies. The point is that ABA is not bad, in fact it is extremely effective and necessary for many people, BUT as you mention, we must respect the people we serve.

        Yes there are bad ABA companies and practitioners out there, but there are also bad pediatricians, bad doctors, bad psychologists, bad SPLs, bad special education teachers….it is not isolated to ABA. The points of this article can be applied to ALL professionals working with Autistic individuals, or any individuals with any disabilities.

        I personally make a point of talking to families about the rights of the individual to be who they are. In fact, I just had a parent training session yesterday where I talked to the parents about making the distinction between personality, or things that might just annoy the parents, and ‘problem behaviors’. I talked to the parents about the fact that their child has his own personality, and that some of the behaviors they were concerned about were not because of his Autism diagnosis, but were just his personality, and some of his behaviors just having to do with the fact that he is a 14 year old. I was able to talk to them about communicating with him out of respect.

        There are many parents who I have worked with who see everything they don’t like, or that annoys them as a ‘problem behavior’ that we need to stomp out, often times simply because they have no other children or experience to compare their child to so they panic. With my experience and training as a Behavior Analyst, I can talk to them about allowing their child to be an individual.

        Furthermore, to further prove that there are AMAZING ABA programs out there; my current company places an emphasis on how we treat the people we serve. My manager actually required that our new direct care staff attend a training outside of our company (I believe it was taught by Richard Smith, BCBA), which the company paid for. The primary focus of this training is how to treat the people we work with ethically, and respectfully.

        I am very sorry that you worked for a company that did not treat the people it served appropriately, and that they didn’t listen to your concerns, but please know that this does not represent the field of ABA, and that ABA really does help many individuals, and there are so many people (not only with Autism but with many different diagnoses) who need ABA therapy, and that discounting and bashing Applied Behavior Analysis as a whole due to one bad company can actually cause harm to many people. In addition, ABA is VERY different than it was when many of the Autistic individuals you cited received therapy. People who are adults now received ABA therapy maybe 10, 15 or even 20 years ago. ABA is constantly growing, ever changing, and articles like this, and people who advocate for the rights of others can only help to grow the field.

        I saw that you mentioned that some ABA companies use electro shock therapy, this is very false. There is not an ABA company that uses this treatment, and if there is, they should be reported to the BACB, and they will lose their certification. ALSO you cite Behaviorism, and Behavioral therapy; these are NOT ABA!!!! ABA evolved from Radical Behaviorism, but Behaviorism encompasses other practices! In addition if you search ‘Behavioral Therapy’ you will likely find things on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, which is NOT Applied Behavior Analysis. Just because something has the word Behavior or Behavioral, does NOT mean it is Applied Behavior Analysis.

        My challenge to you would be to not discount the field of ABA, but to do your research on what ABA really is, the foundational principles, and set forward to make a change in the field. When the principles and techniques of ABA are used appropriately, ABA is very beneficial, and necessary for most. ABA can do so much good, especially in school districts, where the services available to Autistic individuals are virtually non-existent. With your passion and convictions, I think you could do a lot of good! Even if you do not go into the field of ABA, you should stay in the field of helping those with special needs, and rather than working AGAINST ABA/BCBAs, work with us to help create change in the field where you see it is needed!

        2.05 Rights and Prerogatives of Clients. RBT
        (a) The rights of the client are paramount and behavior analysts support clients’ legal rights and
        prerogatives.

        (d) Clients and supervisees must be informed of their rights and about procedures to lodge complaints
        about professional practices of behavior analysts with the employer, appropriate authorities, and the
        BACB.

        3.03 Behavior-Analytic Assessment Consent.
        (a) Prior to conducting an assessment, behavior analysts must explain to the client the procedures(s) to
        be used, who will participate, and how the resulting information will be used.
        (b) Behavior analysts must obtain the client’s written approval of the assessment procedures before
        implementing them.

        4.01 Conceptual Consistency.
        Behavior analysts design behavior-change programs that are conceptually consistent with behavioranalytic
        principles.
        4.02 Involving Clients in Planning and Consent.
        Behavior analysts involve the client in the planning of and consent for behavior-change programs.
        4.03 Individualized Behavior-Change Programs.
        (a) Behavior analysts must tailor behavior-change programs to the unique behaviors, environmental
        variables, assessment results, and goals of each client.
        (b) Behavior analysts do not plagiarize other professionals’ behavior-change programs.
        4.04 Approving Behavior-Change Programs.
        Behavior analysts must obtain the client’s written approval of the behavior-change program before
        implementation or making significant modifications (e.g., change in goals, use of new procedures).
        4.05 Describing Behavior-Change Program Objectives.
        Behavior analysts describe, in writing, the objectives of the behavior-change program to the client
        before attempting to implement the program. To the extent possible, a risk-benefit analysis should be
        conducted on the procedures to be implemented to reach the objective. The description of program
        objectives and the means by which they will be accomplished is an ongoing process throughout the
        duration of the client-practitioner relationship.

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        1. I appreciate the efforts you’ve made to really listen to your clients and ensure you’re treating them with respect. That’s so important. Further, I understand your frustration about criticisms of your field, but please realize that these are very valid criticisms. You yourself may not practice ABA therapy in the exact way that I’ve described. I’m glad if that’s true. But that doesn’t change the fact that many other people in the field of behaviorism and ABA are doing these exact things. And I’ve already acknowledged so many times that there may be forms that are less problematic. I’m really getting tired of BCBAs derailing the discussion by explaining that not all ABA therapy is similar to what I’ve described here. Regardless, the therapy I described still exists, and *that* is the problem.

          I agree that you can find an example of harmful therapy in any field. But the code of ethics for BCBAs explicitly states that aversives are okay as a last resort, which could include electroshock. That is a problem endemic to the field. You personally may not be practicing that way, but you’re still part of a field that uses those methods. I don’t like it either, but it’s just a fact. The form of ABA therapy I did *is* considered ethical under those standards. ABA therapy that uses aversives is still considered ethical. And these are huge problems that continue to this day. They are not products from ABA’s past. The Judge Rotenberg Center is going to be featured at the ABA International conference, for god’s sake (https://www.abainternational.org/events/annual/sanantonio2015/exhibitors.aspx). And I was working in ABA just last year, so please don’t try to discount Autistic people’s experiences by saying they happened years ago. All of this is why I wish you would join me in calling out abusive therapy and bringing it to an end instead of being offended by my criticisms of it.

          I believe that harmful, abusive therapy is far more dangerous than no therapy. And ABA therapy is far from the only option for Autistic kids.

          I’m definitely going to be working to change the field, and I would love to work *with* behaviorists, but again, that’s hard to do when everyone is so defensive about their own therapy instead of working to end the harmful therapies.

          Please read this post by Real Social Skills (and then read the others):
          http://realsocialskills.org/post/99822366632/if-you-want-me-to-believe-youre-a-good

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        2. The things that we’re talking about are being done by fully-certified BCBAs who are members in good standing and do CEUs. We’re not talking about uncertified and uneducated people fraudulently implementing something awful and calling it ABA.

          And none of the autistic people speaking out about this are talking solely about our own experiences.

          If this is all in the past, why does the DynaVox symbol set have seven symbols for quiet hands? Why is stimming explicitly listed as a legitiamte target behavior in the BACB practice guidelines for autism therapy?

          It’s normal for behavior plans to call for ignoring undesired behaviors, even when the person doing them is in obvious distress and trying to communicate that to you. How is actively ignoring a child in your care anything other than an aversive punishment?

          (Also, I don’t think that using rewards rather than aversive punishment procedures is actually a hugely meaningful difference anyway. I think it’s largely aesthetic.)

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  39. Dear sociallyanxiousadvocate, thank you for your permission to post and share my translation of your contribution into German. If you ever happen to be able to use it — here it is:

    “Warum ich mit ABA aufgehört habe”

    22. Mai 2015, von sociallyanxiousadvocate

    Als ich ABA-Therapeut wurde, war ich anfänglich freudig erregt. Ich würde tatsächlich meinen Psychologieabschluss verwenden können, mehr als den Mindestlohn erhalten und vor allem etwas Positives im Leben autistischer Kinder bewirken können. Oder wenigstens dachte ich genau dies.
    Jetzt blicke ich zurück, und das Jahr, das ich mit der Arbeit für ABA verbrachte, führt zu meiner einzig großen Reue.
    Als ich das drangab, war das keine Entscheidung, die ich über Nacht traf. Es war ein langer, schwerer Prozess, voller Verleugnung und Verwirrung. Ich spreche nicht gerne darüber, weil ich so viel Falsches gemacht habe, das sich auf das Leben von Kindern auswirkte, und ich will mich da wirklich nicht reinwaschen. Aber ich möchte, dass Sie ein Gespür dafür erhalten, wie dieser Prozess aussah, falls jemand zufällig in der gleichen Lage ist wie ich.
    Ehe ich weitermache, möchte ich sagen, dass ich der Autistengemeinschaft so dankbar dafür bin, dass sie Dinge aus ihrem Leben und ihre Erfahrungen mitgeteilt hat. Wahrscheinlich würde ich heute noch mit ABA arbeiten, wenn sie sich nicht unermüdlich bemüht hätte, es Behindertenfeindlichkeit zu nennen, was mir half, das in meinem Leben und in meiner Arbeit zu erkennen. Auf ihre Stimmen und ihre traumatischen Erfahrungen mit ABA zu hören, ließ mich damit aufhören, und nichts an der folgenden Kritik an ABA stammt von mir. Ich erfuhr alles von Autisten, und ich werde hier viele ihrer Schriften und Videos, die meine Entscheidung, aufzuhören, beeinflussten, verlinken.
    Da ABA sich an vorderster Stelle auf das Leben von Autisten auswirkt, sind ihre Stimmen der wichtigste Teil dieser Diskussion, und es ist wesentlich, dass Sie auf das hören, was sie ausdrücken.
    Und natürlich sind die Links in diesem Beitrag nur eine kleine Auswahl aus all den unschätzbaren Informationen, die es in der Autistengemeinschaft gibt – Sie können so viel lernen, wenn Sie weiterhin nach autistischen Schreibern und Sprechern suchen. Ehe Sie weiterlesen, empfehle ich Ihnen, die FAQ-Seite über Autismus von Autistic Hoya und das Video von Amythest Schaber anzusehen, weil es bereits so viel Fehlinformation darüber gibt, was Autismus ist. Und es gibt keine bessere Fachperson über Autismus als einen Autisten selbst.
    Ich möchte auch, dass Sie sehen, dass viele Therapieformen für autistische Kinder sich „ABA“ nennen, aber nicht alle würde man als das herkömmliche ABA betrachten, und so mögen sie weniger problematisch sein als die Formen, die ich in diesem Beitrag besprechen werde. Oftmals wird eine Therapie nur deshalb ABA genannt, damit die Krankenversicherung sie bezahlt. Darum kann es einen verwirren, über ABA zu sprechen, weil der Begriff verwendet wird, um eine breite Vielfalt von Lehrmethoden zu umfassen. Bitte verstehen Sie, wenn ich in diesem Beitrag über ABA spreche, dann rede ich darüber aus meiner eigenen Erfahrung. Diese Seite […] ist eine gute Zusammenfassung der Arten von ABA, die ich durchgeführt habe (obwohl ich nie dort speziell gearbeitet habe), zu denen das Discrete Trial Training (DTT), das Natural Environment Training (NET) und das Irrtumsfreie Lernen gehören.
    Als ich als ABA-Therapeut zu arbeiten begann, hatte ich vorher kaum etwas über ABA gehört, und es war für mich etwas uneingängig. Ich habe es gegoogelt, und ich fand Seiten über Seiten mit glühenden Berichten von Familien darüber, wie sehr ABA ihren autistischen Kindern geholfen habe. Ich sah, dass Autism Speaks, die größte und bekannteste Fürsprechergruppe über Autismus in den USA, ABA förderte. Ich sah, dass ABA eine evidenzbasierte Praktik aufgrund wissenschaftlicher Forschung sei, und dass es die am meisten verbreitete Therapie für autistische Kinder in Amerika ist. Leute, die als „Autismusexperten“ gelten, empfahlen es sehr. Ich ging mit dem Gefühl los, es sei ein großes Werk, was ich da tue.
    Doch ich machte auch die erste kleine Bekanntschaft mit anderen, kritischeren Sichtweisen. Ich wusste nicht, wie ich mit den nonverbalen Kindern umgehen sollte, mit denen ich arbeitete, und das veranlasste mich, etwas beiläufig über die Erfahrungen von autistischen Menschen nachzuforschen. Schließlich fand ich Ido Kedars wunderbares Buch über seine Erfahrungen als nonverbaler Autist, und er lehrte mich, dass die Fähigkeit zu sprechen nichts über die Intelligenz von jemandem aussagt. Ido kritisierte ABA offen, weil es unter anderem nicht diese einfache Tatsache anerkannte, und er schreibt in seinem Blog oft darüber, wie sehr er von seinem ABA-Team unterschätzt wurde (wie dieser Beitrag). Seine Erfahrungen hinterließen einige Zweifel bei mir über dieses Feld, aber eine negative Ansicht konnte nun wirklich nicht all das Positive um ABA herum wegwischen.
    Und das ist es großenteils, was ich in den folgenden Monaten tat. Ich nahm mir einiges an Idos Kritik zu Herzen und hatte die Sorge, ABA sei für nonverbale Kinder nicht immer eine gute Option, doch es hatte immer noch den Anschein, als könne es einigen helfen. So konzentrierte ich mich darauf, zu lernen, meine Arbeit gut zu machen und zu versuchen, die Art von Therapeut zu sein, die niemals an der Intelligenz eines Kindes zweifelte. Ich meinte, das reiche.
    Nach einer Weile beschloss ich, mehr Meinungen über ABA von Autisten selbst zu erhalten. Ich ging wieder zu Google und begann, eine lebendige Online-Gemeinde aus Autisten und ihren Verbündeten zu entdecken.
    Als ich anfing, mehr Blogs und Artikel von Autisten über ihr Trauma als Ergebnis von ABA zu finden, war ich so entsetzt, dass ich sie kaum zu Ende lesen konnte. Dieser Eintrag […] von Unstrange Mind war einer der ersten, die ich fand, und er ließ mich echt an meiner Arbeit zweifeln.
    Aber ich war auch schnell mit einer Rechtfertigung für mich dabei. Was immer ich las, es wäre leicht, etwas über die Erfahrung eines Autors mit ABA zu finden, was anders als meine war. Ich redete mir ein, das ABA, das ich ausübte, sei nicht dasselbe, weil wir keine negativen Verstärker verwendeten; oder weil wir Optionen für positive Verstärker hatten, die die Autoren nicht hatten; oder weil einige Kinder so große Fortschritte machten; oder weil mir die Kinder wirklich am Herzen lagen.
    Dieser letzte Grund war für mich der tröstlichste. Ich glaubte, weil ich mich um das Wohlergehen der Kinder kümmerte und den starken Wunsch hatte, ihnen zu helfen, müsse daher alles, was ich tat, in ihrem besten Interesse sein. Das hat mich besonders unempfänglich dafür gemacht, dass ich Fehler beginge.
    Sich kümmern bedeutete, ich könne ihnen keinesfalls schaden. Jetzt erkenne ich, wie gefährlich diese Vorstellung wirklich ist. Ich habe vielen Menschen geschadet, die mir sehr am Herzen lagen. Sich um jemanden zu kümmern oder gute Absichten zu haben heißt noch lange nicht, das Beste für ihn zu tun.
    Aber ich war überzeugt, ABA könne nicht schaden, weil es erfunden wurde, um zu helfen – das glaubte ich jedenfalls damals. Das Ergebnis dieser Denkweise ist, dass autistische Kinder wiederholt gezwungen werden, Dinge zu tun, die unnatürlich, uninteressant oder sogar schmerzhaft für sie sind, und das alles im Namen der „Therapie“ – und alles mit Lächeln und lebhaften Attitüden seitens der Therapeuten, die das fordern. Die Kinder mögen weinen. Sie mögen wegzulaufen versuchen. Sie mögen sich widersetzen. Aber sie müssen es tun, weil wir entschieden haben, das sei gut für sie und wir würden ihnen ja helfen. Vielleicht sind sie ja gerade einfach nicht in der Lage, das zu sehen oder zu verstehen. Real Social Skills schreibt sehr pointiert über diese Art von Haltung bei Therapeuten in diesem Eintrag […].
    Dieses Gesamtkonzept nennt sich Gehorsamstraining, und es ist ein vielen ABA-Programmen innewohnender Teil. Die Regel ist, wenn man als ABA-Therapeut einen Befehl erteilt, muss man ihn befolgen, egal worin er besteht. Versucht ein Kind, zu weinen oder wegzulaufen oder in andere „Verhaltensweisen“ zu verfallen, dann darf man nicht nachgeben, denn dann bestärkt man nur sein schlechtes Verhalten und macht es wahrscheinlicher, dass es künftig darauf zurückgreift.
    Hoffentlich können Sie sehen, wie verstörend diese Vorstellung ist, wie ich es nun tue. Gehorsamstraining lässt für das Kind keinen Weg zu, „Nein“ zu sagen, wenn ein Therapeut einen Befehl erteilt, weil jeder davon ausgeht, das Kind habe keinen hinreichenden Grund, sich zu weigern, etwas zu tun. Dieses Video von Amythest Schaber […] (alias Neurowonderful) erklärt, warum das so schädlich ist.
    Wie Amythest erklärt, sendet das Gehorsamstraining eine verheerende Botschaft an autistische Kinder: sie dürften nie „Nein“ sagen. Es sagt ihnen, ihre Gefühle gälten nicht, und am Schlimmsten: etwas stimme mit ihnen überhaupt nicht, wenn sie durch Dinge verletzt oder genervt werden, die uns nicht verletzen oder auf die Nerven gehen. Als bedeute „neurotypisch“ automatisch, dass wir irgendwie wüssten, was das Beste für ein autistisches Kind ist.
    Gehorsamstraining wird doppelt gefährlich, wenn es nicht in einem wirklichen Verständnis der Erfahrungen autistischer Menschen wurzelt. Häufig ist es ein vielen Zielen von ABA zugrunde liegender Grund, den Kindern beizubringen, weniger autistisch auszusehen und zu handeln. Wenn ein Kind Verhaltensweisen zeigt, die den Neurotypikern in seiner Umgebung „repetierend“ oder „obsessiv“ erscheinen oder einfach nicht verstanden werden, dann versuchen Behavioristen oft, dies zu ändern. Stimming ist das bekannteste Beispiel dafür, aber es könnte alles mögliche sein. Auf Zehenspitzen gehen, zu oft über dasselbe Thema reden, Echolalie verwenden, ein intensives Interesse haben, keinen Augenkontakt herstellen, die Ohren zuhalten, nicht in spezifischer Weise mit Spielzeug umgehen – alles, was Behavioristen als „unangemessen“ betrachten, wird oft zum Ziel, woran das Kind arbeiten muss, um es zu ändern. (Wenn Sie nicht wissen, was Stimming ist: Amythest hat zwei großartige Videos […]. Sie können auch den Eintrag von BjforShaw lesen.)
    Das Problem ist, dass diese Art von Zielen vollkommen die Tatsache abtut, dass jeder einen Grund dafür hat, etwas zu tun. Dass jemand anders nicht versteht, warum ein Kind mit den Händen schlägt oder sich die Ohren zuhält oder irgend etwas anderes tut, heißt noch lange nicht, dass es dafür keinen hinreichenden Grund gibt.
    Da zu Autismus auch häufig besondere sensorische Empfindlichkeiten gehören, ergibt es völlig Sinn, dass Autisten anders auf die Welt reagieren als Neurotypiker. Tatsächlich haben viele Autisten bereits erklärt, es gebe einen Grund für ihr Stimming und andere repetierende Verhaltensweisen, die Neurotypikern vielleicht als merkwürdig erscheinen – zum Beispiel ist das ein natürlicher Ausdruck von Gefühlen und hilft, überströmenden sensorischen Input zu regulieren, wie Amythest in ihrem ersten Video über Stimming es erklärt. Dinge, die ein Neurotypiker kaum bemerken würde, zum Beispiel flackernde Leuchtstoffröhren oder leise Hintergrundmusik, können für jemanden mit erhöht reagierenden sensorischen Systemen erdrückend sein. Das heißt, einem Kind das Stimming zu verbieten – das oft in einem Unterbrechen oder Verhindern besteht, indem man mit körperlicher Gewalt die Hände an seine Seite oder auf den Tisch zwingt –, könnte für das Kind körperlich schmerzhaft sein. Julia Bascom schreibt darüber, wie entsetzlich diese Erfahrung ist […]. Beim Augenkontakt ist es ähnlich; viele Autisten haben auch gesagt, direkter Augenkontakt sei eine sehr erdrückende sensorische Erfahrung, wie Judy Endows in einem Eintrag […].
    Gehorsamstraining und schädliche Therapieziele sind bei vielen Formen von ABA die beiden größten Probleme, doch es gibt eine Vielzahl von Befürchtungen, die Autisten und ihre Verbündeten nach ihren Erfahrungen erhoben haben. Es folgt eine keineswegs vollständige Liste, doch dies sind weitere Befürchtungen:
    • Der Gebrauch ausdrücklich negativer Verstärker, um aktiv inakzeptables Verhalten zu unterbinden (siehe den Eintrag von Ink and Daggers).
    • Alle Belohnungen zurückhalten, bis das Kind darum bittet oder sie verdient, einschließlich Nahrung, Unterbrechungen und Zuwendung.
    • Keine freien Zeiten oder nur kurze Pausen bei 5-8-Stunden-Tagen (wiederum der Eintrag von Unstrange Mind, der im Einzelnen auch weitere Probleme bei ABA erklärt, darunter die Ziele, die Kinder „normal“ machen sollen).
    • Das Nichterkennen motorischer Apraxie, die den Anschein erwecken kann, ein Autist verstehe einen Befehl nicht, wenn er in Wirklichkeit vielleicht nicht in der Lage ist, seinen Körper dahin zu bekommen, ihm zu gehorchen, weil er eine Fehlverbindung zwischen Sinn und Körper erlebt (siehe nochmals den Eintrag von Ido Kedar, den Eintrag von Amy Sequenzia und den Eintrag in Emmas Hope Book).
    • Es erlaubt Behavioristen zu viel Macht (siehe den Eintrag von Real Social Skills).
    • Es verwendet verbale („ruhige Hände“, „“liebe Hände“, „Hände herunter“) und körperliche Aufforderungen, um Kinder vom Stimming abzuhalten (siehe nochmals den Eintrag von Julia Bascom).
    • Es benutzt Benennungen von Funktionen, um die Fähigkeiten eines Kindes zu definieren (siehe diesen Eintrag […] bei Musings of an Aspie und dieses Video […] von Amythest Schaber).
    • Es verwendet routinemäßig physische Einschränkungen als Lösung bei Kindern, die gewalttätiges oder destruktives Verhalten zeigen, anstatt als allerletzte Möglichkeit bei Verhalten, das als schädlich erkannt wird (siehe diesen Eintrag […] von Real Social Skills und diese Checkliste […] bei We Are Like Your Child, um Quellen für Aggression zu identifizieren).
    • Man nimmt nicht an, Kinder seien kompetent und hätten, verwandt damit, keine adäquaten Kommunikationsmittel (siehe diesen Eintrag […] bei Emmas Hope Book und diesen Eintrag […] von Ido Kedar).
    Von diesen Dingen hatte ich bei ABA bis auf das Erstgenannte Anteil an allen.
    Als ich in dem Bereich eingebunden war, erkannte ich nicht völlig die behindertenfeindliche Denkweise, die so vielen der Programme für Kinder zugrunde lag. Andere hatten jahrelang auf dem Gebiet gearbeitet und sprachen mit Zuversicht über die von ihnen benutzten Lehrmethoden. Eltern vertrauten ihnen; und einer Menge wurde vermutlich das Gleiche gesagt wie mir. Die Menschen, mit denen ich arbeitete, behandelten mich freundlich und rücksichtsvoll. Ich hörte wiederholt, es sei die einzige wissenschaftliche, evidenzbasierte Methode für autistische Kinder und auch die effektivste, daher vertraute ich dem die Zulassung für Verhaltensanalytiker erteilenden Gremium, das die Kinderprogramme schrieb, und nahm an, es gebe einen guten Grund, warum wir taten, was wir taten.
    Natürlich ist Unkenntnis keine Entschuldigung. Ob ich mir die Zeit nahm, Autisten zuzuhören, oder nicht, die ABA-Therapie, die ich ausübte, war für diese Kinder schädlich. Ob ich das wusste oder nicht, änderte nichts daran.
    Es dauerte eine Zeit, bis ich völlig erkannte und akzeptierte, warum viele Autisten gegen ABA sind. Ich pflegte aufzuwachen und zur Arbeit zu gehen, entschlossen, weitere Gründe zu finden, warum mein ABA gut sei. Ich fühlte mich glücklich, wenn ich meinen Klienten sah, und achtete darauf, dass auch er glücklich war, mich zu sehen. Ich war mit Leuten zusammen, die ich bewunderte und respektierte, ich hörte von den Fortschritten der Kinder, und in diesen Momenten fühlte sich alles, was ich am vergangenen Abend gelesen hatte, nur wie ein schlechter Traum an. Dann ging ich nach Hause, suchte nach Weiterem, was Autisten über ABA zu sagen hatten, und musste mir wiederum einreden, mein ABA sei doch anders.
    In dieser Zeit versuchte ich alles mir Mögliche, um zu sehen, ob es einen Weg gab, mit ABA zu arbeiten, ohne ethische Probleme zu bekommen, aber ich fand wiederholt, dass ich eine Entscheidung zwischen ABA und meiner Achtung vor dem Kind treffen musste.
    Belohnungen zu verweigern gehörte zu ABA. Kinder zum Reden oder zu Zeichensprache zu bringen, selbst wenn das deutlich nicht die beste Kommunikationsweise für sie war, gehörte zu ABA. Stimming auszulöschen, Augenkontakt zu erzwingen, neurotypische Spielfähigkeiten beizubringen gehörte zu ABA. Gehorsam zu erzwingen gehörte zu ABA. Wenn ich dies alles nicht tun wollte, dann hieß das, ich konnte kein ABA-Therapeut sein.
    Als ich schließlich begann, meine Zweifel gegenüber den Personen, mit denen ich zusammenarbeitete, zu äußern, war die häufigste Verteidigung, die ich hörte: ABA ist eine wissenschaftliche, evidenzbasierte Methode, und wir müssen uns mehr auf wissenschaftliche Studien als auf anekdotische Erzählungen von Autisten selbst verlassen.
    Doch diese Worte sind bei vielen Fällen von ABA nicht so eindrucksvoll, wie sie zu sein scheinen. Ja, die Methoden bei ABA sind „wirkungsvoll“, aber nur in dem Sinne, dass eine Menge Autisten, die ABA durchlaufen, später „weniger autistisch“ aussehen. Das heißt, ein autistisches Kind wird wahrscheinlich lernen, autistische Verhaltensweisen zu unterdrücken, wenn es ABA durchläuft, das ein Normalmachen zum Ziel hat. Aber das sagt nichts darüber, wie sich ABA auf das Selbstbewusstsein eines Autisten auswirkt, auf seinen emotionalen Zustand und sein Weltbild. Es sagt nichts darüber, ob ABA ethisch ist. Wenn wir es daran messen, ob ABA Autisten hilft, sich in einer großenteils neurotypischen Welt sicher, angepasst und akzeptiert zu fühlen, dann ist ABA gemäß den überwältigenden Aussagen aus der Autistengemeinschaft sehr wirkungslos.
    Hier kommt ein Beispiel. Wenn jemand ein Kind schlägt, um es an etwas zu hindern, das er nicht mag, würde das Kind wohl damit aufhören, und dann könnten Sie sagen, Schläge seien eine „effektive“ Methode. Man könnte als Teil einer wissenschaftlichen Studie sogar Daten erheben, um zu zeigen, dass die Verhaltensweisen des Kindes abebbten, nachdem man anfing, es zu schlagen. Doch offenkundig bedeutet das nicht, dass jemand ein Kind schlagen sollte. Es bedeutet nicht, dass Schläge keine Misshandlung sind. Es bedeutet nicht, dass das Kind gesund und glücklich darüber, wer es ist, aufwächst. Misshandlung ist niemals in Ordnung, und die Wissenschaft kann die Ethik einer Methode nicht ansprechen.
    Noch besorgniserregender ist, dass ABA von Ivar Lovaas begründet wurde, der unverhohlen sagte, er glaube, Autisten seien gar keine Menschen. Dies ist ein wörtliches Zitat von ihm: „Sehen Sie, Sie beginnen eigentlich ganz von vorne, wenn Sie mit einem autistischen Kind arbeiten. Sie haben eine Person im physischen Sinne vor sich – sie hat Haare, eine Nase und einen Mund –, aber es ist kein Mensch im psychologischen Sinne. Ein Weg, die Aufgabe zu betrachten, autistischen Kindern zu helfen, ist, es so zu sehen, dass man einen Menschen konstruiert. Sie haben das Rohmaterial, aber Sie müssen die Person erbauen.“ Lovaas verwendete auch Elektroschocks bei autistischen Kindern.
    Natürlich würden heutzutage nur sehr wenige Leute bei ABA offen dem zustimmen, was Lovaas über Autisten gesagt hat. Die meisten kennen das wahrscheinlich nicht einmal. Aber sein Denken wird bei vielen Aspekten von ABA immer noch sehr deutlich – zu viele Behavioristen tun die Tatsache ab, Autisten hätten gute Gründe, die Dinge auf ihre Weise zu tun, auch wenn es jetzt eine ganze Gemeinde von autistischen Eigenanwälten gibt, um die eigenen Erfahrungen zu erklären.
    Wenn es Ihr Ziel ist, einer bestimmten Gemeinschaft zu helfen, dann ist eins der ersten Dinge, die Sie tun sollten, sicherzugehen, dass Sie in Kontakt mit der Gruppe sind, der Sie zu helfen versuchen. Ihre Stimmen sind wichtiger als die eines jeden anderen. Und doch bleiben viele ABA-Programme völlig von der Autistengemeinschaft abgekoppelt.
    Als ich einmal erkannte, dass sich nichts ändern würde, nachdem ich meine Zweifel äußerte, konnte ich mich schließlich nicht mehr herausreden. ABA war falsch, und ich musste da heraus. Ich stellte eine Liste mit vielen der Anti-ABA-Artikel zusammen, die ich bei der Autistengemeinschaft gelesen hatte, schickte sie per E-Mail an meine Supervisoren, redete noch einmal mit ein paar von ihnen, warum ich ABA aufgab, und dann ging ich nichts wie der Teufel da raus.
    Ich bin so froh, dass ich da weggehen konnte. Aber es gibt immer noch weitaus zu viele autistische Kinder, die nicht weggehen können, egal wie sehr sie es möchten.
    Kinder, die mir am Herzen liegen, sind immer noch bei ABA, 5 Tage pro Woche 25-40 Stunden lang. Und sie könnten mit Leichtigkeit ein weiteres Jahrzehnt oder mehr von ihrem Leben dort verbringen. Viele werden in dem Gebiet aufwachsen und die Botschaft verinnerlichen, sie seien fehlerhaft, nur weil sie mit einem anderen Neurotypus geboren wurden. Einfaches Faktum ist, dass viele Autisten, die ABA durchmachten, es als Misshandlung schildern, und einige haben daraus sogar eine posttraumatische Belastungsstörung.
    Wenn Sie mit Behaviorismus oder ABA arbeiten – wenn Ihre Tätigkeit einige der oben erwähnten Merkmale hat –, dann nehmen Sie sich bitte die Zeit, zu lesen, was Autisten sagen, und schätzen Sie wirklich ab, ob Sie helfen oder schaden. Reden Sie mit Ihren Supervisoren oder Kollegen über das, was Sie bei Menschen in der Autistengemeinschaft gelesen haben. Fragen Sie sich selbst, ob Sie sich wohl dabei fühlen, mit einem Autisten über Ihre Arbeit zu sprechen. Ich weiß, dass das beängstigend ist, und ganz ehrlich: Es ist nicht leicht. Es war nicht leicht für mich. Aber ich habe es geschafft, und das können Sie auch.
    Und vergessen Sie auch nicht, dass es nicht um Sie geht. Es geht nicht darum, was für Sie am leichtesten oder bequemsten oder am besten für Ihre Karriere ist. Es geht hier um autistische Kinder und Erwachsene, die mit dem Gefühl von Trauma und Entwertung aufwachsen. Es geht darum, Autisten damit zu helfen, unsere Gesellschaft sicherer und alle Arten von Neurotypus akzeptierend zu machen und sie an sie anzupassen. Stellen Sie sicher, dass Sie für dieses Ziel und nicht dagegen kämpfen!

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  40. As an Autistic person, just wanted to thank you for making this post and sticking up for Autistic people, and I admire how you are doing your best to respond to commenters who not only don’t get it but are being hostile to you.

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  41. Where’s the scientific journal articles and appropriate literature referenced in this document? All I see are wikipedia and google articles which invalidates any argument as mere opinion.

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  42. Hi Steph, thank you for writing this! I am a mom of a very smart non-speaking 12 year old Autistic boy (he self identifies as “Autisitic”). We have a blog which I started, but he has pretty much taken over it. I wanted to share a blogpost about how we also left ABA behind and never went back. My reasoning was that even if ABA had all the scientific backing in the world, if it didn’t help, we had to find a method that did. For us, that method is Rapid Primpting Method (RPM) which is the same as Ido’s. In just the 3 years he has been communicating with the RPM method, we have seen a transformation in his life and our family. We treat our son, not by our reactions to how he acts differently, but as an intelligent human being. Philip communicates beautifully and is on track to mainstream education. Not only that, but we have seen an increasing peace and happiness in his countenance, a maturity to try new things, and we have seen Philip set goals for himself which he can realistically achieve. He wants to be an advocate and writer- things he is already doing at school and through his blog. There truly is a better way than ABA. Here is a link to how we switched from and ABA school to public school: http://faithhopeloveautism.blogspot.com/2014/01/changing-schools.html

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    1. Hi Lisa – I think I just started following you recently :) I may have found you through emmashopebook.com. So glad RPM is working. Thank you for sharing your journey!

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    2. Rapid Prompting Method?

      So, let’s all be anti-ABA (despite the plethora of studies that demonstrate at least moderate success rates in enabling kids to acquire and further develop skills) in favour of a pseudoscientific thing that has very littly (if any) high-quality evidence to support it.

      Because autistic people apparently are worth real bloody science.

      http://www.science20.com/countering_tackling_woo/blog/why_rapid_prompting_method_still_doesn%E2%80%99t_pass_evidencebased_test-68146
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      Now, if you begin to get a bit critical as to whether this is actually a valid way to teach and what to do if the child doesn’t begin to respond on his own, here’s a sure sign that what’s going on may not be a legitimate sign of actual learning going on:

      “Prompt dependency is preferred to the alternative of allowing no response or no learning to occur. In most cases, once motor skills are learned, the need for and frequency of prompts decreases.”

      In other words, if the child doesn’t respond, do it for him and keep doing it. It won’t be the child’s communication, though.

      Let’s say you have an extremely noise-sensitive autistic child and you decided to do a Soma-style RPM. You crowd the child, because that’s always a good thing to do with space-sensitive people (and many autistic children are; let’s ramp up their anxiety), then let’s start talking rapidly and constantly and begin to rip paper. Repeatedly. Then let’s hold their left hand so they have to use the right (hell to a left-handed kid), because, after all, “Soma encourages right-hand response to stimulate left-brain learning, and to curb a student’s stimming with the left hand. Occasionally a student picks both choices using both hands. Then it becomes necessary for the teacher to hold the left hand just to have the child pick one choice.” Then, don’t allow them to not respond; force the response, instead. Why on earth would someone who is empirical and rational think this is designed to get a productive response out of a child?

      Rapid Prompting Method has been around about a decade. There are no studies whatsoever on this method. There are testimonials. That’s it. There is no way to assess whether autistic individuals who are the recipients of RPM really benefit and gain skills from this method. There is no way to assess whether responses are a result of the prompter’s co-opting.

      I’m fairly sure of one thing. If it were me, and I had an adult doing RPM on me, and I could learn to type, respond, communicate, I sure as all get out would do it as fast as I could just to make the noise and the personal space crowding stop. And I’d have a fair bit of trauma as a result of the experience. But that’s just me.

      Soma and her ardent supporters insist that she really has helped hundreds upon hundreds of autistic kids. We’ll never really know, though, if she really helped them. I mean, if RPM hasn’t undergone testing in a decade, is it really ever likely to? Especially as long as she can make a good living from it? Soma and her supporters insist that it will undergo and is undergoing scientific testing.

      Rapid Prompt Method doesn’t pass the evidence test because it has never been subjected to the rigor of a scientific study. It’s unlikely that it would, either.
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      And don’t anybody tell me that using unproven stuff on autistics is even close to ethical.

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  43. You are an idiot. As you admitted, you have no experience in the REAL aba world. Do you even know what ABA is founded on? How dare you try to convince families who are desparate for help to stray away from a SCIENCE that is proven effective to improve the quality of an individual and their families lives. ABA isnt specific to autistic kids. Behavioral analysis is based off HUMAN and animal behavior. It is the science of the way ALL people and animals learn. We are all reinforced and punished in life which teach us to increase or decrease a particular behavior. We go to work to get paid. We do our job so we don’t get fired. We go the speed limit to avoid tickets. We respect authority to avoid chaos. Autistic kids are no different in the learning process. Shame on you for scaring parents away from an option which can change their families lives for the BETTER. Clearly, you have no idea of the struggle these families endure. It takes a lot of time, energy, and tears, but ABA works if its done correctly. You must not know how to implement treatment appropriately – looks like YOU are the problem. By the way, verbal behavior is a part of ABA.

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  44. Good for you for getting out, and thank you for writing about why. I inadvertently went to a talk by an ABA therapist once, and was utterly horrified at the reductive and punitive relationship her approach suggested I establish with my own son.

    To your critics here, if listening to autistic critics who experienced ABA is unconvincing, a couple of other things you might consider reading: “A Review of B. F. Skinner’s VERBAL BEHAVIOR,” and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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  45. Reblogged this on Normal Is Just An Average and commented:
    Working on a sizable post myself, but this article deserves special recognition.

    This is such an important post for people to understand. I am an Autistic that grew up PTSD, hating myself for being broken. That lasted until I was 31, thankfully my parents had nothing to do with how I felt. I was not exposed to ABA, I was simply tormented by others for being the way I am. Not that different of an end result, and it is easy for me to empathize. I’ve had a lot of people that genuinely wanted to help try to “normalize” me instead of understand me or accept me as I am. I’m also working to try to get high profile allies to help shut down the The Judge Rotenberg Center, because it could have easily been me in that place.

    My challenge to behaviorists is to forget the studies they automatically defer to, and rationalize it to the best of their ability in their own words without using those old studies as a crutch.

    Check out where JRC is showing up now: http://autisticadvocacy.org/2015/05/asan-statement-on-jrc-at-association-for-behavior-analysis-international-conference/

    Honestly, I don’t think much is going to change as long as Autism Speaks doesn’t change. Why on Earth are they not be sounding the alarm on JRC?

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    1. Because the two organizations have similar end goals, and hence they have an informal (or perhaps it only LOOKS informal) ‘alliance of convenience’.

      Namely, they both have as ultimate goals a fully-synchronized monotonic state of humanity, one in which all who live are extroverted and socially adept, with hard-coded tribalistic notions of dominance-and-submission manifesting as variable levels of dark-triadic behavior and suitable ‘tailored personae’ – with each organization having its own fully-controlled and totally-owned fiefdom, with the current leaders enshrined as Dieties therein.

      Until that end state is reached, they both plan to milk and bilk ‘the stupid public’ of as much social and monetary profit as they can get away with, and in the process, destroy every ‘useless feeder’ they possibly can.

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  46. Unfortunately, I think what you’ve experienced is “bad ABA.” I follow many ABA principles in my treatment with individuals with Autism, but not like you described. Yes, I believe in compliance training, but you also need to teach alternate responses…like asking for a break or help after a demand is given. If a child does that instead of engaging in inappropriate behavior, I am often more than happy to delay the instruction, etc. .Good ABA should focus heavily on antecedent interventions so the child/individual is not trying to escape as much. Breaks = frequent, positive pairing/fun times = throughout the day. I’d encourage you to experience quality ABA services and treatment. It’s a great experience to see children make progress, be more happy, and provide families with hope for continued growth in the future.

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  47. I keep reading posts on here from parents. The “my child’s ABA doesn’t look like that” comments are probably very very accurate. But I wonder for how long that will continue to be the case, especially for those with young children.

    I have a friend (permission granted to speak about this) whose daughter was in an ABA that didn’t “look like that.” Well, it didn’t look like that until she started mastering goals that helped her be more independent. Then suddenly, the therapists started trying to write goals towards normalization. They started pressuring the mom to allow them to do these things. In the end, the mom removed their child from ABA. I’m so thankful to her that she was willing to listen to me that this might happen. She was prepared and she did what she could by removing her child from this ultimately damaging practice of normalization.

    But most parents probably wouldn’t recognize those changes. They would start off with ABA that “doesn’t look like that” and end up with exactly this kind of ABA. It’s so terribly sad. But after you have a child able to communicate and having their needs met, normalization is the next natural direction in ABA. Because it’s then “Well, let’s try to make them not stand out.” or “Let’s help them not be picked on.” Which is really saying, “Let’s tell them that the way they behave is wrong.”

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    1. Also, how it looks from the outside isn’t necessarily how it looks from the inside. People forget that happy affect is something that you can reinforce for. People who know that they will be treated better if they look happy and praise the people with power over them will tend to do both of those things.

      You can do a lot of awful things to a smiling child in a room full of fun toys.

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  48. I am so impressed by how you have fielded these comments, again and again. You have stayed calm and continued to try and educate commenters in such a professional way. I could never have done this! Thank You! It saddens me to hear the comments.

    I watched children ‘behaving badly’ in an RPM workshop this week. As they ‘protested’ and struggled with their bodies, they continued to spell beautiful thoughts on a letter board. Their ‘behaviors’ were ignored, the RPM provider ‘presumed competence’ and trusted that the student wanted to continue to learn and to communicate. She presumed that each of the students were already working diligently to control a body that would not listen to their mind. The ‘behaviors’ subsided as the student’s anxiety decreased with an improvement in letter board skills.

    Here is a blog post where several non-verbal autistic young adults describe what it feels like with their mind and body ‘disconnected’.

    https://growingkidstherapy.wordpress.com/2014/08/12/the-body-and-brain-disconnect/

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  49. Dear BCBA’s/ABA practitioners:

    You care. You want to make a difference in people’s lives. Then please, PLEASE, listen to the voices of the people whose lives you want to help. HEAR what they have to say about what has gone wrong. Listen to the voices of parents who sought help and care for their children and wound up with children suffering from PTSD as a result of treatment.

    YOU can be the catalyst for change. YOU can make sure that “good” ABA is the only ABA, but only if you can acknowledge that there is BAD ABA, and that it is being done to people who are unable to protect themselves. Please.

    Someone earlier asked, what can we do to change things. You can’t change anything if you deny it’s an issue. As was stated earlier, abuse does happen and continues to happen.

    The Judge Rotenberg Center, which CURRENTLY uses electric shock aversives, is an EXHIBITOR at the 2015 ABAI conference – https://www.abainternational.org/events/annual/sanantonio2015/exhibitors.aspx

    The Center is embroiled in controversy. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/controversy-over-shocking-people-with-autism-behavioral-disorders/

    There IS a problem. You can’t fix it if you deny it.

    YOU do not get to define abuse. You did not EXPERIENCE the abuse. Your NOT experiencing or administering abuse in no way discounts the experience of others who DID experience the abuse.

    Please stop being dismissive.

    The Catholic church is only beginning to recover from the damage done to it by denial/enabling, etc. that was done to “protect” abusive priests. These people were able to continue to abuse – even though the majority of their brethren did NOT abuse – and damaged countless lives, because the abuse was not acknowledged by those in power, was denied by those who didn’t behave in this manner.

    ONLY when courageous, caring, people decided to do the right thing – even though THEY did not do the wrong thing – were the abuses recognized for what they were and dealt with.

    For those who use the “scientifically proven” argument to discount the lived experiences of those who received ABA treaments and did not benefit from it, I recommend this link – http://gernsbacherlab.org/wp-content/uploads/papers/Gernsbacher_Scientifically_Proven_JDLD_2003.pdf

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    1. Patricia,

      I don’t think anybody on the pro-ABA side of the debate is condoning abuse. What we’re dismissing is the author’s central tenet that ABA as an early autism intervention is inherently abusive. The author has not been able to present a coherent argument in support of that claim.

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      1. I don’t know if it’s inherently abusive. I do know that dehumanizing attitudes towards autistic children and dismissive attitudes towards autistic adults are a fundamental part of BCBA professional culture as it stands right now.

        Do you speak out against these practices as vehemently as you tell critics that not all ABA is like that?

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        1. Yes. I vehemently condemn any form of dehumanizing behaviours or those who do not consider the opinions of others.

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            1. Mercifully, my every thought and action is not recorded on the internet. But if you like I am happy now to vehemently condemn any extreme form of punishment of a child. The withdrawal of treats is about as dehumanizing as our program ever gets.

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              1. Aversives are a secondary point in this post and in every post I’ve written on this issue. Using treats and ignoring as your primary reinforcers doesn’t solve the problems we’re talking about.

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            2. “How? Can you link me to a place where you have done so?”

              Interesting how yo’re asking for evidence of how someone else behaves regarding something. Have you ever provided a single scrap of evidence of PTSD caused by ABA-validated interventions.? Because I haven’t seen you produce a single documented case.

              I’d like to see – for any claimed case of that happening – the following:

              1- the name of a psychiatrist or other appropriate diagnostician who has made the diagnosis;
              2- the date of assessment and of diagnosis, and where the diagnosis was made;
              3- which criteria of the diagnosis were fulfilled;
              4- which aspects of the child’s ABA-validated intervention link to which criteria of of the diagnosis of PTSD;
              5- probability calculations, based on epidemiological/demographical studies and using a structural equation model, demonstrating that any claimed causality is more than a chance level and/or cannot be explained by other phenomena.

              Reason: PTSD can only be diagnosed by someone competent to diagnose it; contiguity of assessment and diagnosis is important, and no parent would waste time getting a child assessed for (and diagnosed with) it; a good diagnostic report will specify criteria fulfilled; a good diagnostic report will relate criteria to events in real life; a good diagnostic report will contain details of things that might go against the diagnosis, in cases where doubt can reasonably be cast on the certainty of that diagnosis being correct, and will seek to offer evidence-based accounting for these things.

              So, whilst you’re expecting someone to run around finding evidence – just for you, mind – that they have “vehemently condemn any form of dehumanizing behaviours or those who do not consider the opinions of others”, you’d better be damn well prepared to provide some accurate evidence yourself for the claims you make. Speculation is piffle. Evidence is paramount.

              And I reckon, being the autistic psychologist that I am, that you’ll not be as willing as I am to providing such evidence.

              People on the spectrum who think it’s okay to make up our own ‘facts’, without regard to evidence, are an embarrassment and a liability to us all.

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              1. Is this guy trying to disrupt the group? Is this conversation being moderated? He is using personalized ad hominem character assassinations. He does not make his profesdion look too appealing, to say the least.

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        2. This is not a true statement at all, I have been working in ABA for 8 years, and I can tell you that dehumanizing anybody with any disability is NOT inherent to BCBAs in any way. In fact as a community we try to make sure we always help the people we serve maintain their humanity and human rights. It is offensive that you would insult people who dedicate our lives to helping others for meager pay in such a way.

          Nobody who disagreed with the stance of this blog That ABA is inherited abusive thinks that we should turn a blind eye to abuse. We are simply stating that the statements of this article do not represent the field, which is in truth comprised of people who chose a career and dedicated our lives to helping others and trying to make a difference.

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          1. Choosing a career dedicated to helping others doesn’t make you infallible. Making personal sacrifices doesn’t make you incapable of doing harm. Doing right is an action, not an identity, and you can only do right if you take seriously the possibility that you are doing harm and listen to the people you have power over. That’s the point of this post.

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          2. To those of us who have seen widespread human rights violations and who have had to help people pick up the pieces from experiencing or committing them, statements like yours sound like “who are you going to believe? Me, or your lying eyes?”.

            I know what I’ve seen and I know what people I support have been through. I know what’s on the conscience of formerly passionate advocates and practitioners of ABA who have now rejected the field. If you’re not willing to acknowledge that your colleagues do the things we’re describing with full approval from your professional culture, I’m not willing to believe that you are any different from them.

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  50. Thank you. Even aside from specific concrete issues, the most disturbing aspect of ABA professional culture is what you describe here:

    I thought that because I cared about the kids’ well-being, because I had a strong desire to help them, everything I did must therefore be in their best interest. In my mind, it gave me a special immunity to making mistakes.

    BCBAs do not take their human fallibility anywhere close to seriously enough.

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    1. Student of behavior analysis looking to work outside of autism (and currently assisting in anxiety research) here. I’ve always thought it odd when I read research involving attempts at reducing stereotypy for the sake of reducing stereotypy (though the results of many of those studies have helped clinicians find ways to reduce self-injurious or aggressive behaviors). I think I have been lucky to have professors who have encouraged me to question the ethics of such endeavors, as it appears many practitioners may not have their client’s best interests in mind.

      But my gloating about how great my university and the autism center attached to it is will not undo any damage, nor will it prevent any. I will continue to encourage my peers to keep the interests of their clients in mind, and work to help their clients build towards their goals, and to be wary of attempts to extinguish or punish behavior that is not harmful. And, should circumstances push me in the direction of working in autism therapy, I will keep in mind the words of those who have been harmed by malpractice.

      PS: Be wary of anyone who says they can “cure” autism, no matter what methods they claim to be using.

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      1. Or also, people who don’t claim they can cure it, but claim that they can make it functionally irrelevant. That’s never true, and attempts at it always hurt people.

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        1. Behavior therapists that use a pathological approach in their programs tend to have problems helping clients make meaningful progress or building self-efficacy.

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          1. A complicating factor is that a BCBA may well be the professional in someone’s life who has the least contempt for them. Often, no one else thinks that a child (or adult) can learn at all. In that situation, the person who thinks that they can learn to dress themselves and make basic requests through PECS and DTT may well be the most respectful and supportive teacher they have.

            Which says a lot about how terribly our culture treats people with developmental disabilities.

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    2. Yes, I agree completely. I didn’t even realize I had that attitude until I started reading criticisms of ABA – I remember reading your post in particular about “Nice Lady Therapists” and realizing how true it was. But before that, it was almost subconscious, which is frightening.

      Thanks for your comments here, and thank you so much for all of the posts you’ve written about ABA as well. Again, your writing really helped make me aware of what was wrong with my job, and everything that you’ve said about ABA has been absolutely true in my experience as an ABA Therapist.

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  51. My son started ABA at 17mths old. 7 days a week 8 hours a day until he was over 3yrs. It was certainly not cruel or harmful to him at all & Without it he wouldn’t be where he is today at 4.5yrs and has completely normal integration and he also wouldn’t of been eating solid food as he never learnt to chew food properly. Without the speech pathology and ABA hand in hand working together we certainly would have never received the results we have today.

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  52. Thank you so much for writing and sharing this! It is such a sensitive topic and I can see there has been some backlash but you’ve handled it so well and I’m glad this is out there. My son is 8 with severe autism, he is completely non-verbal but last year he started communicating on a letterboard using RPM. Before that he could only use single signs to request things or press single buttons on proloquo2go to request things. Someone sent him this article and asked what he thought about it. I’ll say upfront that his school experience was very traumatizing (he’s now homeschooled) but I know that experience did a lot of damage, I never thought his ABA experience did as much damage as it did. I know it taught him way below his level now that I know how truly intelligent he is, so I knew that must have been frustrating knowing things but not being able to show what you know, but I didn’t understand how much it hurt him. He seemed to like his therapists and they seemed to like him and he didn’t resist it. So after I read him the article he wrote a note to the person that sent it and here is part of what he said: “HAPPY TO READ THAT YOU DON’T LIKE ABA EITHER. I AM HATING ABA BECAUSE IT ALWAYS IS TEACHING ONLY BABY THINGS. ABA ASSUMES AUTISTICS ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN’T LEARN AGE APPROPRIATE THINGS NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE HAVE BODIES THAT DON’T LISTEN TO OUR MINDS. NICE PEOPLE TEACH ABA AND I KNOW THEY LIKED ME BUT IT IS HARD TO ALWAYS BE TALKED TO LIKE A STUPID PERSON. NO ABA IS GOOD I AM LEARNING SO MANY INTERESTING THINGS NOW. I HOPE ABA STOPS FOR ALL AUTISTICS. IT IS HORRIBLE I FEEL SAD TALKING ABOUT IT.”
    He cried as he was spelling this out. He also told me earlier this week when I asked him what his earliest memory is from when he was younger “I AM EACH DAY ABAING AND I HATE IT”
    It’s the presuming incompetence in ABA that did the most damage, making him prove he knew things beyond a shadow of a doubt before he can move on when he doesn’t have a cooperating body did a lot of damage. You just can’t make assumptions about a child that can’t express themselves. It makes it even harder when it’s nice people that act like they care about you treating you like this. Anyways, thanks again for posting this, it was Ido’s book that inspired me to learn RPM and all of the blogs you linked to helped me understand autism better before I could talk to my son about it.

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    1. The thing about presuming competence is that it’s really, really contrary to what ABA professional culture thinks of as evidence based. Which says a lot about what “evidence-based” means.

      And the thing about seeming to like therapists is… They are good at using reinforcement to get what they want, and they want to believe that their clients like them and are being helped. They reinforce behavior that makes this appear to be true.

      Or, put another way: They teach you that there is no escape, and then they treat you better if you act like you like them. So of *course* a lot of people are going to act like they like them.

      In that power dynamic, willing affect is not meaningful.

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    2. basically ABA is dog training for us with autism
      weather it’s good bad or whatever that what it is , :(

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      1. “basically ABA is dog training for us with autism
        weather it’s good bad or whatever that what it is”

        That is an utterly baseless comment.

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        1. When an alleged ABA expert says a good point in a good debate about ABA is “baseless” – that ABA is the same as dog training, which it is in many ways, since non-human “organisms,” as they may call us, organisms, have verbal behavior also – then that ABA expert is then, automatically, your “subject” of investigation, if you can look at it that way. It is treating you inhumanely! Those objects, ABA inhumane practicioners, are empathy-disabled, because technically, to those robots, the feelings of other people are unobservable, uncountable, and uncontrollable, as they cannot possibly modify things inside others they cannt see; your feelings are not, therefore, officially, ABA “data” in their cruel scheme of life!

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          1. That looks like it needs some Heinz salad dressing. You’re just looking for ANYthing you can find to demonise this stuff.

            I cannot take you seriously.

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        2. huh what is baseless mean .do you get help or had behavioral therhies .i still do but it very diff from when I was younger .

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  53. To those saying that what sociallyanxiousadvocate is describing “isn’t real ABA”:

    Here’s a reinforcement inventory, for use figuring out which reinforcers are likely to be effective:

    Click to access reinforcementinventory.pdf

    The rubric for children includes (among other things): reading, looking at books, kidding and joking, talking to others, helping others, playing a musical instrument, being hugged and kissed, learning a new language, taking piano lessons, being read to, individual conference or counseling, and opportunity to masturbate.

    The list for adults includes (among other things): computers, fruit, listening to music, singing, bagels, wine, aerobics, vacations, having others listen, visiting friends, looking at books, and putting on makeup

    Using something as a reinforcer means that someone only gets it if they comply with the therapist’s instructions.

    Do you consider these to be real ABA?

    It is ok to make a teenager’s opportunities to masturbate contingent on meeting therapy goals? What about their access to reading? What about their access to counseling?

    What about adults? Is it ok to control an adult’s access to food in order to get them to cooperate with therapy? What about their access to their friends? What about their access to books, makeup, and magazines?

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    1. “It is ok to make a teenager’s opportunities to masturbate contingent on meeting therapy goals?”

      Well, if the goals of therapy in that issue are the identification of a suitable place to do it, then yes – it IS okay to do that.

      Unless you want autistic teens just going around wanking all over the place in public.
      Which is what you’ll get if you don’t teach the identification of a suitable place in which to masturbate.

      What bit of this is too difficult for you? Because – to me – that much is just plain bloody obvious.

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    2. “Do you consider these to be real ABA?”

      What do YOU consider to be real ABA?

      You keep asking a load of questions but you don’t actually say much.

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    3. You’ve posted that reinforcement inventory a lot here. And that’s great. But do you even understand how it is used? Just because there is a list of things on there, doesn’t mean that each and every thing is “exploited” to MAKE someone do what you decide to do! What if the favorite food is chocolate? Is it responsible to allow free-access to chocolate whenever the child wants? What about the adult? If an adult is receiving services, more likely than not, they’re in an institution or group home where their meals are provided for them. Also, their days would be proscribed for them as well. So is the opportunity to earn some extra of your favorite treat for some hard work an ethical dilemma? Let me put it to you this way: If I pick up an extra shift so I can go skiing next weekend, is THAT an ethical dilemma? Skiiing would be on my list of reinforcing activities on this inventory, and it would certainly be withheld if I 1) couldn’t afford it or 2) didn’t have the accrued time off to take the trip!

      As for “advocating for the use of punishment.” I have seen this touted over and over again. The JRC flashed around as a presenter at ABAI as demonstrative of the evil ABA empire. Well, let me just sit here and say it. Yep. Behavior analysts use punishment. With oversight. With CONSENT FROM THE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS. For DANGEROUS, LIFE-THREATENING BEHAVIORS. It’s not in the ethics code explicitly because it’s in our literature. It’s in our classes. In our ethics classes, in our concept classes, it was repeated in every damn class I ever took – every behavior analyst has advocated against the use of punishment UNLESS the person is trying to kill himself or others. Or blind himself. Or eat his flesh. You want case reports on these things? Look it up! As a culture, we shut cases like that in institutions where we don’t have to hear it or see it, but there are brave people out there, who take these cases and say – hmm.. Maybe they don’t have to spend 80% of their day in restraints. Maybe they can get out of that padded room. Maybe they can be treated more HUMANELY. If you see a BCBA today using lemon spray to teach compliance or electric shock to engage in “normal play,” call the behavior analyst certification board. Get their license revoked. You don’t believe that we’re policing our field? Just check out the website. As a science-practitioner model, the field is constantly growing. Let’s do something productive to help it grow! Nobody should ever have to suffer, but to say that “ABA is… (fill-in with any statement that I have read over and over again!)” is the same as me sitting here saying that “occupational therapy is bunk because in my experience, all they ever did was have kids jump to stop tantrumming until it escalaes to the point that kids smash their head through a window because they never learned to wait their turn.” Yup. That was MY experience of witnessing OT. Now do I go around town telling parents that OT causes life-threatening aggression? Bet you guessed that I don’t. Rather, I pocket that experience to make sure I watch what is going on to prevent harm like that from ever happening again.

      I’m not here to discount anyone’s experience as I have myself been a victim of poor therapy. It just angers me when facts are presented in ignorance. Every instance of our evolutionary, cultural and social history has context. All of it. Facts outside of context are just meant to incite emotions, blur thinking and destroy the possibility for rational conversation.

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      1. Correction: The Ass. of Behavior Analysis International (ABAI) not only lets Judge Rotenberg Center (JRC) extremely painful electric skin shock “torturers” present programs at its events, ABAI also officially “approves” JRC skin shock as being “aligned” with ABAI’s “mission.” This is the kind of dissemination which led me to conclude that ABA is pseudoscience. True science is open about all the facts, not only the facts that make it like look good in practice. ABA is big business, not science! Furthermore, what about the dissent of the child who wants the punitive behaviorist to get of her face, when JRC parents are free to have sex with their partners without their troubled children getting in the way who are imprisoned at JRC and shocked for popping their pimples and getting out of their seats?! http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-judge-rotenberg-center-school-of.html

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  54. there a big on going investigation at the sped Ed privet school I went to on abuse there were some staff that were supper nice if you did everything you were told you got treas like takin out for ice cream an do on .so aba is dangouis in the way that no child will say anything or think it wrong when special treats and gifts are involved all way check behaviors not everything is from autism

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  55. So, where is this Autistic Community that you speak of? Is it in Europe? North America?, or its own island? He continually puts autism in front of the person, community, etc… and shows a complete lack of knowledge on what the correct basic language is, when speaking about people with disabilities… Which, in turn makes me question his knowledge of more complex information. Unfortunately, I do not feel as though this article/ blog was written by an actual BCBA with the proper education to actually be a skilled behavior analyst.

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    1. Kiki – what exactly are you asking? Are you asking where to find the autistic community? I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are actually interested in connecting with the community, but your answer is dripping pretty heavily with sarcasm, so it’s hard to be sure.

      If you are ACTUALLY interested in understanding what autistic people are discussing, interested in, commenting on, and connecting about, then you need to click on the links embedded in this post, because they are the actually autistic people/community you are inquiring about – and seem to be dismissing.

      Regarding the use of “autistic person” vs. “person with autism”. Yes, the “professional community” prefers to use the term “person with……x…..”. The fact is that, in this blog post, The author uses “autistic person” because the autistic people whose words she has read/listened to PREFER THAT. Here is a link, which includes additional links, explaining the difference between IDENTITY-FIRST and person-first language:

      http://autisticadvocacy.org/home/about-asan/identity-first-language/

      Click on the links. Read the words that autistic people have written. Listen to them. Because if you don’t listen to the words (written or spoken) that the people you’re proporting to help are sharing, then you’re not helping.

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  56. I found this article via Kathy Snow’s Disability Is Natural website. I find the discussion enlightening and thought-provoking. Full disclosure here that in PT school ABA was not viewed very favorably. It’s variations and lack of consistent practices made it suspect, as well as some of the claims to “cure” autism.

    That being said, after reading this piece and several of the links I think that there are two extremes being presented. On the one hand, it appears that some are advocating no consequences or redirection for children with autism. Hitting oneself, screaming, and engaging in other aggressive socially inappropriate behaviors is not okay. No one would tolerate that kind of behavior from neurotypical children and it should not be tolerated from children with autism. Children with autism are still children. Simply ignoring or worse allowing the behavior to continue is not preparing these children to be independent individuals. The approach may be different with children who have autism. Modifications/adaptions in the environment/schedule based on the child’s sensory needs may be necessary, but poor behavior still must be addressed.

    On the other hand, spending forty hours a week on eye-contact is a non-functional activity. How does eye-contact really make one more independent? It does not. Additionally, no child should be subjected to 40 hours a week of intense therapy in my mind. When do they have time to be a child? When do they have time to practice skills in a natural environment with peers? What about a normal childhood for these kids? The focus should be on helping children managing/ replacing their stimming behavior, not forced eradication. After all, neurotypicals engage in stimming behaviors we just don’t notice it (anyone click their pen repeatedly? bounce their leg when sitting?).

    As therapists (of all kinds) we do have to encourage children and adults (depending on practice setting) to engage in activities they may not want to do. We are like coaches or personal trainers in that respect. Sometimes we may even have to push people beyond their comfort zones at times. But there is a fine line between coaching and intimidating and pushing someone to do their best and breaking someone’s will. We need to look for cues, respect a child’s no, and understand when they have reached their limit.

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    1. Hi Pediatric PT. You make a lot of good points – but there’s one bit in your post that I think highlights the disconnect that the author is pointing to:

      ” Hitting oneself, screaming, and engaging in other aggressive socially inappropriate behaviors is not okay. No one would tolerate that kind of behavior from neurotypical children and it should not be tolerated from children with autism. ”

      There’s a great post on one of my favorite blogs – http://adiaryofamom.com/2014/03/19/just-what-these-kids-do/ – that speaks to an important assumption – that these “behaviors” are JUST socially inappropriate, when in fact, they are often MORE – which is what the autistic bloggers referenced in the links are trying to say.

      We neurotypicals make assumptions ALL THE TIME. We need to stop and shift our thinking, because we’re not autistic and we’re NOT experiencing the world in the same way. A neurotypical child does NOT experience the world the same way an autistic child does, so to say the behavior wouldn’t be “tolerated” really doesn’t fit, because chances are, the “same” behaviors are happening for completely different reasons. For example – a tantrum and a meltdown are COMPLETELY different. One is controllable and selfish, the other is a reaction to situation/stimuli that is beyond the control of the individual experiencing it.

      Self-injurious, screaming, aggressive, etc. behaviors aren’t “just because”, they are happening for a reason, and should not be behaviorially modified, but investigated. One autistic author created a checklist to help people understand WHY this is going on and to dig deeper, not just try to stop it because it’s “not socially acceptable”, but to stop what’s CAUSING it. http://wearelikeyourchild.blogspot.com/2014/05/a-checklist-for-identifying-sources-of.html

      Sure, autistic kids need discipline like other kids. It’s not ok to throw things or scream when you’re frustrated. BUT we can easily ask a speaking child what’s up.

      Behavior is communication – for all children. But when the communication pathways are scrambled or otherwise impacted, assuming that “inappropriate” behaviors are just what autistic people do and that they have to be fixed is at the heart of this issue.

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      1. it really bad when parents don’t help there child with certain behaviors because something’s are just being a kid an may be amip up more by the autism .like if the child is very smart an non verbly when little an y
        the parent excuse the tantrum by giving in the child will learn all they have to do is .throw a fit an they get there way .i was t hf as a child an my parents did there best not to carter to tantrums unless they thought it was a good reason upset .but if it was be use I didn’t want to do something or wasn’t getting my way whatever an I was flipping out they ignore it when I got older an understood langue better my parents an sped teachers would say when you are done come join me agin or my mom would say why don’t you go to your room an when u get yourself under control you can come back .but sometimes are behavior is the only coummtuion we have if we are sick .or someone is mistreating the child then they need to first see if something wrong .before working on new behavior plan

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        1. I really appreciate your comment: “if we are sick .or someone is mistreating the child then they need to first see if something wrong .before working on new behavior plan.” So sad that it’s not the norm to FIRST see if something is wrong.

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          1. I no I fall apart or have bad copping skills when I’m not feeling well or on overload an I can’t allways verbly tell someone right away .unless someone no me supper good they won’t pick up on it .an just see me acting a certain way not no why

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  57. This was an interesting read and I resonated with quite a bit. After I received my BA, I worked part-time doing “classical” ABA with a preschool-aged autistic child one-on-one. The program was basically an ABA preschool, and was a pilot for other schools in the district.

    The manner in which my training was delivered was hard to argue with: the only evidenced-based method that improved autism? Before I began working I had never even heard of ABA, so I was a blank slate for everything that I learned.

    However, the work itself never felt natural to me. I was not able to play with the child or engage with him the way I had been used to (having worked with young children for 4 years prior). I really felt how that piece was missing. I found myself increasing the reward periods, wherein the child had completed the task or answered correctly. I found myself playing longer with the child than the program curriculum allowed.

    There were several times I was approached by a supervisor, and asked why I had done what I did. Once, I was asked why I said something, and who told me I could say that to the child? It wasn’t part of his specific program, and I was compromising the data. Everything was about the data collected, not the child.

    In the beginning of my training, our program supervisor said that there was no proof the mind existed.. my jaw dropped. I knew from the start that there were fundamental differences between my perspective of psychology and that of this particular program, and ABA methods.

    Although I found the kiddo I worked with to be making “improvements”, that is, learning new skills from the curriculum book, I had questions about what that really meant. One of our goals was to generalize these skills to new environments, but how is that possible when the skills are learned in one environment ( a sterile cubicle) every day, week in and week out? What made more sense to me was spending more time in natural environments, lending more opportunities to learn about how the child moves about in the REAL world, with real people.

    My kiddo and I did form an attachment, and I was sad to say goodbye only 6 months later, but I knew I wasn’t right for that type of work in that specific setting. Years later, I’ve heard he was mainstreamed into 1st grade. I went on to get my MA in Psychotherapy and specialize in 0-5, which has definitely expanded my perspective of mental health! I’m happy to read that I’m not the only one with criticisms about ABA from the inside.

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  58. I know this door, I walked through it many many times with my child and eventually left due to partly what has been said in this article.

    I would like to know where a parent like me who knows this treatment is dehumanizing and can be harmful emotionally and cognitively goes next?

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    1. Hi Red Door – not sure what you’re looking for, exactly, but if you click on the links of the blogs mentioned above, you can usually contact the bloggers and ask questions. They often have facebook pages, and they often have links to other bloggers and professionals. Also, feel free to visit autistikids.com – I have a resources page that may connect you with what you’re looking for, or with someone who can point you in the right direction. Hugs to you!

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  59. Thank you so much for your courage and empathy. Like all of us, children with autism have goals for their behaviors, and their subjective perceptions are too often neglected. I admire your intelligence, egalitarianism, compassion, and bravery.

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  60. It is obvious you had a very limited experience in your own field, and that you were swayed by the DSM crowd who seek excuses and enablement rather than actual results. Many parents of autistics want results without the work. They want the child to learn proper behavior but only if the child dictates the method. This is poor judgement on its face. The main issue against ABA is that the mainstream DSM crowd is against it, primarily because it does not embrace the labels of the DSM, they just get results.

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  61. Here is the blog post on Reward and Consent that exposed the fact of the Association for Behavior Analysis (ABAI) International’s official “approval” of what the United Nations calls “torture,” painful electric skin shock contingent upon noncompliance, disturbing a classroom lesson, and other behaviors.

    After this post was distributed in social media such as Facebook, then the Autistic Self Advocacy Network followed up with the same news about ABAI’s official approval of the Judge Rotenberg Center (JRC) a few days later.

    Michelle Dawson, autistic researcher, had previously exposed the strong ties of ABAI and JRC.

    Up until Dave Jersey of Reward and Consent exposed this approval, ABAI had been claiming in social media that it remained neutral as to JRC’s shock treatments, claiming to Dave that ABAI was neither in favor nor opposed to shock, officially. Dave exposed this claim as false.

    Reward and Consent was probably the first publication, other than ABAI’s own convention program books, which contains the proof of ABAI’s official approval of JRC.

    Of course, it doesn’t matter too much who exposed this fact first ASAN or Reward and Consent, as long as the news gets out there. It would be nice of ASAN to acknowledge the investigative work, though.

    Dave Jersey

    http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-judge-rotenberg-center-school-of.html

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  62. Anxious Advocate, thank you for taking the time/energy to reflect on the ethical implications of ABA-based therapies, and for seeking out firsthand experiences of people with autism. Despite the errors and inaccurate generalizations made about the field of ABA in your write-up, the importance of this conversation is not lost on me. As a graduate student in behavior analysis who cares about the social-emotional well-being of my clients, these questions are critical, and I’m thinking about them every day.

    Though I am embarrassed by the few people who resorted to name-calling and person-bashing in the name of ABA, I want to assure you that most of the commenters were just trying make sure your post disseminated behavior analysis accurately. Since you’ve read the ethical code, you are aware that it is also our responsibility to “make reasonable efforts to prevent others whom [we] do not oversee (e.g., employers, publishers, sponsors, organizational clients, and representatives of the print or broadcast media) from making deceptive statements concerning behavior analysts’ practices or professional or scientific activities” (8.03b). I think that the previous commenters did a great job explaining why some of your statements were either inaccurate or broad-sweeping generalizations, so I won’t repeat those explanations again.

    After reading through your post and the comments to follow, my own take-home points are that ABA-based therapies and the therapists that implement them have historically fallen anywhere on the spectrum from extremely punishing (to the point of being traumatic) to extremely reinforcing (to the point of being life-changing). The personal experiences posted throughout the comments section really do run the gamut, and I want to validate the experiences of the people whose posts you shared. But because ABA isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, I want to learn ways to promote behavior analytic practices on the “extremely reinforcing” end of that spectrum. Like many of the behavioral instructors who’ve commented here, my personal experiences do fall more on that end, but my positive experiences don’t cancel out the abuses of power that do happen. The aversive/traumatic therapies that still occur in the name of ABA need to be discussed and taken seriously.

    On Tuesday, we’ll be discussing this article in an “Ethics of Behavior Analysis” course at one of the top behavior analysis programs in the country, not on the basis of its scientific merit (if anything, your article has highlighted a lot of the assumptions and misunderstandings about ABA as a field), but on the valid ethical issues we’ll be working with. This is something that many of us in the field take very seriously, and something we ARE thinking and talking about. What I’d love to bring to the discussion on Tuesday are more ways we can promote ethical, positive behavior analytic practices that put the well-being of the client first. It is also in our ethical code that behavior analysts “involve the client in the planning of and consent for behavior-change programs” (4.02). Though this is written in the context of an individual client, I think we can do a better job of this if we can learn from the people who’ve been in our clients’ shoes previously, especially if our client doesn’t yet have the functional repertoire to self-advocate. If any people who have been part of ABA-based therapies read this in the next few days, I want to know what you think we should keep in mind. If you loved your ABA-based therapy or therapist, what did you love about it? If it was traumatic, what could have been done differently? What specifically made you feel like your competence was not presumed, and what can we do to ensure that our clients feel safe and accepted? How can we ensure that our assessments and interventions are person-first and truly helpful?

    Anxious Advocate, you write that you’d love to work with behaviorists to change the field. I agree that the most effective way to make changes to a system is from the inside out, and you have an audience of dozens of behavior analytic students: here’s a chance!

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  63. Thank you. This needed saying.

    When ‘cure’ is commonly spoken of in ‘curist’ circles, those who are truthfully ***cured*** are the parents / caretakers / Owners… The autist vanishes – disappears – is *erased*; and the thing that is actually cured is the Owner’s disgrace at supposedly ***choosing*** to express their ‘bad’ side.

    If this is sounding like ‘racial / social hygiene’ – that’s because the mindset is identical.

    One might wonder about referring to ‘curists’ – those obsessed with their own social standing to the point of murder (figuratively or, unfortunately, literally at times) as ***Owners***.

    When one destroys a sentient being (psychologically) and then remakes them in a manner of one’s choosing, one does not merely abrogate unto oneself ***the power of life and death**(and thereby become God to the individual being thusly *dominated*).

    One is also following in the historical steps of Slavers throughout history. In ‘Slavery and Social Death’, Patterson devotes an entire chapter to the methods used by slaveowners to destroy the former lives of their slaves and remake them into ‘new’ individuals – much as if each Master were operating as per Lovaas’ quote about ‘having the appearance of a person, but nothing being present…’ where he speaks of creating a person *from scratch*..

    The goal of slavemasters is to make an individual who is alive to themselves ***alone*** – and by extension, dead to all others, including themselves – and thereby becoming God to their *property* (as far as outright *control* is concerned.

    Flax, in commenting about slavery, names it ‘socially sanctioned pathological Narcissism’.

    No, this is not about you – the therapist; the parent; the caretaker – the owner, the slavemaster. This is not about your convenience, your privilege, your power, your *worship*… (if the latter sounds far-fetched, read descriptions of how ABA trained children react to authority figures: total focus upon that person, and compliance to their whim irrespective of their own well-being. Yes, Massa, you the God…).

    “Relations of Domination” (Patterson’s term) speak of the dominant-subordinant interactions between masters and slaves. Society as a whole (where slavery was present) had attitudes which made this way of (abusive) life possible – in that it looked up to slaveowners and elevated their social ranking.

    If you want to climb socially – one effectual way is to have an ‘autistic’ child and then convert said ***thing*** into a real-life ‘human being’. Instant ***celebrity***!!! People will Look at you! They will follow you, imitate you, quote your sayings as if Scripture! You can do no wrong!

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    1. Did you really compare a scientifically validated form of therapy to one of the worst crimes against humanity? I don’t know how you came to that conclusion, but that is not what behavior analysis is. I’m actually a little disturbed that you made that connection. You are obviously religious. I encourage you to do a little more research on ABA before you post on anything relating to the topic. This is a science; a very effective science. It has nothing to do with slavery, or becoming a god or anything to that nature. It’s an empirically validated form of therapy that can and does improve the lives of those with autism if used correctly, as I stated in my initial comment to the post. Again, I strongly encourage you to research modern implementations of ABA. You’ll be surprised at what you find. It is nothing similar to the old ways of implementing Applied Behavior Analysis. You might know the older term as behavior modification. Please, and I’m respectfully asking you, please do not compare ABA to slavery, and do not emphasize a connection between it and religious symbolism. It has its place, but it is not here.

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      1. Yes, there is something disturbing about comparing slavery and the use of ABA techniques. But why does disturbing have to mean bad or inappropriate. I thought Dennis’ analysis was very powerful and thought-provoking. Rather than shutting down the discussion, I wish people would ask Dennis WHY he feels so strongly, and really try to understand his perspective. Anyone in any helping role–behavior analysts, psychotherapists, doctors, social workers, teachers, clergy, etc.–holds a tremendous amount of power and privilege. They truly do play a role in shaping who people become, for better or worse. Whether or not they should, they can be social gatekeepers, enforcers of social norms. Anyone holding that kind of power ought to be challenged to ensure that they are using their power responsibly.

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        1. I agree. Anyone in a helping role has a tremendous amount of power and, as such, should be questioned and challenged to ensure that they are using their power in a responsible manner. His analysis was very eye-opening, and it made me look back on certain things that I have been taught in the past. However, while disturbing does not always mean bad or inappropriate, what I feel IS inappropriate is the comparison of ABA techniques to slavery. While some clients do have restricted freedom, many times it’s because they can hurt themselves if they are left to their own devices (I’m talking about those that genuinely need someone to help care for them). Think of the elderly. Many times they have restricted freedom. If, for example, your grandmother had trouble walking around and has a history of falling and breaking bones, you would not want her to walk around without someone at her side to assist her. If left alone and she tries to walk around, she has a higher chance of falling and injuring herself.Some falls can be fatal. The same goes with your children. Young children do not yet understand the dangers of the world. As such, their freedom must be limited to avoid danger. “Be back inside after dark”, “stop playing with that [insert sharp object here], you’ll cut yourself”, and “Don’t touch the stove, you’ll burn yourself” are all things we have heard as children, among many other things. This ensures that we are protecting our children from the dangers of the environment. To a degree, the “live and learn” mindset is accurate. But what happens when “live and learn” turns into “I don’t know where my child/parent/grandparent is because I wasn’t paying attention and now I may never see them again?” This applies to those with developmental disabilities who require a caretaker to help them with everyday life. I realize that it’s different for people who are assisted with ABA techniques, but comparing them to slavery just because of limited freedom is a bit unfair. Do other things happen? Yes. Do they encompass the majority of cases? No. The definition of slavery is much more detailed than that, so comparing it and ABA is very inappropriate.

          I do not wish to shut down his discussion. Not once have implied that. But if you examine what slavery actually is and how it is still affecting the world (because slavery does still exist, and it’s absolutely horrid), ABA does not resemble slavery in the slightest other than limiting freedom, which as I have pointed out is often for the individual’s safety. I apologize if you read my reply as a personal attack on his viewpoint as this was not my intention. I would just like people to do some research on various topics they may not be familiar with before putting them in an online comment, and be able to recognize when something may not be appropriate to bring up.

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          1. I have autism have had many types of therapies .i will allways need some help .even though I’m way more independent than I ever was .i have to say I’m very offended that you would compare ABA to slavery or anything like that .that an insult in so many way .i have joke that ABA at time feels like being treated like a puppy your trying to socialize an teach app behavior skills .but yo compaire it yo any of those is not even close .if I hadn’t had any of them I wouldn’t be were I am now good or bad
            I think the supper mild self Dx people like to speak for us when they really don’t even know are language or should even dare compare then self to some of us .haveing a disabîlty is a PIA .those it not as bad as when younger I’m still affected by it .i font think it cool to have autism or ld .i don’t understand why some do

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            1. Artwork, I write a blog on the ethics of ABA. I wish to intervew independent adults who had ABA and who are free to speak now as adults about ABA without any consequences from parents or ABA therapists any more in their lives. I have not yet interviewed people who said they had ABA and it was a good experience. Would you like me to intervew you about your ABA experiences? I would appreciate that. Please respond in this thread. Dave. http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com

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          2. I’m Jewish an when people try to compaire things to the holocaust holocaust I find it insulting becuse nothing come close to that explsy when you lost large amount of family members .to me it insulting same with slavry .both still going on one way or another cant even come close yes any therhy were a child is being control an not having any choice is wrong that is more abuse same as verble to .i font no how to explain it any better .i like dense to talk about his experiences growing up with therhies as a child teen

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            1. The first portion of the killing (re Shoa) was ‘Aktion T-4’, named after Tiergartenstrasse number 4 in (if I recall correctly) in Berlin.

              Essentially, the Nazis ‘practiced’ on the disabled – where they learned ‘the arts of fumigation’ (the use of Zyklon-B and other lethal gases for murder), ‘the pleasure of starvation’; and ‘the use of the syringe’ in their murderous quest to create a monochromatic vision of humanity – a *synchronized* world (Gleichschaltung) where every living being knew instinctually its’ place in the (magical) ‘great chain of being’ – with the whole having Hitler as its foremost deity, and the whole functioning magically to first form the ‘social collective’ (Volksgemeinschaft) and then achieve total world domination.

              This is ultimately what was being sought through the ‘racial purity laws’ / Nurember laws.

              (From ‘The Nazi Doctors’, R. J. Lifton)

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          3. I have lived as an (informal) slave for a number of years as a boy. For much of that decade’s time, I feared for my life. I found the black-taped bludgeon, which was intended to crush my skull should I give my then-current ***master*** trouble. I could do no right under them -12 to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, hard labor, constant complaints about my eating too much… Oh, and then there was the shotgun, too.

            Later, two people (the first a nurse from Ukraine, so her comments had weight ) compared my lot to living in a concentration camp. The second individual, a decade later (I think he might have been from Africa, originally) spoke similarly.

            40 years ago, you just had to worry about lots of outwardly visible signs so as to stay out of trouble with the law – don’t put them in the ER regularly. If you do bust them up, have a good alibi and do character assassination so the authorities believe your word over theirs. IF you work it right and game the system appropriately, you can spin it so’s you are seen as the victim, and your prey deserving of your righteous wrath – all those years of torture – the sleep deprivation (sort of like, uh, ABA – drill them to exhaustion, then drill them some more – “no sleep until I’m totally satified (slap!)” – threats of starvation, longer-still hours – oh, and not allowing bathing after an arbitrary hour, knowing well how it had become torture… The motive:

            “I wii have obedience, or I will have your life.”

            I just wish I had had a tenth of Frederick Douglass’ courage then.

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          4. Slavery is about “the possession of total control over another person, such that the master’s will takes absolute precedence over all other matters in the life of the slave.”

            When you demand compliance – when you see another as an objectified tool (which is central to the practice of Lovaas’methods, as evidenced by his comments) then you make that dehumanized individual into YOUR SLAVE.

            The life of the slave can be summed up simply as “it’s all about Massa – he the God.” The position of the master is a dominant one, where he exercises absolute domination, uttermost power, (life and death, both literal and figurative) and complete control – where the power differential is SO vast that all the slave EVER sees from that quarter is “dominance power and control.”

            Masters, at best, ignore the sufferings of their chattels – if they do not have Nietsche’s concepts rummaging through the twisted corridors of their mind, and relish the suffering of their property as a testimony to their power.

            Slaves are tools existing to do their master’s will. They remain in that state until late they either escape (as I did) or they are emancipated (as seldom happens to autists).

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            1. Great argument. I agree. Applied behavior analysts behave as though they are masters and very sadistic masters at that. They even go so far as to try to teach children that it is not OK to say no to an actual abuser.

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  64. My biggest issue with this is what you call “compliance training”. I’m a student of Applied Behavior Analysis and in my entire curriculum, not once have I been instructed to use compliance training in that sense. The term “compliance training”, when used correctly, is a procedure used to increase compliance with aspects of the individual’s health such as dental hygiene, doctor’s appointments, etc. If the individual (in your case a child but in my case, an adult) does not comply with certain medical requests, it could be very harmful to them and in extreme circumstances, fatal. As therapists, behavior analysts want the best for their clients. When they say “no” to a medical procedure or hygiene requirement, they are effectively neglecting their health, though through no fault of their own. You were also dealing with children. Notice how I did not specify “autistic children”. This is because all children detest any kind of medical procedure or hygiene requirement. In fact, most children find demands in general to be aversive. I do not know if you have children but think of it this way; if your child needs a root canal to stop the horrible pain they are experiencing, would you drop the issue if they said “no”? If you are like most parents, you would not. You would explain to your child that they need to have this done to stop the pain and to prevent problems further down the road. If the request you have made is not mandatory (which would be anything involving the health of the individual) then they have every right to say no. If it is mandatory, back off and then ask again in 5-10 minutes. They almost always change their mind. I am not sure who you were working under when you were told that an individual cannot say no. That is a false statement. They can always say no, and if it is not mandatory, you thank them for telling you what they want to do, and then you back off. It’s as simple as that. It doesn’t differ in any way shape or form whether the individual is nonverbal, either. The same rules apply. If they tell you no, as long as it isn’t health related, that’s fine. You WANT them to be able to tell you what they want. And yes, being nonverbal has no affect on intelligence. They are just as capable of telling you what they want as verbal individuals. They have alternate forms of communication. You actually want to reinforce their behavior when they say no to a non-mandatory request. That shows that they have gained a skill. A very important skill. You can’t discount an entire profession simply because you were taught an incorrect form of compliance training. Behavior analysts do improve lives, and the research and personal experiences reflect that. It’s the ones that implement interventions incorrectly without the proper education, training, or supervision where you start having problems.

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    1. ok I have autism hear one diff all kids need routin .sturte displaine an so on but when it comes to us kids an adults with disabiltys not everyone dose this but more do then don’t .they tend to treat us diff less then or to sets of rules sometimes expecting more from the child with autism then the nt one like thinking everything they do is a behavior needs to be fix .when some of it is just being a kid .then some adults get tread like big kids this really drives me nuts .it happens to me at times so rude like how you are spoken to .now some adults are very low f an need 24/7 care so thst diff ,an as long as they are allways being respected that great but didn’t allways hapoen .i understand what your saying .i had ABA type therhies an other stuff to as I got older I think some Iusse I have are from it .those that are mild end don’t understand what me an my friends or other who stay very impaired .so they think .they can speak for all of us .i can talk beter now so I feel like I’m speaking from my expernices only

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      1. Thank you for your reply! It is always nice to hear from someone who has been through this kind of thing. First off, let me apologize for all of those who have ever disrespected you. I have been taught to always vocalize what I think could be done for someone but ultimately it is their decision, as they are adults. Being respectful is a big part of the job, and I pride myself in always being respectful to anyone regardless of who they are. There are many analysts who are blind to what is actually going on around them, that’s for sure. No matter the circumstances, nobody speaks for everyone. Anyone who thinks that they do is unfit to be doing whatever it is that they do. So again, I apologize for any disrespect and disregarding treatment that you have ever received. Not all behavior needs to be fixed. I completely agree. I think that the guidelines that dictate what is problem behavior and what is not need to be revisited, revised, and agreed upon with an overwhelming majority of votes; not just including the Board, but also including those who receive any kind of treatment. that would go a long way and as a result, interactions could improve. The world need more people like you. People that vocalize their experiences and look at the good as well as the bad.

        Thank you for your post, and have a great holiday season.

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      2. Hello, Artwork234 of WordPress. How are you? Do I understand you correctly? You are an autistic adult, you had ABA as a child, and you are glad you had ABA? You are very interesting. Are you speaking freely and independently now in these comments about this blog with the title “Why I left ABA” without any kind of punishing or reinforcing stimulus consequence from any parent or guardian or behavior analyst of yours?

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        1. Hi yes I have autism I am speaking
          Typing for me sometimes online other who don’t no me think it not me but it is
          I didn’t like aba but I wouldn’t compare it to the things you were for some
          I had other thethy an better aba as an Aba as an adult it can be bad ior good depending on how or done
          But when I was a child I didn’t understand why I was in trouble or lossing
          A reward an such it wasn’t done on a posticec way like now
          That what I was saying . I had many diff things an all help those some of the damage done from bad aba had to be work on hope this helps

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    2. You know, the author of this post is not the only person employed as a behavior therapist who had negative experiences working with BCBAs. I worked for one who persisted in running vocal imitation drills with a young child, though the child’s data indicated NO progress–no trends, just data all over the place–and the child wasn’t being taught any functional communication skills. I worked for another who wasn’t monitoring their clients closely enough, so one child had met criterion on each of the programs in their notebook and yet was still running the same drills every day. This same behavior analyst, while training me, “held the demand” with a child to the point that we ended the session with the child on the ground crying, with the behavior analyst standing over the child, hair disheveled, eyeglasses having fallen off. So please, to you and to all the other BCBAs on this thread who have been parroting the party line since May, just STOP. Your tunnel vision and arrogance are beyond frustrating. Yes, some behavior analysts do improve lives. But not all behavior analysts were supervised properly, not all are equally skilled, and some practice in ways that they just should not. The author appears to have encountered one of the latter, I have as well, and I am sadly confident that other former behavior therapists have, too. I loved working with my kids. I wanted to pursue certification. But, after the experiences I had, I felt more comfortable taking what I’d learned and using it to make me a better teacher and helping professional.

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      1. I respect your stance on the matter, and I can understand how much of this would be frustrating. However, I do feel the need to point out a few things. First, if you read my post carefully, you’ll notice that I said I was a student of ABA. This is true. In addition, as I’m sure you are aware, it is against the law to call yourself a behavior analyst unless you have board certification. Nowhere in my reply did I say that I was a behavior analyst; I’m simply a student working towards certification. The fact that you automatically assumed that I was a BCBA is a little alarming, as it implies that you do not have a complete idea on how the certification process works. Am I working with a BCBA? Yes. They are very knowledgeable and I am receiving very good training. I would hope however, that you do have an idea behind the certification process works to avoid jumping to conclusions about someone’s professional background.

        Second, the examples you provided are disturbing, yes. I am not arguing that point, and those analysts should suffer consequences for their actions. On the flip side however, I do believe that you are being unfair to many behavior analysts who do very good work. Saying that “some” analysts improve lives is like saying that “some” police officers improve lives. It is an officer’s job to improve lives and as such, a behavior analyst is responsible for the same thing, but different methods are applied. The majority of behavior analysts know what they are doing, as do police officers. Will you have bad apples? Yes. But you will have bad apples in every single professional field that exists in the world today. In every single profession, there are those who do not receive proper training, who do not receive proper supervision, who are in it for the power trip or their own personal gain; the list goes on and on. I am sorry that your experiences with behavior analysis ended like they did. I really am. But if you let those bad apples color your view of the entire profession, then you won’t ever be completely happy in any field that is chosen. There will always be those who do not deserve to be in a position; the trick is to find those people, outnumber them with those who do their job correctly and ethically and ultimately oust them.

        My third and final point is that I love every single one of the clients that I have had the opportunity to work with. They are some of the most intelligent people I have ever met and I enjoy being around them as much as I can. I make sure that their decisions are their decisions and nothing will come between that unless I have to employ a method to help save their life. I am not “parroting the party line”. I am simply addressing a concern I have with the post. I do not consider myself a traditional ABA student, as I am open to new ideas. I want to explore new methods to help those that I ultimately assist lead a comfortable, independent life. If I have an issue with an end goal of a client who’s guardian is making their decision for them because they are not able to consent, I will vocalize that concern. And I reserve the right to refuse service if it is going to harm the client in any way.

        As I already said, I am deeply sorry that your experiences ended that way. But don’t let it color your opinion of those that you do not know or may never know. We might just surprise you.

        Thank you for your reply, and I hope that you have a pleasant holiday season.

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        1. Even informed people misspeak and otherwise make errors. Any comments I made that implied I took you to be credentialed rather than a student were only errors on my part. I was well aware of the BACB’s credentialing process while I was in graduate school, and while I am not-up-to-date on any changes since then, I know where to get re-acquainted should I ever need to. Don’t go straight to being alarmed; sometimes people simply make mistakes.
          Within a given professional communities, people know one another, both by fact and by reputation. Sometimes that’s a good thing; sometimes, it’s not. And, if colleges or universities in the area are adding graduates to that community, the dynamic gets trickier: good training and habits can be perpetuated, but so can bad ones if not enough new ideas and perspectives are injected. And for students and young professionals, navigating the politics can be so tricky. And who one’s mentors, advisers, and supervisors were can work for a student/new professional or against him/her.
          I am glad to know that you are open to new ideas. And I apologize for pigeon-holing you. Not all ABA students and professionals are. I’ve encountered some to be too quick to dismiss ideas and techniques as “explanatory fictions,” not data-based, etc., instead of saying, where is the observable, measurable behavior here that can make this idea or technique useful? What behavioral principle does this reflect? That way of looking at things is not something I was able to do until after I left university and started working with children, families, and professionals from other disciplines. My adviser taught me that “everything is behavior,” so I went to work and started looking at the world through that lens.
          Next time you’re wandering through journals, I encourage you to check out the work on social validity if you’re not familiar with it. A basic keyword search in the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis will get you off to a good start. As the discussions continue about ethics in ABA, people who’ve had positive and negative experiences with ABA-based interventions, etc., I hope we’ll see a deeper understanding of and attention toward the role social validity.
          Best wishes as you continue along your journey!

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  65. Yes, I AM comparing ‘compliance training’ – which is what ABA is all about – to ENSLAVEMENT.

    Aba exists to make autists into compliant SLAVES – to ‘not embarass their owners’, to not cause their BETTERS trouble – to stay out of their betters’ way as those same betters climb ever higher in the dominance hierarchy.

    ABA will not change autists into Normies. (Even if it does provide those Normies DOING it with ‘the intoxication of power because they destroy a person and remake them into something THEY chose.)

    You might be able to ‘train’ an autist into ‘acting normal’ (as I was trained). This will NOT result in being accepted by society, as that requires BEING normal in full particulars – in acting by instinct, in prefering certain behaviors unthinkingly, automatically, consistently, instantly – and in truth, enjoying those same behaviors, finding them intrinsically rewarding.

    It took me over fifty years to learn about ‘social reality’. In doing so, I learned that there is ceaseless warfare in Normdom; that to be Normal is to be ‘an amoral power-obsessed predator’; to constantly strive to dominate others – much as if one were channeling O’brien in 1984 – to seek eternally ‘the intoxication of power’ – to derive pleasure from ‘stamping upon an upturned face, and doing so for all time’.

    To be human, ultimately, is to employ deception and manipulation – first of oneself, and then of others – so as to climb socially to the top of the dominance hierarchy; and, in the process, derive pleasure from cannibalizing ones’ stepping stools in the eternal zero-sum ‘game of power’ that each and every Normal person does every waking minute.

    If this sounds like ‘dwelling inside the mind of a (diagnosable) psychopath’, then you’re right. It does, and that simply because ‘under the hood’ within each and every Normal person is an instinct-driven facsimile of a chimpanzee, as is described in “a society where everyone is a sociopath” (search term).

    The key to ‘unleashing’ this ‘inner chimp’ / ‘inner psychopath’ is to first see oneself as superior to another, and in the process, regard this ‘Other’ as less than human. (This is the DEFAULT position of ALL autistic people in the eyes of Normdom).

    Congratulations! You have just taken the first step along the road to figurative genocide.

    Now, go further down that path. When you see *nothing* there – a blank expanse of canvas – and yourself as the creator of the vision YOU have within you, then you have become GOD – to will and to do as you please, while answering to no one save yourself.

    So you destroy the person who stands before you… No, scratch that foolishness. This is an IT, an object, a THING – and what you do is beautiful simply because YOU’VE done the work. It’s a part of YOU. (Yes, and if it does your will, you’ve created every Narcissist’s foremost desire. If it thinks to have a will of its own, then your rage will be unbounded… Perhaps you might be tempted toward murder, then? Lots of Normies do *just* that when their autistic property fails them – ah, the treason, the temerity!)

    And no, I am not a ‘troll’. I’m saying this out of the bitterness of my own heart. Granted, I did not endure formal ‘ABA’ when it was named that. I DID endure a vast amount of abuse from a truly horrifying number of people. I became ‘societally codependent’ – and received MORE abuse – and was finally diagnosed as autistic about eight years ago.

    Now I am having to ‘unlearn’ – or rather, ***trying*** to unlearn – all of what was pounded into me regarding ‘Normalization’. (yes, think ‘screams, slaps and love’). No, you don’t have to be a degreed professional to ‘break’ people.

    All that takes is being ‘Normal’ – or, perhaps ‘More Normal than Normal’.

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  66. Hello, again, Anxious Advocate and all your wonderfully concerned readers and commentators to “Why you left ABA.” What a tremendous blog! FYI, on my blog I show a video that was removed from YouTube which I had saved before it was taken down. I put it back up in my YouTube channel and embedded it into this post on my blog on the ethics of behavior modification, 100,000 page-views since 2007, Reward and Consent: “Applied Behavior Analysis forces a young boy to play. How ethical/unethical is this? You decide first, please.” http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/12/video-share-applied-behavior-analysts.html

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  67. I came across this article when I was reading up on the intensity of ABA therapy hours. When i was trained as a ABA therapist, we were given the information that for therapy to take effect, it must be intensive and occupy up to 40 hours for maximum effect. It made sense at first – how much progress can be achieved if therapy were to be like weekly tuition or music class? Ofcourse it had to be intensive. But was I began my work as a therapist, the intensive hours begin to raise question.

    Sure if the therapy hours were to be brought down to drastic level like 10 hours per week would indeed be ineffective, as frequency plays an vital world in making therapy work. But simply pushing the therapy hours all the way to 40 hours per week based on the logic that the more hours of therapy they get, they more progress they can make and there fore the child should spend as much waking hours they have on therapy is indeed very exhausting for the child and back fires in some instances. I’ve lost count of how many times i get ‘inaccurate/delayed’ responses from the child just because they were exhausted after a long day of therapy and simply wasnt motivated anymore. Often time neurotypical people behave in the exact same way – we get home after a long day at work and we are not motivated to do certain things we find taxing, and it’s a perfectly normal response. In fact when this exact same behavior occurs in a neurotypical person, it is encouraged – sure you had a long day at work, let’s do the laundry tomorrow and watch netflix and chill. But when a child exhibits this same behavior during therapy, it would always boil down to changing the reinforcer to a more motivating one, or the therapist needs to find ways for the child to stay motivated.

    Even when the child’s exhaustion is address, the way ABA focuses on maximum therapy hours fails to address and fix this problem at it’s root. Instead of slightly cutting down therapy hours that would very well in result in the child coping better with therapy and thus produce better responses during therapy, the long hours of therapy continue to drain the child, resulting in a very tired child giving wrong responses and the need to repeat the same programmes again and again day in day out. Therapy hours should be tailored to the child’s need, not pushing every single one of them to get 40 hours,

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    1. The point in these long hours of ‘therapy’ is to teach the nascent ***slave*** that their master’s pleasure -his pride, his will, extension of his social rank, his dominance – is more important than the well-being of his *chattel(s)*.

      An obvious corollary is ‘lesser beings do not have rights (which is why children with the appropriate instinct manifesting in the social realm are exempted from these tortures -their being recognized as Normal that way pays THEIR fees that way). Istead, lesser beings must satisfy their owners that said owners grant them whatsoever pleases those same owners.’

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  68. Let me guess, I bet you didn’t google anything relating to people with Autism that thought ABA was great and helped them.

    How long did you work at that center, all of two weeks? It couldn’t have been that long judging by how much incorrect information is in this article. Since when in ABA are children not given choices? Sure, some things might be uninteresting but guess what, 12 years in public education schools were uninteresting to some of us neurotypicals but we had to go and learn for our own good. I didn’t want to do my homework when I was in school but I had to.

    Then you talk about compliance, once again, if you worked in ABA long enough, you would know that the kids always have a program that teaches them to say no when given an instruction that’s innopropriate. If I told a kid to go pull someone’s hair, they learn that they should not do that. We ask them if they want to do this or that and they can say no if they don’t want to. Think about how far you would’ve gotten if you didn’t comply with your parents or your teachers rules and instructions.

    I like how you pointed out that it was wrong they had to earn rewards. YEAH, that’s why they’re called rewards! You don’t get to have skittles and video games all the time without asking for it or without earning it. That how it is for BOTH neurotypical kids and kids on the autism spectrum. So I fail to see why you would think this was unjust. Nobody is ever withheld meals such as breakfast, lunch or a midday snack. But they can be denied unnecessary sweets and things like that if their work is not completed.

    About the restraining thing. So you would prefer a child beat themselves over the head instead of blocking the hitting and keeping him from doing it? What’s going on in that mind of yours?

    Not allowing free time? That’s a bold face lie. That’s what the kids get to work for every single work session. We don’t expect them to work all day and not getting anything in return for all the hard work they did.

    Yes, signing and talking vocally might not be the best choice for all non verbal kids, of course. But do you know how many ways communication can be had? There are all kinds of apps, devices and picture boards for them to be able to speak. But you’re upset because people are out there trying to give kids with autism a voice? They have a lot of things to say as well, they want to be able to tell us things so I don’t understand your problem with that.

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  69. Like ABA invented the lesson of where to masturbate appropriately and they are the only ones qualified to teach it! Bah! Humbug! That lesson is as old as the crust on B.F. Skinner’s mummy’s underwear!

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    1. “That lesson is as old as the crust on B.F. Skinner’s mummy’s underwear!”

      Well, well, well … guess who doesn’t like being wrong. Guess who has to behave like an arse that is hurting bad.

      “Like ABA invented the lesson of where to masturbate appropriately and they are the only ones qualified to teach it!”

      If a straw man fallacy is the best you can come up with – it’s time to stop.

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  70. We are getting ready to start ABA therapy but now reading your blog, I am re-examing and wanting to do more research. To be honest, I never feel like I understood what exactly this “therapy” is supposed to look like other than that is behaviorist theory. My main goal is simply to help my son, who is 4, to be able to communicate. His speech is delayed and we’ve had him in speech therapy since he was 20 months old. However, i don’t find some of his other autistic behaviors a problem, such as stim or hand flapping. I don’t like the idea of forcing him to behave as a neurotypical instead of accepting him as he is. Before even reading your blog, I asked myself if with this ABA therapy would my son lose part of himself. We all know autistic children are often gifted in other areas. Would so much concentration on “normalizing” them take away their attention on their gifts.
    What are alternative therapies out there? I once read about a Son Rise program. Is there other options?

    Besides his speech I am looking for help with potty training, learning to understand the concept of “wait”, and help with sleep issues (if there is anything out there to help). He also is a picky eater, which concerns me nutrition-wise but it’s a touchy area because i want eating to be a pleasant experience and not be a forceful one. We have some issues with stimuli but it’s become less and less over time. Mostly noises bother him. Articles of clothing occasionally. One day something might bother him and the next it doesn’t. he also struggles with transitions. What seems to work for us when he gets really upset is just acknowledging his feelings and comforting him. We talked at home a lot about feelings with him and made a game to help him understand what different feelings look like. Then when is upset, instead of telling him not to be, we acknowledge and say “I know you are upset” and comfort him. It seems to work wonders with him.

    Overall, my son is a very happy child and we are able to find a connection with him at home. He laughs and can be silly and he will hug us or seek comfort with us. I know everyone’s experience is different so maybe one therapy is not best for everyone. I definitely want to explore our other options.

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    1. Hi Julie – here’s a link to a toilet-training specific post on a wonderfully supportive blog: http://respectfullyconnected.com/2016/01/toileting/

      I highly recommend the blog adiaryofamom.wordpress.com – her daughter was diagnosed at 3, limited communication, etc. She also has a facebook page and does answer questions. Please feel free to visit autistikids.com for other helpful links by autistic adults. They’ve “been there/done that” and are sharing their experiences.

      Another resource is emmashopebook.com – Emma just “took over” the blog recently, but prior to mid 2015, her mom was blogging about their journey. Emma uses alternative communication methods.

      I hope this is helpful :)

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    2. Look at the ABA videos in YouTube. In my opinion, ABA is not therapy or science. It is a cult. If you must, make them rule out punishment and watch or record every session. Abuse has been known to happen as it us not much more than training for submission. Google ABA “obedience training.” There are plenty of better alternatives: play therapy, occupational therapy, music therapy, ans speech pathology.

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  71. Using the word ‘cult’ in describing the ‘system’ of ABA is an aft usage. To wit:

    Focusing opuntia exterior matters is found not merely among the devotees of BF skinner and his various acolytes (including I. Lovaas)

    It is also found among practitioners of ceremonial magic(k) – especially those more-primitive (?)practitioners who name themselves Shamans.

    The magic(k)al principle being used in both ABA and Shamanism is ‘as you behave (today), you will become (tomorrow)’. The shaman dresses himself such that he looks like an animal (so as to gain power through the spirits associated with said animal) – and to complete the process of *becoming* he or she acts as much like the animal as is possible.

    By doing this, the shaman (temporarily ) abandons humanity – and becomes the animal (and gets in touch with the spirits associated with that animal). In fact, one name for such spirits is “power-animal.”

    In ABA, the autist is compelled / cajoled into acting – first, as per the will of his then-current *master*; and then, because said master is a Normie / NT, the autist ‘sheds his ‘garment of autism’ and dons that exemplified by his master.

    At least, that is the unstated *magical* theory that seems to describe Normdom’s instinctual understanding of the concept of ‘cure’.

    But one problem : like most forms of magic, it doesn’t actually work; and, I rather suspect many Normies know this at some level (even if at a deeper-still level – the core of the unconscious – everything operates as if it actually did work ‘by magic’ – or rather, the rules there are mirrored in magical systems, e.g. hermeticism, Thelema)

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  72. As I read this, I have caught myself almost tearing up. I’ve been very sad throughout this entire ABA experience as a Behavior Interventionist. I have my B.A. in Counseling Psychology and I’m getting my M.A. in Counseling – Marriage and Family Therapy. I agreed to the job as I believed it would give me experience working with kids. My desire to better assist our youth and children is what gives me the determination to keep going back to school. I hoped I would be able to stick with this job for the term of my schooling, but I am finding that this is not the case. Everything I do feels like it is going against what I’ve learned in Counseling. Given, I am working with clients who have developmental issues rather than being emotional disturbed. However, it’s been 3 months and I am already ready to give up this job. Supervisors do they best they can to show me how to implement certain programs, and deal with protests and stereotypy but I am confused and have been for several months. No amount of training or research could make me “get” this. It is unfair to the children I work with and their families. I enjoy the progress and love working with the kiddos but nothing about this comes natural. I am someone with a monotone voice and 0 affect. I try my best and have been told by my supervisors to put on an “act” but kids can sense when someone is not being genuine. I have been thinking about leaving ABA, and I think this actually helped confirm my decision.

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    1. I encourage you to read LaVigna and Donnellan’s Old Testament to Positive Behavior Support, Alternatives to Punishment, 1986, as well as the dual parent child gaining consent paper on my blog… rewardandconsent.blogspot.com … ABA is pseudoscience, a cult… but behavior science can be ethical… it is not necessary to abandon ethical behavior science when ABA is so cold and cruel!

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  73. ” Given, I am working with clients who have developmental issues rather than being emotional disturbed. ”

    Interestingly, when I start working with autistic students who have been in ABA prior to coming to our program, they are emotionally disturbed. They are traumatized. They had given up on ever being seen as competent and capable. They are broken and we build them back up. Severe (Non-speaking) autism is not a cognitive or behavioral disorder…it is neurologic and impairs functional movement and sensory regulation. This is what ABA misses. These individuals are smart and capable but they need to have support for their true struggles, not the perceived struggles or deficits.
    #rethinkautism

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    1. Casey, a typical reply of ABA practitioners is that there is no evidence that ABA causes trauma, even though there is at least one documented case of clear trauma from ABA, Anna Kosovskaya’s escape self-report from the Judge Rotenberg Center of extremely painful ABA electric skin shock on my blog:

      http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/06/anna-kosovskaya-escapes-from-judge_11.html

      Could you please email me, Casey, if you would like to help us find more solid evidence of ABA trauma, perhaps by giving me an interview about your own findings, anomously or not, at rewardandconsent@icloud.com?

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      1. Where the idea of ‘no trauma’ comes from is that (as per the great Lovaas) the damage they do is being done to a ‘simulacrum of humanity/ an empty shell). The German article doesn’t just ***quote*** Lovaas’ own dehumanizing speech on the matter – it also (assuming I got my translation ‘passable’) it also speaks of the common sentiment regarding autists (of ALL possible expressions) as being ’empty shells’.

        Esentially, this says: “no human – no possibility of trauma;” much as if we were hearing Iosif Stalin intoning “death solves all problems – no person, no problem.”

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    1. I didn’t notice anything that sounded like ABA here. I’m an Aspie and a BCBA candidate. As someone who benefited Vastly, I have no qualms about practicing it. I have NEVER witnessed electro shock or food deprivation.

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      1. Your mammoth professional organization, the Ass. for Behavior Analysis International, officially “approves” the Judge Rotenberg Center of starvation Applied Behavior Analysis and of extremely painful electric skin shock Applied Behavior Analysis. Richard Carr, rather than denying these facts, where is your official ABA practicioner statement published against them? There is only one, from England, I’m aware of, in your entire profession! Why? http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-judge-rotenberg-center-school-of.html

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  75. I’m not entirely certain that it was ABA your were doing, based on this. Where did you complete your BCBA grad program?

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  76. HI, so I have never been quite sure what ABA therapy was I just knew that it was a therapy for the autistic community. I have a bachelor’s degree in psychology and I want to look at becoming an SLP. I was on indeed and saw a couple of jobs that I applied for. One of them is an early intervention specialist the other was a ABA therapist (which was not clearly stated). My goal was to work at clinic who had SLPs and audiologiss because that’s what I’m interested in studying. I actually have a interview scheduled with the foundation in need of ABA therapists. I watched a few videos and got really uncomfortable with how the worker kept putting her hand in the child’s face trying gain his attention. I also feel like they should hire someone who has experience with autistic children. Which I have none, other than knowing children in my community. My main question is what did you choose to move on to when you left ABA therapy? Because after reading articles and watching those clips I am going to cancel that interview. I do want to go back to school for speech therapy but does anyone have any suggestions of what you would look into, (full time job wise) to save money for grad school?
    Your help would be greatly and thank you for giving me this information.

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  77. I find it sad that you left something that you appeared to love! I think you should get back into it and make a difference . We have found ABA very useful for my ASD child, but the stories you tell frighten me! We have worked with 3 BCBA one was underqualified, but the other 2 absolutely amazing!! My child is always treated with respect, loves the therapist that come !! Indeed my child can’t wait, and when they arrive my child is most times ready to go!!
    If it’s an off day the ABA will just hang out watch tv or just bond with my child! Our first ABA taught me the importance of being consistent like any child there will be bad days one may not be feeling well just like a typical child it’s ok to have a bad day and not be pushed especially after a school break its hard to get back in routine for everyone but especially special needs out of the last 9 months with ABA my child has only had 3 bad days so we took it easy on those days but that’s 3 out of & months not so bad!!
    My child had the language but was just unable to request or explain any feelings if my child was hurt it could be told to us with ABA it my child is able to do so many things that were frustrating to my child before ABA
    It has gained , confidence and child loves to play with peers
    Almost 6 years old and 3 years of ABA

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  78. Just wanted to say, Lovaas did NOT develop ABA, he developed DTT. ABA is NOT DTT. ABA encompasses so much more than DTT. I find it funny that so many people who knock ABA are also so misinformed about the science. The thing that links all ABA therapies are the principles of behavior (all living organism’s behavior – animals, adults, children, neurotypical or otherwise) that Skinner and other scientists have laid out in their research – there are many applications of it. But people who claim that ABA is bad don’t understand that, they are typically looking at a very narrow scope. The issue is that so many people who are not properly trained in the field are able to practice it, and they often have a huge misunderstanding of it, just like those people who are knocking it as a field. Right now it is not properly regulated, or understood by many who implement it or prescribe it. You can be kind, caring, and understanding and still be delivering ABA, or you can be strict and harsh and delivering ABA.

    Articles like this are so damaging to families who are looking for help. ABA can be utilized in almost any form, it’s not as black and white as this article or the links provided in this article claim to be. I work with a family right now as an ABA therapist and as I am improving the 16-year-old son’s daily living skills and independence and as we develop our relationship (I think we have become quite close), his mother still says negative things about ABA because her son had bad experiences as a child. But I am somehow not the same as ABA, because I understand and work with her son? I AM STILL DOING ABA.

    ABA can allow kids to say no, we accept no all the time as long as it does not involve hitting or kicking or biting!! That is an important thing to teach kids to say, but they should say it appropriately!! But we also teach them that we all have to do things that we don’t want to do, that is part of life. Do you think kids want to do chores or homework? No, they don’t. But if you saw a parent constantly giving in to a neurotypical kid who hit her every time she asked him to clear his plate, you’d say she was a bad parent. We are giving children with autism the skills to do things to make it in life, and yes we hold them accountable, but only once we are sure that they have it in their repertoire to do those things. If a kid is hitting because he doesn’t want to do something, we treat it completely differently than if a kid is hitting because he CANNOT do something.

    Please get informed, people.

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    1. Anna – perhaps it is you that is misinformed about the true nature of these children’s struggles. You make huge assumptions that these kids are intentionally not doing why they are supposed to do or are unaware of what the expectations are until you drill it into them. This is NOT the case. Please read about the movement differences and connectivity differences in autism – the research is extensive and explains so many things, but we must be willing to admit that we were wrong and need to change our understanding. Listen to people with autism. You are going to question their experience? Autistics all over the world describe being in a body that doesn’t work for them in their own words. They are having similar experiences and reporting them Are we listening? Severe autism is not an intellectual disability – it is a neurologic difference that impairs a persons ability to control their body or respond in typical ways. I may impair speech – apraxia. Stop drinking the kool-aid. #rethinkautism

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      1. Yes, I agree, Casey. And so does the United Nations, which said that actually autistic folks are the number one experts on autism. This is common sense Golden Rule ethics, for who better than autistic adults to teach parents how to do unto their autistic children what parents would want to be done unto themselves. We actual autistics hold a nearly unanimous consensus of opinion that Applied Behavior Analy$i$ (ABA) is harmfully coercive. ABA child exploiters feelings about autism, on the other hand, should be dismissed, as they are “empathy disabled,” notoriously, as the feelings of their “subjects of effective scientific ABA treatment” are not observable data for them to directly control!

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  79. Also, FBAs and BIPs?? THAT’S ABA. People, we look at problem behavior that is harmful to the individual and others and we teach them alternative behavior that will still get that child the same thing that they want. Schools are starting to use these more as tools to help children who would otherwise be put in more restrictive environments or be expelled, but these tools help the current placement work with the child.

    I cannot stress enough, if you are reading this article and are reconsidering ABA, CONTINUE DOING YOUR RESEARCH.

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    1. Anna Castonguay, perhaps you can help me with my research. I am looking to find a single “professional” ABA organization, non-PBS, the ABA punishment-addicted advocate kind, who will dare post an official position against ABA’s horrendous, extremely painful electric skin shock. I have searched the net and asked actual behaviorists and all I can find is the official “approval” of ABA’s extremely painful electric skin shock by the mammoth Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI) AFTER the Autistic Self-Advocacy Network demanded that ABAI eject this Rotenberg shock torture center from its annual conventions! Besides ABAI’s official endorsement of skin shock torture (the UN says it’s torture), I bet you cannot send me a single link to a single ABA group with a specific objection to ABA skin shock, but I really hope you will prove me wrong so I may publicly commend such a secondary ABA group. Please do not attempt to extinguish this question by ignoring it, because that could be considered to be rude! Any other ABA advocates want to take a stab at this question? Behaviour Dude? You can answer my question if you raise your hand first, Behaviour Guy, as you already volunteered to raise your hand in answer to your own question in this forum as you attempted, unsuccessfully, to pull rank here with your advanced ABA degrees! https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2016/04/action-alert-advocates-against-judge.html

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  80. WOW! I can’t believe what i just read. I. have a Toddler whose non-verbal,and all of his physicians have strongly recommended ABA Therapy,immediately! In order for him to have a better life. I want the BEST for my child. Any other programs and/or therapies you could recommend? I’m so CONFUSED!!

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    1. Hi Savanna –
      I know you want what’s best for your son, and it is confusing when so many in the medical field don’t have the information the need to make better recommendations. What I have found is that a neurologic approach is much better. It allows you to understand WHY your child is having the struggles he is having as well as helps you to recognize his strengths and unique abilities that will likely go unnoticed within a behavioral therapy approach. I’ll be happy to share some helpful information with you. Contact us at wwwDOToptimalrhythmsDOTorg and look take some time to explore Frontiers: The Movement Perspective. It is fascinating research that has potential to change this conversation for the long term.

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    2. Savanna, please ask the Autistic Self-Advocacy Network to tell you the viable alternatives to coercive ABA submission training (my term). The United Nations provides the obvious, logical, common sense maxim on this: The primary experts on autism are autistic people! Here is my highly ethical cognitive-behavioral Reward and Consent Method. Typically, even autistic bloggers tend to ignore it, and so does ABA. Autistic spokespeople disregard it often, I speculate, because it is much about behavior science, albeit not a coercive ABA-style set of behavior control models. I wish they would talk to me about it. I challenge them on this one, too! Of course, ABA disregards it because I advocate the dual consent of parent and child to behavior interventions, which is unheard of in ABA, the child consent part. I figure it’s pretty darned good because it bucks both sides of the debate in an effective AND highly ethical manner! Parents love it, though! https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2016/03/why-applied-behavior-analysis-aba-is.html

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  81. Show of hands how many people have graduate level (MSc. or PhD) in ABA and psychology? *Raises hand*

    Anyone else? Just curious if you “didn’t like” what an engineer was suggesting would you disregard their work, research, or opinion just because you thought you knew what the engine “really wanted”?

    There is far too much wrong with your pot to even begin a proper critique but my beginning suggestion would be studying the actual research and understand the science behind ABA before you criticise what you clearly do not understand, based on what you’ve written here.

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    1. Give youself a Skittle for raising your hand without calling out of turn, Behavior Dude! Now, sit back down, keep your hands quiet, and learn now from the true experts on ABA and autism, actual autistics who have now ABA-provoked PTSD, Behavior Dude! You’ve met your matches in a forum that is not controlled by ABA “professionals.” Get ready for a bumpy ride!

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  82. This is all very interesting. And I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Here’s why.
    If I am to understand correctly, you claim the main moral argument you (and many others within the autistic community) have is that it is, essentially, “uncomfortable” at times for the children and adults undergoing ABA. If we, as a society, are trying to respect autistic individuals then we have to not sugarcoat the fact that when possible, we are trying to make them as independent as possible. Some of them will get jobs..some of them, despite years of training, might be able to do some basic chores around their house. If their family can’t support them at some point (for any number of reasons), we as a society would have done them a disservice by not doing everything in our power to make them as independent as possible. Yes, it may be uncomfortable at times (both for the clients and the therapists), but progress takes struggle.
    And not to make this about me, but I speak from experience. As a recovering addict, I have to take contrary, uncomfortable, action on an almost daily basis to stave off my naturally selfish and self-centered nature, lest I risk going to back to a nightmarish existence of using drugs in a compulsive and destructive manner. Yes, it sucks, and by God, I am not perfect, but I have a serious mental, physical, and most of all, spiritual disease that requires a daily application of discomfort to keep in remission. I’m sure you’re saying that my situation is different, and perhaps it is, but not by much. Some people in recovery that I know began going to rehabs when they were barely in their teens. It was uncomfortable, and some ran away, just like the child is free to do. It may seem as a draconian response (the last sentence), but it’s true. We’re not asking them to not be them..it seems like you’ve let you’re ego get too big and misplaced some moral outrage. All I’ve witnessed, thus far, is a difficult approach to help them become more productive. The only behaviors we’re trying to discourage are the ones that will not allow them to do things for themselves..or the ones that hurt (emotionally and..physically) those the individuals love.
    So I’m sorry they feel a little uncomfortable at times (or even experience full-blown PTSD), but consider how difficult it is for the families already. The therapists are doing necessary but vital work to help them become stronger individuals. We’re not trying to stifle who they are (at least I don’t). We take an occasionally hard-line approach to behaviors that will make their own lives miserable for themselves and the families around them. Personally, I’ve had to struggle financially just keep this job, because as I’m sure you know, the hours, constant driving, and whatnot really doesn’t pay the bills at the end of the day…but for once it my selfish existence, I actually feel real satisfaction from doing something to be of service as a job.

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    1. You don’t get it, Deus. What are your credentials? I’m a special education certified NJ teachers with a Masters Degree, and with a Bachelors Degree from Georgetown in city management. We autistics are coming out of your ABA with PTSD! We want you cruel and unusual punishers and submission trainers to leave us alone. Please get through your thick, empathy-handicapped ABA skulls! Now go away from our two-year-old peers and pick on someone your own size, bullies! There are plenty of good therapies that don’t try to force compliance like ABA ALWAYS does! You set parents into a panic with your autism is deviance terminology and expoloit us for your financial gain! Your ABA is a huge industry and you even use your behavioral ploys on politicians to get your fricking insurance coverage for your massive hours of harmful tortures! Now stop it!

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    2. DeusFNL-
      It’s obvious, you have been suckered to believe the lies ABA sells. Stop drinking the koolaid!!!!
      I guarantee those above you are not struggling financially…this whole thing is a racket!
      ABA is based on old and faulty research. Severe autism is a Neurologic difference that impacts movement and sensory processing…not behavior and cognition. However, due to movement differences and dyspraxia, these children are unable to reliably show or tell what they know. ABA presumes them incompetent…imagine the frustration!!!
      Read the Frontiers Project on Autism and Movement Differences. Rise above the grind and find some compassion for these kids who desperately want to be understood and supported and loved for who they are.

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      1. …I don’t even know how to respond to this. My credentials? I just have a simple BS from a prestigious public university. What the hell does that have to do with anything? Torture?? Consider them incompetent?! What. Are. You. Talking. About? The worst thing I do to some of these kids is TRY (and I can’t even do it at times) to restrict them from lying in bed playing with their Ipads for the 7th hour in a row, because I KNOW they’re capable individuals that just need some motivation. Taking their Ipad until they are willing to try doing a simple task on some Discrete Trial Training (or until they throw a tantrum and I have to acquiesce to their behavior because no work can get done then), and then returning it to them regardless of results is Torture now? Really, the biggest crime here is the amount of spoiling and enabling some of these families do. I DON’T consider them idiots. They are remarkable individuals and I never try to talk down to them or underestimate their abilities. I am WELL AWARE of the differences between mental handicaps and autism, though the two may be co-occuring at times. We’re TRYING to get them to be as much in service to their families and communities as possible, which is the essential of any happiness in ANYBODY’S life, regardless of there predisposition. And yes, Service begins when convenience ends. You didn’t even respond with any facts..just more emotional outbursts. I don’t care what a few autistic individuals say about the ABA industry. They’re entitled to their opinion. Personally, like most things in life, I think a multi-faceted approach is best.
        Why don’t you ask some of the children and adults I work with who jump at the opportunity to try and challenge themselves because they themselves want to become more productive, even if it means a little “PTSD” from not getting their Ipads back until they do something to better themselves. Keep your damn credentials. I deal with the “Facts” on a daily basis. I’m on the front lines dealing with the tragedy that the families experience every single day from the uncertainty of whether they will be institutionalized if something should happen and they can’t support them unconditionally anymore. The worst is occasionally witnessing the violence against their loving parents..unprovoked. So take your moral high ground and shove it.

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        1. Listen, Mr. Anonymous who considers his credentials from an anonymous school unimportant, leave them alone. They do not want you bossing them around. Who do you think you are? God Almighty? Where is your official statement against extremely painful electric ABA skin shock? I guarantee it. You cannot find one in your entire ABA pseudo-profession!

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          1. I don’t want to be ousted by my employer since I’ve revealed I’m in recovery. That’s why I don’t want to disclose certain details. Bossing them around? So the family should just let them do whatever they want and never contribute towards being an active member of the family. That, in my opinion, is the most heinous thing of all. That would be treating them less than human..hell, less than even a pet. So far, it’s this approach that seems to belittle them, not mine that tries to integrate them into being active. I’m sorry you had a negative experience with ABA. But some of the things you’ve said are either out-date or just lies. Electroshock!? I’m not even allowed to restrain the kid if he’s hitting his mom…
            Why am I even wasting time responding to you? You’re clearly just projecting certain resentments yo have against an entire industry.

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            1. You’re still not listening, Deus. Go find a real profession. You’ll be happier, unless you have an addicition to behavior control also. Listen. Study my blog. http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com …. Whether you or your victim’s parents like it or not, children and incapaicated adults have the legal right to say to any behaviorist, “Leave me alone. Stop abusing me. Get out of my face! Go away!”

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  83. It sounds like you were working in a pretty awful ABA program that perhaps didn’t stay true to the “applied” component of ABA. I’m sorry that whoever you were working under did such a poor job of showing you what a good, ethical, functional, naturalistic program looks like. “ABA” is not a kind of therapy – it is just the application of a set of principles. Discrete trial does not equal ABA, and ABA was not created specifically for use in the treatment of autism. I can relate to your experience of seeing people use ABA incorrectly, and causing more harm than good. I would urge you, though, to find and observe a program that uses ABA the way it was intended to — to improve the lives of people.

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    1. Katherine, now that you are asking people to watch ABA in action, how about you show us a video of the first day ABA takes an autistic and forces her or him to submit to BCBA demands. I guarantee you, the child is nit happy. Can you prove me wrong? Show us the day one videos!

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  85. This post is ridiculous! The science behind ABA is undeniable and I have single handedly seen the changes it has made in the lives of kids with autism and their families.

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    1. My dear Applied Behavior Annalysis extremely painful electric skin shock torture cult member, get over your cognitive dissonance guilt over your submission training as you take a free young autistic child, what you call a debviant, are treat her like at dog as you force her to obey your asinine demands .. or prove us wrong and show us the real data, actual video footage of week one, all of it, as you do what you consider “taming your wild beasts and exloiting unsuspecting families to line your pockets with silver and gold!” Read: https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2015/11/opinion-here-why-applied-behavior.html What is your profesdional name?

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    2. http://www.thinkinclusive.us/on-aba-and-rethinking-effective-behavioral-interventions/

      Science is only as good as the questions asked. Considering how many of the BCBA’s here are ignoring the input of the autistic people who are commenting on the issues with it, the right questions aren’t being asked. Observation/ABA is NOT the same as IMPLEMENTATION/ABA.

      It would be great if the BCBA’s would stop the denial and sit back and listen. Then accept the fact that there are issues that need to be addressed. But it never happens.

      It is a fact that the ABA International Conference has the Judge Rotenberg Center as a vendor, currently involved in FDA investigations for shock aversives. You know, the thing that keeps being denied by BCBA’s.

      Yes, it sucks when someone tells you there’s a problem with the job/career you’re doing.

      If you REALLY care about helping autistic people, then check your privilege and attitude at the door and LISTEN to THEM.

      Otherwise, you are fooling yourself into thinking you’re helping.

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      1. Hello, Patricia. Yes you are correct. The Association for Behavior Analysis International (ABAI) does indeed permit the Judge Rotenberg Center (JRC) torturers of skin shock to present at its annual conventions. However, the association is much worse than this and the entire profession is much worse than this. I have shown in my blog that the entire profession completely supports or is complicit to JRC shock, but I am not talking about the behaviorists who do Positive Behavior Support. Gary LaVigna said in his affidavit against the JRC that the school of thought that he co-founded, Positive Behavior Support (PBS), theoretically, has ruled out punitive techniques as unnecessary and therefore unethical. On the other hand, Applied Behavior Analysts (ABAs) are addicted to punishment as a last resort control consequence. They claim that PBS is a part of ABA, but there is a very strong wall between them regarding the subject of punishment. However, I am talking only about PBS in theory, because, in practice, what we are hearing about PBS in the schools is that PBS practice does indeed punish. It punishes with negative punishment, ostracism, lack of getting the rewards, keeping atypical little children away from the trips. That is negative punishment, the removal of positive reinforcers. So anyhow, ABA claims that PBS is a part of ABA, but it is not, because they are so different regarding punishment. Furthermore, what is the worst thing is that, despite its false denials, ABAI has officially “apporoved” JRC shock. Until I exposed this approval fact, ABAI claimed that, even though it allowed JRC to present at its conference, it clamed it was neutral over shock. False! See here: https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2016/04/action-alert-advocates-against-judge.html

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      2. Or, rather, your self-deception is starting to wear thin, perhaps? As in you’ve known all along that these things before you – these objectified tools, these Narcissistic Extensions- exist purely as a means of making a place for You , one closers to the Pinnacle of your chosen dominance hierarchy?

        Learning about the Machiavellian nature of the social world has been a nearly unalloyed ‘descent into darkness’ for me; it is learning that the chief purpose of having Normalistic Instincts – including that accursed construct named *theory-of-mind* – is to war for dominance without cease or mercy.

        Yea, even one’s closest-to-the-bone in group members are just waiting to be burned as fuel for one’s own grist mill. It only needs a suitable opportunity, and most Norms will toss such to the tormentors (thought police).

        Yes, you would – you would denounce your own kin – Julia or no. (1984).

        Orwell wasn’t merely describing politics; he was describing the social world, also – the chief difference between the two game-systems is the scale of endeavor.

        Was his description of ‘the intoxication of power’ one you Tormentors relate to? How strong aversives in the service of correcting your current targets increase your job satisfaction? You want to press the button, don’t you?

        No, not just the button that causes ‘high voltage’ – the one that controls the varied flavors of ‘G. E. D. devices. No, you wish to do more – that is, to have the actual power of life and death…

        “The syringe – the capacity to kill without remorse – belongs in the hands of the physician.” (R. J. Lifton, “The Nazi Doctors”)

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        1. Dennis, I think you’re confusing me with a BCBA. I’m not one and have no interest in becoming one. If you read my other comments, I’m telling them to listen to actually autistic people and clean up their own occupation/organizations.

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          1. Not you. THEM. THE TORMENTORS / fixers. The ones who did ‘screams, slaps, and -so they called it- love.’ The ones who insist upon us becoming ‘their worshipful supplicants’ – in that they somehow put this semi-mythical implacable Normie into each of our minds that we’ve got to hide from all the time. The ones who enjoyed dominating us – in having the power of God – in remaking us in their image (psychically, and in some cases, physically, as was done to me… Goldenhar syndrome… I still have flashbacks fifty years later – I can *taste* the ether as I write this, it was used as an anesthetic then…)

            I was born left-handed. I was changed over -and I wonder what Else was ‘beaten out of me’?

            I recall sensing my mother’s desire as an arch-curist – about ‘achievement by proxy’ – about needing to be perfect to simply be ‘OK’ – and never being good enough.

            That’s the sum total of society’s whole message, if you are an autist: “no matter how hard you try – no matter how well you imitate us (and thereby worship us, your betters) – you will never be OK. You will always be ‘subhuman and defective’ in our eyes. Always – and if you don’t hide yourself really good, we will hunt you down and torture you to death for our pleasure.”

            Always.

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        2. I have spoken with Dusty Jones, behavior analyst. He is an ABA dissident. Like the few dissidents I have directly encountered, they all still cowtow to the ever dominant culture collective ABA cult. Dusty asked me to review this bucking the cult paper before he published it. He never publicly thanked me nor recognized my work for precisely what it is: I am THE Georgetown Jesuit trained and published number one world’s authority on what I call the ethics of behavior science. I am the maker and teacher to parents of the only highly ethical form of cognitive behavior therapy CBT) science teaching and parenting method, Reward and Consent. In this CBT school I use CBT terminology with positive reinforcement and, with a few reasonded exceptions, the dual consent of BOTH the recipient AND the child or the justice-deemed incapicitated adult. Jones is the same in this score. He remains complicit to JRC torture. I challenged them all. I want nothing more than for one of them to show I am wrong, but no ABA pseudo-prodesdional, unless they do PBS, which us NOT ABA, has ever, to my knowledge, ever issued a public statement specifically opposing JRC and its extremely painful electric skin shock! Not one! Jones included. To my knowledge. And I know their shit inside out. http://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com … AND our new #ABALeaks investigative team. See the hashtag in twitter or ser our work in my blog, please. SP. Safety Pat.

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  86. I honestly do not understand where you are coming from. I do not know how, if you are doing ABA correctly, you are hurting them. The whole purpose of ABA is to improve the child’s quality of life and allow them to live as normal a life as possible.

    If the kids don’t want to do the work then it’s probably because either the reinforcer isn’t enough motivation for them to work for or you are requiring them to do too many tasks. If that’s the case, then you can lessen the task and do a preference assessment to find out what they will work for. If that doesn’t work, you can try doing the targets away from the table during playtime so that work is fun. It’s definitely okay to make ABA fun.

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    1. Bologna! What’s your real name and ABA license number? Show us the fun videos starting day one when you try to break down our independent actually autistic free will! Listen. Non PBS ABA alwAys depends on last resort punishment. Always! How is that fun? Positive Behavior Support broke away from ABA due to its punishment addiction! ABA broke away from Skinner who warned the world against punishment. Put your money where your mouth is! “ABA therapists” here: what’s your real name and your lucense number?

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  87. There are so many kids I have worked with that would scream all day and engage in SIB. You know what helped get rid of these behaviors? ABA. I don’t know where you worked but where I worked we only use physical restraint if someone is a threat to themselves or others. If a child is throwing a tantrum or scratching and kicking, you are supposed to remove yourself from the area and yeah you are fixing compliance for doing tasks that they need to learn to be independent. Then if they show resistance you give them a break.

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  88. I thought I’d check back in to see the status of this thread. I see it’s even more bananas than last time I interjected. ABA does soooo much harm…because, GOD FORBID, the child feels a little discomfort because I don’t just give him the M&Ms. Being so evil and such a tormentor, I’m going to ask him to do a task so he can learn a skill before he gets it as part of some Adaptive Skills Training and Discrete Trial Training. I’m such a bastard. Almost as bad as a parent who tries to instill some discipline if their child is lazy and doesn’t care to ever study or do their homework. You guys are right. Autistic individuals should just get a blank check to behave or do whatever they want. They don’t need any skills. They might have to put in some effort to learn those skills, and that might traumatize them.

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  89. WOW! You are totally missing it, DeusFNL. Why not try to #rethinkautism? You’re assumption that these children are clueless and need you to “teach” them skills is the problem. They need support…physical, sensory, emotional, communication support. They know what they need to do, but getting their bodies to do it is another story. How might YOU behave it your were stuck in a body that didn’t obey your mind? What if nothing that you tried worked to convince your therapist that you were not intentionally being lazy or self-abusive yet you were punished for your very attempts to get your body moving in a reliable way – how would you feel? Yes, possibly traumatized. It would be a joke then now would it?

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    1. …I’m missing the point? Do you even read what you write? There should ALWAYS be compassion for these individuals. We don’t punish them…we try to REINFORCE positive behaviors that will allow them to be more independent (unless you consider it torture that they don’t get a reward for not at least trying to do something, notice I said TRY, not succeed). Yes, I get that it’s difficult for them, motor dyspraxia or whatever, but they are remarkably capable individuals. That’s why we do what we do. It might be difficult, but with practice they get better, just like anything else in life. How else do you get somebody to try to work through some discomfort? The only way I know that works for PEOPLE, autistic or otherwise, is prompting with some immediate reward. I don’t know know what the hell ABA used to be like, but as a behavioral therapist, I certainly don’t employ any of these torture tactics you claim I do. How the hell do you want people to try and help them? How else do you teach something to someone?
      And for the record, I DO GET IT! You know how many times I wanted to convince people that I was better than just a good for nothing dope fiend? I really didn’t want to keep using drugs and hurting those I loved, but my cravings wouldn’t let me stop, my body wouldn’t listen to me..you know how traumatic that was? But I LEARNED from the Trauma, and put forth REAL EFFORT and now, my life is SO MUCH better. The struggles that I overcame made me a stronger individual.

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      1. DeusFNL, your claim that you do not punish is entirely un-credible to me, unless you can tell us what nonlinear PBS means, for if you do linear-only ABA, then in fact you are addicted to last-resort or even simultaneous punismment/reinforcement, which is replete in the ABA literature. Just Google Scholar it. DeusFNL, do you do ABA? Are you licensed? Then what is your BACB certification number? What is your real name? I am Mr. David Altieri, M.A, Seton Hall, B.S. from Georgetown University, a GU published Behavioral Ethics authority, a New Jersey Teacher of the Handicapped certificated Master Teacher. Get proper consent and show us your day one of submission-training to us autistics in your actual ABA in practice videos. Show us you don’t punish on day one of your training! Then we might believe your claim you do non-punitive, non-ABA Positive Behavior Support (PBS). Where is your official statement against extremely painful electric ABA skin shock? I bet you don’t have one. Then you are complicit to what the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture calls ABA Judge Rotenberg Center (JRC) “torture.” I really hope you can prove me wrong, but I have NEVER seen a single ABA, non-PBS, pseudo-professional’s statement specifically against skin shock. Put you money where your mouth is. Show professional courage. Publish against JRC electric punishment skin jolts, or else go get yourself voluntarily shocked by the strongest GED-4 31 times in one day as ABA JRC Board Certified Behavior Analysts (BCBAs) did to poor Andre McCollins. Then send us the link! See: https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2016/07/terri-du-bous-next-emancipated-applied.html

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  90. What the hell does any of this have to do with me? I don’t need to divulge my identity on a public forum (esp. after having revealed certain aspects of my history that I believe would be unfairly used against me in my profession) in order to validate my opinion. Look at the message, not the messenger. You want me to denounce electro-shock? Fine. I denounce it. Like I said, I don’t know anything about these links you keep sending. I don’t know “poor Andre McCollins.” All I know is the kids and young adults I work with..the biggest punishment I inflict on them if they’re not willing to try and do what I ask is that I threaten to tell their parents (who occasionally proceed to take away their myriad of electronic devices if they don’t comply). It’s literally as non-invasive as possible and on some days, I have to come to grips with my own inadequacy in being able to help some of them. But nothing is more rewarding than when I see some of them grasping certain concepts and skills.
    Honestly, it’s like you only latch on to a few words to respond to me. You haven’t even answered my question of how else do you get people to do things? It’s a pretty simple question, but I suspect you have no answer because as an autistic individual, you’re probably personalizing this and dealing with feelings, rather than facts.

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    1. Real tuffy. You denounce shock under a secret identity. Now that’s courage. You are also an internet bully to people like me, us autistics in this forum. I predicted that just like all non-PBS ABA you would NOT denounce shock officially under your name because ABA is a bogus-science, pseudo-professional cult. You have corroborated my hypotheses.! How does this jibe with Popper? You heard of him? He’s the great early twentieth century philosopher of science. What age do you begin coercing us little autistics? Age one or two? Leave us alone! Go pick on someone your own size, Miss AnonyMouse DeusFNL! Tell us. What is nonlinear if you are so positive?

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  91. …..I think you need some help. I don’t even know how to respond to some of the BS you just posted. It honestly sounds like the rantings of a madman.
    You have a right to say what you will, but it saddens that there are families that might be swayed by your asinine logic (and calling it logic would be a stretch) and deprive their children of early intervention.

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  92. Not all companies and forms of ABA uses these types of interventions. Lots of the ones you mention are straight up unethical. I am working on getting my BCBA now, and not once have I ever used, been recommended to use, or endorsed physical restraints, forcing a child to do anything, or refusing to let them have a break. And I ALWAYS include and build upon their own personal strengths as well as get their input if I am able to.

    There’s ethical and unethical ABA. The version(s) you describe are the latter.

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    1. Elizabeth, what is your full name? I am a NJ certified special ed teacher. Have some guts! Issue a public statement against ABA Judge Rotenberg Center of Dr. Israel extremely painful electric skin shock! The only kind of statements of the sort are done by Positive Behavior Support workers. PBS is not ABA. PBS decries coercive aversives used throughout ABA. Look at the Behavior Analyst Certification Board 4th Edition Task List list of skills and concepts you must possess in order to become a Board Certified Behavior Analyst. You must know how to “punish” ten times over in your skill set! You must be an expert at forcing one and two year old autistics to sit still and act neurotypical, which you shall NEVER accomplish! PBS does much more than ABA, yet it never matches my “Reward and Consent” dual parent and child consent Cognitive Behavioral Teaching method. PBS ain’t ABA! Do you know the meaning if nonlinear interventions? Tell us now, then shut up and listen to us actually autistics speaking out in defense of our poor little abused by BCBA victims! Issue your public statement against ABA skin shock torture and know how to do Reward and Consent CBT as well as PBS. That way you can continue studying ABA, but I must warn you, they will probably indoctrinate you into its bogus science, pseudoscience cult of coercion and torture. This is no joke. All ABA is behind ABA skin shock JRC torture. You are probably young. You say you are becoming a BCBA! Shame on you! We autistics have made it perfectly clear all over the blogosphere that we want you to go away and to leave us alone! Now shut up and do your homework. Read all the comments to this great Why I Left ABA article. JABA editor emailed me they have NO good way of judging what it considers to be its “problems of social importance.” It primarily depends on the popular norm of the day standard! It historically calling us autistics, us schizoTribe members, and us gays “deviants” and then shocked the hell out of us! Shock yourself, control freak, Elizabeth P.! ABA is a bunch if alcoholics! Look at your “skin shock torture officially approving” ABA International Annual Convention pictures! Boozers galore! Look at ABA Twitter profiles. Heavy follow/follow back with the booze industry! Do you drink too? Then punish your “problem of social importance” alcohol issue. Leave us autistic toddlers alone and pick on someone your own size, you big, fat bully! Quit ABA befire you enter the ABA husband divorces the ABA wife zone of control freak cult lifestyle!

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      1. I think you’re stimming in the forum Safety Pat. I’m not going tell you to stop because I never try to suppress stimming behavior unless they’re hurting themselves or others physically. But just pointing out to you that you’re stimming because you’re not making any rational points..you’re just calling people names and then asking for credentials. And yes, I’m a grateful recovering alcoholic. And I work in ABA. I’ll KEEP working in ABA because I love helping people. Deal with it.

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        1. Brilliant BCBA, DeusFNL. Miss anonymous says I am an irrational stimmer. First, stim has nothing to do with irrational, it has soothing purpose. Second, I am NOT a stimming auti. Third, you do not know LAVigna And Donnellan, 1986′ Ch. 1, rnd footnote. Dangerous behavior is Not an opportunity for your coercions. It is a time for crisis deescalation. Do your homework and be smarter next time, Deus, who attacks me here anonymously.

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  93. I’m a man, but good assumption on behalf of my gender, since most of the industry is populated by women. I’m not attacking you, merely your ideology that hurts people’s chances of intervention. You’re entitled to your beliefs, as I am to mine. I’m not going to do any research, I see the results everyday (I literally work 7 days a week in this field). I think the fact that all you can do is hide behind reciting excerpts from texts that no one has read and can’t even respond to some simple logical based arguments that I make should prove that your stance is unfounded and based on some strong resentment rather and an earnest desire for people to receive the optimal level of help. Rather than admitting that you were wrong in your initial assessment of ABA (because you haven’t responded to a SINGLE point I’ve made, you just stand up there on your soap box), you’d rather attack people’s “credentials” or lack there-of. And if it’s not a form of stimming, then I guess you’re just purposefully coming off as a self-righteous moron who cares more about “being right” than actually helping people. See, now THAT was an attack against you. And I don’t even need to attack your credentials, because your words have made perfectly clear that they don’t mean shit, you’re still a egotistical moron. Keep using some kind of Bizarro logic based on nothing to ruin peoples lives moron. (that’s how your constant insults sound moron).

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    1. Emily, Deus just called me a moron. That offends people with intellectual disabilities. Please ban him from the forum.

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      1. MY GOD. You’re pathetic. You have the audacity to call me and several other people on this forum “bullies” (which I find offensive because I was bullied a lot growing up), but you can’t withstand when someone calls you on your BS. That’s your coup de grace? No response, just “teacher, he’s picking on me.”
        But it’s not about you, I hope other people reading this may understand the vital importance of receiving ABA treatment and not fall for the BS argument people like you make that it’s “torturous.” Seriously people (especially parents), take note: this is how flimsy of an argument against ABA there is. SO do the right thing and give your kids the earliest intervention possible.

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          1. Yes, “attack the person.” Trust me, I’m educated to an adequate extent.
            And no, that’s the problem. You don’t argue facts. You throw a lot of unrelated texts from various sources and then criticize the person without responding to simple logic. And you win? Sure, maybe in your delusional head..last I checked, ABA is and will continue to be funded by insurance companies. AND FYI, my own company just got more funding, so I’m looking forward to a nice raise for engaging in such a rewarding job of helping people. But hey, whatever you want to believe.

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            1. You already resigned your king in debate chess when you called me a “moron.” Yes. It is well-established fact that ABA is fully composed of a bunch of bullies with control issues who act as prosecutor, judge, jury, and executioner in the self-appointed role as solver of behavior “problems of social importance” it deems to be challenging behaviors, usually according to the popular norm of the day standard. You all punish with extremely painful electric skin shock, facial water spritzes, bitter lemon on tongue, white noise machines, pinches, slaps, commands, shouts, slaps, tickling, phony contrived praises, food deprivations coupled with cookies shoved in the mouth for doing menial DTT tasks at the command of EIBI to little autistics as young as age one! Anyone here can do a simple Google Scholar search with all of these ABA punishment keywords within the Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis. You cannot honestly deny it! I put your verbal behavior on permanent extinction with me now, you cowardly anonymous woman, Deus…. Deus? As in a deck of cards, the two of Spades! Are you a problem gambler! You seem intoxicated in your ramblings here, too! Talk about problem behaviors! Now leave the toddlers alone and pick on someone your own size, you ad hominem character assassinator internet bully! Blab as much as you want here. You get no more argument reinforcement from me! Good bye! Thanks for an unchallenging game of debate chess! It is finished! I wish not to burden the group with your nonsense any more.

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  94. “explicit aversives” and “physical restraints”? This sounds like everything we try to avoid in ABA…

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    1. Friends, it is easy to dismiss such ABA denials that they are so coercive with this Behavior Analyst Certification Board (BACB) Fourth Edition Task List document. Pinpoint precisely ten times their inappropriate cruel and unusual extreme expertise in “punitive” techniques with the BACB requiring every Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA) to intimately know how to punish us autistics exactly ten different times in this asinine Task List! Kerri Krizer, if she does indeed do ABA, and not Positive Behavior Support, which is very different from ABA, which I bet she does not know how to do properly, but we can test her, is always armed and ready to employ her addicion to aversives should she feel the inappropriate desire to misjudge us, like they do much much too often, and then punish and torture us. http://bacb.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/160101-BCBA-BCaBA-task-list-fourth-edition-english.pdf

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  95. I’m so glad you were paying attention to what I said earlier when I explicitly stated I was a man. Any civil argument is based on at least listening to what your opponent has to say. Debate? No, my misguided fool, this is just you ranting based on some insanity in your head. I don’t even care to carry this on, because there’s no point..you have no argument.
    In the end, this is about more than just one foolish person (whether he’s autistic or not) rambling on about nothing. I hope you realize that your lunatic ranting could actually coerce susceptible parents (who are already emotionally distraught) into foregoing ABA treatment. And you would have to hold yourself in contempt for hurting their chances to actually pick up some skills and be more independent when their families can’t support them later on in life.

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  96. Hi:
    I did not read your entire post, but wonder if have you taken any BCBA courses. Many of the interventions you describe are against the Code of Ethics. Please visit bacb.com and you can learn about the ethics portion. The ethics are there. Whether everyone follows them is another story. It appears that your viewpoint is, undoubtedly, skewed by these negative experiences that individuals with autism have experienced.
    Also, have you seen the end result with any individual(s) that have received ABA for many hours/wk over many years? I have. The difference is night and day. I have known doctors to say that nonverbal children will never speak again. My kid (client) proved him wrong. Born with autism and nonverbal, he started speaking at around 10 years old. So, I understand your concerns, but it is not generalizable to all ABA out there.

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  97. Incidentally, in all my jobs, restraint is used as a last resort, to keep the child and others safe, NOT as an intervention.

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    1. Elizabeth, what is your full name? Where do you work? Where is your official statement against extremely painful Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) skin shock? Did you post one? I never saw one from ANY Of your peers. What are your credentials? PBS ain’t ABA. ABA always is addicted to aversives. PBS theory is not. PBS practice is addicted to negative punishment, removal of appetitives and ostracism of us atypicals. You all almost always misjudge our behaviors using your extremely flawed popular-norm-of-the-day highly-unethical standard. Please explain how PBS and ABA are otherwise different. ABA us always manipulative and coercive. Prove me wrong. Get Dual Consent (DC) and show us Day One of your interventions. You know the meaning of DC? Behavior Analyst Certification Board (BACB) ethics code is extremely flawed. Client is Mom, Dad, never in practice actual autistic, as we always dissent and that never counts to a Board Certified Behavior Analyst (BCBA). BACB code grants the Judge Rotenberg Center license to do extremely painful electric skin shock. Read BACB code carefully. It bans BCBA practice when it harms AND when the ABA bogus-science community-at-large rejects it. ABA knows skin shock harms AND it fully supports it, thus Josh Pritchard, BCBA, major ABA disseminator, sits on the Judge Rotenberg Center Board of Directors long-term and keeps his credentials. Case closed. Now if you cannot answer all these questions, I simply advise you to be quiet, quit the ABA bogus-science cult, listen to the true experts on autism, actual autistics, and quit bullying our little toddler peers. Go away and leave us alone! You give us all trauma, PTSD. Get over it. These are the facts.

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  98. It’s clear that you have some resentment or have had a bad experience towards ABA therapy. It doesn’t take someone in the ABA therapy to notice the sort of drive or grudge that has caused you to speak ill of a concept that has been proven to be effective for a great cause. Maybe you were just at the wrong place, at the wrong time, possibly with a company that just didn’t reinforce the right ethics that should be applied within the ABA profession. Like with any concept or value- a religion, even the concept of customer service, there can be good or bad. To get a better understanding, there CAN be unqualified individuals implement ABA therapy (unfortunate that a company doesn’t have higher interview standards), or even a certified BCBA who doesn’t actually follow the code of ethics they are suppose to. However, that doesn’t speak for ABA therapy in general, and certainly doesn’t speak for ALL BCBA’s and ABA therapists. Just as there can be under-qualified staff for any field or any representation of something; but just because I meet a ‘bad’ Christian who doesn’t follow Christian values doesn’t mean I should assume Christianity itself is the devil or bad for people.

    What is important is to make sure you understand both sides. Based on my research, there is far more articles and research papers that prove the benefits and effectiveness of ABA therapy (the right kind, that is followed under the BACB code of ethics as many above have mentioned).
    What you are doing is labeling and generalizing something without adequate research. What that does is pose a large display on your forehead “I am ignorant”.

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    1. Both sides!? Get real! Since when do the feelings of a so-called therapist matter in therapy? AND in ABA our autistic feelings are not your “data”. You get parents in a panic for your ABA salaries. Exploitation, plain and simple! You use coercion as means and you claim effective ends, falsely. You want to make non-autistics out of us autistics. That is a false promise to parents. You misjudge us as you did gays with the popular-norm-of-the-day standard. You have a half-century history of extremely painful electric skin shocking rats, dogs, us gays, and us autistics. The FDA is out to ban your ABA skin shock devices yet you refuse to admit defeat. Annie you’re out for youselves? YOU ALL have control issues. You have the problem behavior, not us. Not to mention ABA alcoholism and divorces over your control problems. You’re a BCBA? What’s your name? Or are you an anonymous internet bully! Show us videos of your day one of especially intense submission trainings. We want you to leave us alone. Autistic adults are recommending non coercive alternatives to ABA cult. Do you know the meaning of Ableism? ABA is nothing but.

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      1. I love this discussion. It’s the only lively debate online about ABA with ABA in communication with its vocal opponents that it cannot censor, which it does as it boots me out of its Facebook groups without explaining exactly why. Now these people have control problems. The whole bunch of them are drawn to the job of control of what it misjudges are behavior problems, like flies to fly paper, athletes to sports, control “deviants” (ABA language) to the job of control! They must be highly irritated at how they cannot control us, folks! Isn’t that a regular riot! It is simple to defeat them in ethics debate. Use: Don’t do to others what you don’t want done to you: Skin shock yourselves for decades on end as its JRC does! They brag about effective ends. They use by any means necessary logic. Truman ended World War Two with that approach. Incinerate Japanese babies with atomic bombs to end the war. Lovely bragging! The other ethics flaw is how our autistic feelings ain’t their ABA “data” to manipulate, tecnhically, because they cannot see them and chart them on a piece of algebraic graph paper to manipulate their rate of response, their typical dependent variables. We are their organisms that they do manipulate for their financial gain. Leech like, parasitic, empathy-disabled gang, cult, it is, no less. ABA is not a scientific system. Physics is science. Physics does not pretend it did nuclear weapons. ABA disseminators misrepresent their heavy dependencies on aversives. There is not one ABA pseudoprofessional with a statement against its half century of skin shick to rats, dogs, autistics, gays, and more. ABA claims PBS, Positive Behavior Support, is a part of them. ABA practitioners, non-PBS, have no clue on all the PBS alternatives to punishment. ABA refuses to hear us tell them to leave us alone. Robber barons! Love won. We have gay marriage. Truth will win as more ABA survivors publish their ABA PTSD stories. They’re adding up, friends! We can and we shall stop ABA. I for one am prepared to wait until hell freezes over as we sway the world against them and bankrupt them for good, one and all, the whole corrupt lot of them!

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  99. This was such a useful read – thank you. I know there is a lot of concern about the ethics of ABA amongst the ed psychs I work with, but didn’t fully understand why. This is a great insight and also really helpful to be reminded that the voices of people with autism must be considered first and foremost.

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  100. That’s why parents are free to make choices on behalf of their children. If you’re not happy with ABA, then don’t get services from an ABA provider.

    If you want help developing communication whether it be vocal or an alternative form, teaching daily living skills (like toilet training and dressing oneself), and eliminating self injurious or aggressive behaviors, then seek a good ABA provider.

    If you’d rather take care of your childs every need forever with no ability to know whether you’re successfully meeting their wants and needs because they can only sign the word “more,” then that is your choice. Also, your child would really appreciate being taught to ask for a break rather than having to bang their head every time they want one

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    1. This woman, Nichole, is speaking typical ABA propoganda. Note: She does not give her last name, does not show a video of her coercions, especially day one of extreme ABA submission training, and does not have an official public statement against extremely painful ABA electric skin shock. She specifically excludes the voice of the autistic child. She does not mention Reward And Consent, play therapy, occupational therapy or any other true therapy that is not ABA. She does not mention her bias toward ABA, due to how much money she leeches out of us autistics and our parents, unless Nichole is a parent, of course, and in that case she is brainwashed by the BF Skinner cult, who raised his baby Debbie in a Skinner Box for the convenience of his wife. If ABA simply taught skills, that would be fine, but any teacher can teach skills and ABA ain’t so special at that, but ABA is nothing but coercion and we autistics grow up resenting them and our parents for jamming ABA down our throats. ABA teaches autistics it is bad to say no to an abuser. Swell therapy. Lovely.

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    2. Notice here in this thread that Nichole (with no last name) leaves the entire choice whether or not to do ABA up to the parent. ABA will never let an autistic or other child or legally incapacitated adult dissent. They will claim the direct recipient of ABA so called “service” is not fully informed to make such a decision. Therefore, ABA is teaching the autistic or other child that it is NOT okay to say no to an abuser. This is very wrong. Because ABA has shown, time and time again, that #ABAisAbuse. Follow this Twitter hashtag to see how, ABA is abuse, please.

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  101. Thank you so, so much for writing this and for placing such importance on the Autistic Voice.
    I’m sorry you feel guilty but I’m glad that someone from the other side has come through and spoken out about it and why ABA is so abhorrent x

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  102. Isn’s autism a spectrum disorder? So, different individuals (who have autism) would need different things. ABA Therapy supposed to vary with different individuals. Keep in mind some of the people who has autism doesn’t have the same way an average person think. Hence, teaching them to be compliance is good, but you also have to teach them to say no when needed.

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  103. ABA is the only medically researched intervention that has a lasting and comprehensive impact for persons with Autism. That is why the medical establishment covers it and not other methodologies. Inclusion is a social justice philosophy, not a scientifically researched intervention. “Differentiation” is a silly teaching illusion, I wouldn’t even call it methodology, that is ineffective. Even if we are deluded to think it works, I hate to break it to you, but Harvard and MIT isn’t “differentiating” anything. We need to prepare kids for careers and college, and stimming, rocking and noncompliance and other behavior is not socially acceptable. Not providing ABA is abusive, I feel.

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    1. This is serious business.

      Here’s a new post I just made to an animal lover online list.

      The Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis shows Applied Behavior Analysis’ (ABA’s) cruelty to animals and humans. Here in this report of their so-called “effective science” they caused monkeys to head bang themselves to the point of lacerations.

      Title: SELF-INJURIOUS BEHA VIOR: SHAPING “HEAD-BANGING” IN MONKEYS

      Abstract: Head-banging, a common phenomenon among the mentally retarded, was shaped, brought under stimulus control, extinguished, and re-established in two monkeys through reinforcement and discrimination procedures of operant conditioning. The behavior was stable and led to lacerations, a condition that qualifies head-banging as self-injurious. The principles of the analysis of behavior used here may well be of value in the etiology and treatment of some human head-banging.

      Figure 1: “Self-head-hitting was reinforced.”

      ABA uses the immoral “by any means necessary” flawed ethical approach to accomplish what is considers to be “effective,” which it’s not. This is just one case in point. This is how it treats disabled people and animals who cannot defend themselves.

      Click to access jaba00076-0037.pdf

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  104. You can definitely see your enthusiasm in the paintings you write. The world hopes for even more passionate writers such as you who are not afraid to say how they believe. Always follow your heart.

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  105. Your post disgusts me. It’s comical that you say “autistic people’s” and “autistics”. Have you ever heard of a person-first language? Do you think people with autism like being referred to as Autistics? Do you think their families appreciate you categorizing them? It’s also funny that you start out by saying the voice of the autistics is why you left ABA. If you had done any research, which you clearly didn’t do well, you would recognize that perhaps these individuals with autism only had voices because of ABA. ABA has given several children voices that never would have had one without ABA. Do you think you would have learned in school had you not been forced to go and trained? Do you regret your ability to read? Someone sat you down and helped you do that. How dare you bash the field that is the only evidence-based treatment for individuals with autism.

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    1. Wow.

      Regarding the “Do you think people with autism like being referred to as Autistics?”

      Yes, many do – actually. And if you are actually interested in learning anything, you can read about that here.

      http://www.autistikids.com/identity-first-vs-person-first.html

      And if you’d like to find out about how AUTISTIC people feel about ABA, read

      http://www.autistikids.com/aba.html

      If you’re not interested in autistic voices and experiences – ESPECIALLY those that have to do with ABA specifically, then really, your opinions – and your judgementalism – don’t mean crap.

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      1. If you’re actually interested in learning anything, research ABA a bit more and see how it’s prevented children with autism from further injuring themselves or others, learning to communicate, and SPEAK. So many people with autism wouldn’t be able to bash ABA had it not been for ABA because they may never have learned how to communicate. You can give me whatever links makes you feel better, but it’s irrelevant. Do you walk up to people and say Hi, I’m {insert disease} Patricia? I wouldn’t expect someone to introduce themselves to me as autistic first so why would you think that this one video or article you send has anything to do with that? Hi diabetic Dan, nice to meet you. Hi autistic Kelly, nice to meet you. It doesn’t work like that. People like you that find one article and push it down peoples throats, will actually never change the evidence-based practice that ABA is. But good luck.

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        1. Why don’t you state your name, Miss Anonymous? Are you afraid your BCBA peers will punish you for giving us attention? You know by commenting to us here YOU are reinforcing our “deviant” angry Verbal Behavior YOU’ALL provoke. You do YOUR homework! Shut up and listen to whom the United Nations calls the true experts on autism, us actually autistic trauma survivors of YOU abusers! We have already debunked the kind of propoganda you smear across the internet! Now go away and leave those little innocent toddlers alone! Shame on you, coward! Show us Day One of your submission training videos and then we might be willing to listen to you attempt to communicate honestly. You are a pseudoscience science cult full of empathy disabled control freaks who drink too much and divorce one another in droves! Talk about your “problem behaviors of social importance”! You’re the nuts! Not us!

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        2. Anonymous, we are the victims of ABA and you are telling us to research your pseudo-scientific non-professional cult? We know it better than you do! We feel the brunt of your abuse! You treat yourself for your over-controlling behavior with behavior mods. That way you can know how it feels! The U.N. says the experts on autism are us autistics. You research us and see what we have to say about you.

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        3. I’m going to listen to autistic people on this one, thanks. I listen to those who have HAD ABA and share their experiences. And it’s not one article – it’s multiple – because you yourself said “YOU CAN GIVE ME LINKS”. I did. That’s not ONE article. It’s multiple. When ABA professionals stop being immediately defensive and start listening to those they say they want to help, then I’ll change my mind.

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    2. I use identity-first laguage. And yes I know person-first language. I know both. I feel as though identity-first language because I love autistic me exactly as I am. We are almost a higher species than those in ABA who want js wiped off the planet one behavior at a time, eugenics. Now leave those young AUTISTICS alone!

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  106. Hi, I stumbled upon your article while searching for misused autistic averages, I am not a behaviorist. I do not have a degree in psychology (yet). But I am the mother of a seven year old little girl who is autistic. She was diagnosed when she was two after three separate teams of doctors and therapist “tested” her. I didn’t believe them. I thought she was just two and going through a faze, boy was I wrong. My sweet little girl who said things like “mama” “dada” “pease” and “tank you” not only stopped talking all together but started hurting herself and me. She was so intensely violent that it scared me. There were a few nights that I really thought I was going to lose her because she was hurting herself so badly and it seemed there was little that I could do to help her. I gave in, we had a problem bigger than the “terrible two’s” and we started several different kinds of therapy and each therapist seemed to have the “cure” for her. They knew exactly what she needed and what to do to make her better. I was skeptical of all of them. I had so many therapists in and out of my home it was crazy. But I was this little girl’s mother and I would do whatever I needed to do to make sure that she was going to be OK. It wasn’t about “normalizing” her it was about keeping her safe. I am sorry that you had such a horrible experience with ABA but it saved my life and it saved HER life. Yes, out of the twenty or so therapist that I went through including speech therapist, physical therapist, occupational therapist and ABA therapists there were some that frankly sucked. My daughter hated them and refused to do anything for them. When it came down to it the therapy that I chose for her was speech therapy and ABA. Yes, there was some “compliance” training but she was two she needed to listen to me and when I told her to “stop” or “don’t touch the stove” or not running away from me in a parking lot full of cars; I needed her to comply. And when I became pregnant again I couldn’t have her kicking me in the stomach. These are things that “normal” and “autistic” children need to know are not okay. It sounds to me like unfortunately you worked for a place that cared more about the science and less about the child. I was lucky enough to work with more than one place in more than one state that cared more about my daughter and the work that she was doing to make sure that she reached her full potential. I KNEW and still know that my daughter is so intelligent. She can do or be anything that she wants to. She has a strong work ethic (she actually enjoyed sitting at the table playing games with her therapist). I like ABA not only because it worked for my daughter but it made me a better parent for her. I wasn’t going to let her settle and use the excuse that she was autistic to keep her from doing anything she wanted to. I pushed her because I think it was best for her. She is the smart capable girl (who is no longer in any kind of therapy) because of ABA and because she was pushed to aim higher; to think yes I can instead of it’s too hard. I know that not all therapy works for every child but that doesn’t mean that the therapy itself is bad. I will always be grateful for ABA. It truly changed my family for the better.

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      1. davejersey, Why is my life/story bologna? I am sorry that you hate ABA. I am sorry that you had a horrible experience. I am glad however that you found a community that you can relate to. Not everyone can find that.
        I won’t say that your full of it because I disagree with you. I respect your opinion. You are fully entitled to it. As I am to mine. My experience was amazing. My daughter is doing amazing and I wouldn’t chance anything that we did. It isn’t propaganda, its just my life.
        Whether either of us like it or not I am a part of the autistic community. We shouldn’t be tearing each other apart for how we feel or things that we have done, we should be working together to get the rest of the world to see that this is still a problem. Just a few years back people were believing that vaccines caused autism and stopped vaccinating their children. A dear friend of mine lost her son who had an autoimmune disease because he contracted measles during the outbreak in CA a few years back. There is still so much education that needs to happen. We need to work together not fight each other.
        Again this is just my opinion as I am allowed to have. I wish you nothing but the best and hope that you are doing well. Just try not to hate on people who are only trying to help their kids. I don’t know if you are a parent who has ever had to make what feels like a life and death decision, I hope not but if so you are lucky that you have been through this already and will have better insight than some of us who knew nothing about Autism until it was thrust on us. I can assure you that as parents of an Autistic child I just wanted to do right by her and I think I did.

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        1. It sounds like you took the correct approach. You did your own research and had the best intentions for your daughter in mind, at times making difficult choices when it came to destructive behaviors. You didn’t blame the approach but rather kept the people who worked in the field accountable. When I hear stories like yours, it makes me proud to work in this field, especially on days when it’s difficult to see any reward in it. Thank you for your inspiring words.
          We need more testimonials such as yours so parents can continue to make objective decisions rather than ones based on fear mongering. It’s important that parents realize this is not based on superficial compliance for the sake of compliance training; this CAN be a matter of life and death. I wish you and your daughter the best.

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        2. That’s the oldest gaslight trick in the ABA book. I stopped reading as soon as you said, Emily Anonymous, “I’m sorry you hate ABA.” Do you understand that all emancipated from ABA adults all hate ABA? Look at this! Who wouldn’t hate ABA? Answer that!

          Altieri (May 1, 2017). Denver, Colorado. Thursday, May 25–Monday, May 29, 2017. International Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) annual convention approves extremely painful ABA electric skin shock torture once again, after autistic advocates told them year after year they must stop approving it. Is ABA deaf, dumb, and blind?

          https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2017/05/like-predictable-clockwork-orange-ass.html

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          1. davejersey, So I guess you didn’t stop ready after you saw “Emily Anonymous”… You mentioned “skin shock torture”, if that is something that happened to you then I am very sorry. I have never nor would I ever condone anyone putting their hands on any of my children or doing anything even in the realm of torture. I don’t consider doing something like “hand over hand” to make my child clean up after herself is torture. No one that ever came to my house with ABA even wanted to “punish” her at all. If she got in trouble it was with me not with her therapist.
            I am curious though, what would you recommend I have done with her? Let her hit and scratch herself until she bled because it made her feel better? Should I have let her run into the middle of the street because she didn’t want to listen or hold my hand while we were walking? Should I have let her continue to kick me in my stomach while I was pregnant with her sister and possibly cause a miscarriage? These are behaviors that I needed corrected/changed in order to keep her alive!! Isn’t that my first job as her parent?
            If you were to ask her, she wouldn’t even know what autism is. She doesn’t know she has it because she isn’t treated any different than I treat any of my other children. She is in a regular public school with all her friends and has no idea what we went through to get her there. I expect certain things from her just as I do her siblings.
            She would probably be appalled by the way people are speaking to each other on here. It certainly isn’t necessary to be name calling we are adults and should act like it. Not just you, a lot of people on here are out of line. You have your opinions and beliefs and you should fight for what you believe is right but you don’t need to rip people apart or say that everyone who disagrees with you is a liar or some propaganda nonsense. You have a better chance of making your argument is you stay level headed and don’t stoop to name calling but use the facts that are on your side.

            Just because..
            http://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/a/autism-spectrum-disorders/treatments

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  107. THAnk you for your art article. I watched a programme in the U.K. Last night called Austin:challenging behaviour
    It was about ABA I watched with my son who is autistic but now 17 and was impressed how they got the children to eat. So this morning I thought I want that therapy for my son. Then on searching i found your article. What you at is actually true. Sometimes you have to understand the kids and why they do the behaviours in the first place. Being that my son can now communicate to me and is high functioning he explains the best he can why he does certain things so to force a young child to do the opposite IS surely damaging. He told me due to stress in lessons he doodles in his books. If he can’t doodle he wants to hand flap. He was told he cannot doodle in his last school which actually had an autistic unit! If he coiuldnt Chanel his stress he began to get severe headaches. He said listening to intense conversations also causes him agitation so it’s in a way a reflex for them. To take it away has to be harmful. It’s how they learn to cope in our world with so much stimulus and calms their sensory nerves. So thank you I realised he is who he is and I like him for who is he and don’t want to force him that comply to us and what we believe is the “norm”!

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    1. Caroline – your comment illustrates the entire point of the blog post. YOU understand. Behavior is communication and you get it. Your son is so lucky to have you as a mom.

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  108. What would you suggest for an alternative. I have my youngest in speech therapy and occupational therapy and although they are not directly ABA therapists they insist my 3 year old finish a task even if she is having a meltdown. I’m thinking of taking her out and just working with her myself. We are a low income family and so far the people I have worked with only seem to use these methods.

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    1. Melissa to me this sounds draconian and awful. I don’t think there is an alternative but if it is any help, they do improve. My son is 17 and much better now as he has matured and can obviously tell me the problems before they escalate. He still has meltdowns but its only if he is forced to do something he doesn’t want to do, but this rare because unless ‘he has to do it’ i leave him alone in his room to play on the computer. If he has to do something he might not like I always PRE WARN him first as you know they don’t like change. We did speech therapy and occupational therapy. I think that my son did get help with speech therapy and that he began to speak but then again that might have happened anyway. I don’t think the occupational therapy worked. School is a real challenge. Teachers on the whole are pretty useless. Watch out for bullying If they are bullied remove him, don’t let him endure it. I sent my son to a school with a ASD unit and he was so unhappy got excluded for defending himself. I moved him out and sent him to a school with a just a special needs department and he was happier because the staff LISTEN to him. Now back to your point the only thing that helped me quite a bit was i salt bath his feet and still do it now. I read somewhere that you can bathe their feet in a bowl of warm water and epsom salts, which draw out the toxins and suphur in the body that they have difficulty removing and when it builds up my son’s behavior goes a bit crazy.. he becomes more agitated and i can only describe it as ‘all over the shop’ so i do it about once a week, he thinks it does help him. I did change his diet years ago to gluten free/casein free but that was a disaster and i think it made no difference. Three years old is difficult because they can’t explain anything to you and they are hyper anyway at that age… but try to do more of what he wants to do, other than what you think he should do you will minimize the meltdowns. People say i am giving in but they don’t have to live with it on a daily basis so it makes my life easier! So finally he will get better with age, especially around age 12 at secondary, and in the meantime i think as a mother you know best but i think it is WRONG for him to be told to finish a task (these people make me livid). As a mother do what feels right for YOU. Why does he have to finish the task? and then he will have another meltdown on the next task. And the next task. And even if he completes it once it comes round to doing it again, he will still have another meltdown. That is just my opinion. Good luck!

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      1. Caroline, of course there are great alternatives to cruel, coercive ABA. We actually autistic people resent our parents who waste their time and money traumatizing us with the ABA doggie treats and the forced ammonia sniffs and the stupid ABA misjudgments. You’re saying your son improved under ABA? You’re anonymous? How do we know you are not simply ABA propaganda at work here on a site you all cannot censor? What is your name? Have your son contact me in Facebook if he wants when he is 18. Dave Jersey. We’ll learn how he feels about ABA. I’ll interview him.

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        1. Sorry Dave you have me mixed up with someone else! I’m on your side! Have NEVER used Aba and will never for my son!

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            1. That’s OK! It’s not a problem thank you.
              Maybe they are on a different time zone and i’m not worried your comment doesn’t need to be deleted. No offence taken! I’m on your side! :)

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        2. Dave he NEVER HAD ABA. I never tried it….. and never WILL. I think you misread my message… i watched a programme and considered it then read the comments on here what i really was and NO I WOULD NEVER DO IT.

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    2. If your child wants to escape a demand, place the blame away from your child and directly onto an unreasonable demand, very poor teaching skills unable to teach to your child’s skill level and analyze and break down the task into its component parts, an aversive person who is demanding compliance, and an aversive task. Let the opposite be your guide. If your child does not beam with enthusiasm before and all throughout the session, fire one and find another, always.

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      1. Please disregard Davejerseys statement. Take it from a true expert, not an overzealous, self-pitying shmuck with too much time on his hands.
        While some of what he says is valid, in that the task could be unreasonable for the child’s skill level, there’s a lot that is inaccurate in his statement.

        First, Make sure the task is something that will actually help them with independence, not some pointless behavior like looking people in the eyes. Keep ABA therapists accountable. Sometimes parents place unjust pressure on the therapists and force their hand to teach pointless items rather than ones that will save their children from getting killed or a life of institutionalization or getting a job one day. REMEMBER, ABA is a wonderful, powerful science but it needs to be used appropriately. Goal should be useful skills that help them celebrate their neurodiverity, not ashamed of it.

        Second, analyze if it is indeed appropriate for his level. Just because he has done a similar task before DOES not mean he can do it in a slightly different setting. Even a small change could provide a sensory overload for him.

        Third, the reinforcers could be waning in potency. Reinforcers lose their strength on a long enough timeline, so it’s essential that they be faded out in a proper manner OR increased, as in errorless teaching. I can’t stress this enough: make sure the reinforcers are strong enough. Autistic individuals may be neuroatypical but they are still people! You woudn’t do something difficult that you were just learning if the juice wasn’t worth squeeze, right?!?

        Fourth, it’s normal for them not to be ecstatic for the whole session. They’re having their ideal routine disrupted, so sometimes, untill they get used to the therapy, they’ll try to escape because they’d rather keep doing what they’re doing. Change takes struggle. Even Neurotypical kids don’t always enjoy what they are learning. Kids don’t often know what’s best for them! Kids, in general, need to be forced to comply at times if you don’t want them dead or institutionalized by the age of 18. Don’t use their enthusiasm as a constant guage. They should be happy with reinforcers, but it’s okay if they get frustrated; that way, ABA can target appropriate outlets for their frustration rather than banging their head against wall. If there are certain reasonable behaviors that are important (eating healthy), it’s worth a few meltdowns even. They can’t control the meltdowns, but they can control the tantrums/dissatisfaction that precede it, so that’s an added bonus. Imagine when they turn 18 and something out of anyone’s control doesn’t go their way…this way they learn alternative behaviors. I had parents ask that I be replaced and I didn’t even know what I did wrong…all they would say is that we didn’t “click.” Don’t just replace the therapist on a whim; make objective decisions not ones from emotional reactivity.

        Fifth, Don’t always listen to Autistic adults on the issue. They are an invaluable resource, but remember that Autism is a spectrum…it varies and while some symptoms are common, every individual is different. Listen to everybody, especially your kid, but most off all, come up with your own conclusion. Remember, since he’s a child, you’re his best advocate. I’ve found that, while they are right on lot of pointless behaviors being taught by therapists and schools that is esssentially pointless abuse, they can never respond to how to correct truly dangerous or difficult behaviors that interfere with independence. A lot of their argument against ABA comes from improper use of it, with which I agree. Hope that helps! Feel free to ask any questions and I’ll give the straght facts, not some emotional BS. Your kid deserves the best!

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          1. And you sound like a bitch…all you do is call me a nightmare without justifying your claim.
            Anybody who works in this field knows that unjustified replacements happen. Sometimes the therapists are unprofessional and make mistakes…it happens.
            Sometimes the parents are just so emotionally distraught and unaccepting that their children are different that they project their fears as to what they think is best for working with their children. But hey, that’s their prerogative.
            I got replaced after 6 months once because despite improved academic performance, the school and parents were upset that I didn’t force him to play with other children during his recess. Instead, I let the child decide how to play during his break time. Yeah…I’m a REAL nightmare…

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            1. Your level of professionalism shines through when you call someone a bitch. Just another self absorbed BCBA ….if you even achieved that level. I have no doubt you were let go by many schools and parents. It’s understandable.

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              1. Perhaps our standards of professionalism differ. My definition is engaging in work that is in the best interest of the child, not the parent or the schools. Sometimes, that means suffering in my career as a result. That is the exact opposite of being self-absorbed; it’s being altruistic and doing an often thankless job out of a moral conviction. They are the ones who act like self-absorbed bitches, putting their own interests before their child’s, hoping I will make them pass as neurotypical rather than actually helping them…these are facts. It’s upsetting at times, but I have no qualms in sacrificing mobility in my career for the benefit of the children. Aside from these instances, I’ve had countless families tell me that their children improved immensely because of the work I did with them, so I know that I’m as professional as they come. If you’re offended that I call a person who likes to talk out their ass a bitch, then perhaps you need to take a look at the context and realize that sometimes, especially in an internet forum, you need to call a spade a spade.

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          2. Hahaha brilliant reply Patti. To : DeusFNL – everyone has a right to an opinion but who is going to take you seriously when you insult someone calling them “an overzealous, self-pitying shmuck with too much time on his hands”. The person you have insulted could potentially have autism and even if not, you come off looking the SHMUCK, You lost most of your audience with your aggressive approach – and if this is basis for ABA nobody will touch you with a bargepole. You finally said “Fifth, Don’t always listen to Autistic adults on the issue”. Why NOT? They have a voice… they should be respected and treated as such just as you and i would. I am glad my son did not do ABA you can get the same results with patience and kindness and they change dramatically when they mature anyway.

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            1. That’s ironic. I don’t want this to degrade to a “she/he hit me first” sort of thing, but Davejersey calls anyone in this profession bullies (look at all his posts) and patti said I’m a nightmare, without justifying her claims, just an insult. So I responded, except I justified my claim as to why she comes off as a bitch. This science is irrefutable :)

              Yes, I feel very passionate about this. Whether or not he has autism, I empathize with him, but I will not stand by quietly as he not only slanders an entire profession (whether or not they are perfect) over some misguided resentments and presents lies and Voodoo Logic as his arguments. I know who he is, and what he’s achieved, and his disability does not excuse him from purposefully hurting other people’s chances at recovery. I stand vehemently opposed to him because I want parents to understand the gravity of denying their children intervention based on “feelings” rather than “facts.” If I come off as angry, I am.
              And I never said NEVER listen to Autistic people’s opinions on the issue. They are an invaluable resource, but they are not the end all and be all when it comes to making decisions on treatment! That’s like saying a Cancer Patient’s opinion should ALWAYS bem more of a deciding factor than a Doctor’s opinion on the issue of treatment…do you realize how ludicrous that sounds?
              Patience, compassion…these are all principles that ABA represents. If your child turned out reaching their optimal efficiency in terms of independence without ABA, good for them. But there are plenty more who could benefit from this type of intervention. Denouncing it because your child didn’t need it is such a ridiculous argument…there are children out there who have been saved a life of institutionalization thanks to this intervention.

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              1. DeusFNL – I agree. I didn’t come on here to start arguing so i agree let’s call it a truce but I felt offended for him, Dave, that yes he writes a lot of comments against ABA but you didn’t need to be so rude to him. I’m very over protective of autistic people (if he is autistic?) and I think they have a hard enough life as it is (my son has it). I feel sad that they don’t always get a voice.
                You are allowed your points to defend a profession you feel passionate about. It’s up to the parents on here to make up their own minds for and against. However we dont institutionalise autistic people in the uk as such so I guess there is less pressure for looking for intervention therapies here unless you actively look for it I only heard of it because a to programme came on about it. I won’t reply any more as I said I don’t want a slanging match!

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              2. Wonderful. We are perfectly cear. Our messages get out. Ask any emancipated survivor of aba. They´ll tell you the same. Aba is bunch of bullies. Ask them to publish their name opposing skin shock torture. They will not. the cult likes it. It is addicted to aversives. Bullies.

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    3. Please contact us at Optimal Rhythms / ACCESS Academy to learn so strategies that are proving to be a true alternative to ABA. Our Neurologic focus takes each child’s Sensory-motor struggles and/or complex communication challenges into consideration, builds on strengths (not deficits or perceived behaviors), and presumes competence in all children. We would love to help!! Search #rethinkautism for more information!

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        1. Ouch! I’m on your side, Dave!
          I have seen the devastating effects of well-intentioned ABA practitioners and practices. It’s off track and misses the true strengths and struggles of autism.
          I seek input from the true experts of autism (those who physically experience it daily), our Rethinking Autism Conferences offers personal testimonies and trainings from self-advocates as our keynote speakers and presenters. We focus on the Neurologic aspects of autism (neurodiversity, strength-based supports, regulation, Sensory-motor differences, and access to communication for all. Please take a moment to check us out.

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          1. davejersey. To be honest as a mum with an autistic child (now 17) and reading a lot of these replies I have come to the conclusion ABA just seems like some sort of cult! i think it’s like when they did shock therapy for depression…. it’s not the way we do things anymore – and these are children whose lives are already difficult – they will never be the way you want them to be and to conform to be like the rest of us – so just leave them alone to be who they are. ABA actually makes me feel physically sick.

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            1. ABA did not ever do “shock therapy” for depression. You’re referring to the nin-ABA ECT. ECT is brain shock by psychiatry. They still do that. It’s supposed to treat depression, and even chronic pain. ABA is a cult. ABA still does do its GED, extremely painful electric skin shock torture to us autistics, to so-called juvenile delinquents released from detention centers in New York, etc.. You’re misinformed.

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              1. Davejersey. Yes you are right sorry, i think i read on here someone mentioned it thats why I said about Electric Shock therapy. I watched a programme in the UK on ABA on BBC1 and first of all i thought this could work until i realised how they got the results. Why are they forcing these kids to conform to the NORM. What is normal? to be like us who don’t have it? We are not meant to all be the same on this planet. I think people just want results without looking at WHY the behaviours are there, why are they hand flapping, why don’t they like the food (because it looks nasty and smells due to sensory issues)…. anyone praising ABA is being cruel. Change the diet, use Epsom salts, magnesium, massage…. then wait because they get better when they mature and can express themselves better… my son is a different kid now at 17. It wasn’t easy but be patient and ride the storm. It will pass.

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              2. Cas, We at ABA Leaks have found good many Moms like you who see the cruelty in ABA. Ask an autistic how best to help our young autistic peers. At seventeen your child is ready or nearly ready for peer support, with no ABA, please, right? He can find the Autistic Self Advocacy Network on the internet. For the parents of young newly diagnosed, you AND your child might like DIR Floortime or rlse non ABA play based therapies. Do not believe ABA when it says old ABA was bad, but new ABA is good. They are always biased in their own favor. Note, we autistics do not get paid to oppose ABA, but they always profit from their parasitic relationship with autism families.

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              3. DaveJersey. Thank you. I took at look at Autistic Self Advocacy Network it was interesting. However, we are in the UK so our support groups will be slightly different from what you get there, i.e. different groups/organisations etc. My son gets help in school and will at university (if he goes) and so we just manage ourselves but I help him a lot! Thank you for your kind help and don’t worry I will never go down the ABA wicked route! My son would refuse now anyway! It’s his way or no way!!!

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              4. Very cool, Cas. Please tell other Autism Moms and Dads. The United Nations calls for funding of autism led programs, not ABA propaganda profiteers. The UN says we autistics know autism best. That is common sense logic. Our hearts are broken when we see our young peers going through the same traumatic ABA as what we did. We empathize very well. Since our feelings are not observable, they are not ABA “data,” therefore ABA is very retarded on the Emotional IQ score. You may also tell your son to find autistic people in Facebook groups we run away from parents and coercive ABAers. My team ABA Leaks are part of a new movement, the CounterControllers to the ABS Controllers. We piggy back on the autism-led Neurodiversity Movement. ABA hats this. We aim to bankrupt this massive insurance fraud industry, and promote humane alternatives to ABA. They deny the emerging data about the trauma they provoke and always paint a rosy picture of themselves. That is a pseudoscience fraud masquerading as science. Yhey have sone nerve calling Cognitive Science pseudoscience. They are the pot calling the kettle black. Note. They rarely show Day One videos when their submission training to break our free will is so blatantly obvious. They call us deviants. They are the freaks, control freaks, who cannot stay married or walk away from a drink.

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              5. davejersey.Thank you for your reply. I am on your team… autistic people are unique in their own right and have feelings just like the rest of us and don’t need this nonsense. It’s sad but maybe with enough people speaking out against it the reputation will fall and it might eradicate the barbaric therapy. I will tell my son to look for groups on FB! Keep up the good work. Caroline

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      1. Please contact aba leaks of facebook. As we move to bankrupt these aba insurance fraudsters who deny they cause trauma, we aim to screen, actually autistic screeners, and promote the alternatives to aba we say are humane to our actually autistic peers. Be prepared to show day one treatment videos, casey.

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  110. I do ABA therapy, and my clients are always allowed to take a break during an assignment by asking for it. Sometimes we play games that they initiate and other times that I do. We also practice initiating play in the other’s interest. Sometimes kiddos try to deliver a message in a way that hurts others (siblings, parents, and themselves), it is important to teach a functional way to communicate their desires that won’t harm those that care for them and visa versa.

    Sometimes it can be invasive, and there are flaws – the institutions are changing as more people join the field. We could use people like you, who actually CONSIDER the feelings of the community we do our best to help.

    thank you

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    1. Parents, if you are reading this, do not believe anything an ABA controller claims is true. Make her show you all her obedience training videos, especially from day one of her submission trainings.Then ask her to show you her public published statement against ABA extremely painful electric skin shock torture. I guarantee you. She doesn’t have one. They all support it.

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  111. I sympathize with your predicatment, as I left ABA for my own reasons. I felt as though we were just treading water, coming in to do programs they didn’t want and I didn’t want to do. However, I found employment through a new company and discovered many things my previous company did incorrectly. But none of them were as egregious as the aversive stimulus the ink and daggers link described. Matter of fact, punishment is targeted as something we DO NOT engage in. There are consequences for behavior, such as if you throw a tablet at someone you lose it for the day. But consequences are always directly correlated to the behavior, and not always negative (I walk into a house, the child looks at me, eye contact and says hi. I high five them,maybe start session with something he/she likes). I believe your experience in aba isn’t reflective of Aba as a whole. There are many companies who do not adhere to ethical standards which are supposed to be enforced by BCBAs assigned to each case. I found many parents who were disappointed by their interventionists, and often I am a replacement for several staff before me. There is so much turn over in the field that people who are wholly unqualified to work in Aba are hired, giving the field of Aba a bad name. I had never heard of ableism before reading this post, but I believe it is more complicated than simply accepting people with a different neurotype. Often families and their children are struggling to handle the difficulties of autism, with every aspect of their lives impacted by an autism spectrum disorder. It isn’t a matter of people accepting those who are differently abled; it is a mom who cannot leave her house because her son will scream, kick, fight and run with no sense of self preservation once outside. Yes ABA has been abused and more oversight is required, but it is also an effective strategy for many (not all) who fall under ASD, apsergers disorder, and PPD-NOS. Your experience is valid, but it isn’t indicative of ABA as a whole and I would like anyone reading this blog to understand as such. I have worked in the field of special needs for six years, four of those in ABA. I am currently pursuing my masters in ASD and intend to pursue a Board Certified Behavior Analyst certification.

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    1. What is your real name, Eric? Why are you being anonymous? Where is your published statement with your true name against ABA smin shock? You all evencoerce if you do mot people nish. Unlke DIR Floortime you ABAers disfegard dissent. We do not believe your words. Your cruel candy bribes, when we’re food deprives and all uour so called aversion therapy is uour actions. Show us all your Day One submission training videos. Then we might believe your claims.

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    2. Typos corrected. What is your real name, Eric? Why are you being anonymous? Where is your published statement against ABA skin shock? You all even coerce if you do not punish. But you ar always addicted to last resort punishment. ABA ain’t Positive Behavior Support, bro, or is it sis? Unlike DIR Floortime, you ABAers disregard dissent. Why are you not promoting peer support? Because you leeches don’t profit when we help ourselves. We do not believe your words. Your cruel candy bribes, when we’re food deprives and all your so-called “aversion therapy” is your actions. Show us all your Day One submission training videos. Then we might believe your claims. Your actions tell us how cruel you are Mr.! Not your disseminating words. You speak with an anonymous forked tongue, snake!

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    3. You do not know the Neurodiversity Movement you criticize. We use identity-first language. ABA wants us to be ashamed of our autism identities. We are not “people whose lives are impacted on the ASD spectrum” as your Autism $peaks says. We are autistics and we’re damned proud of ourselves. Now go away and leave us alone. You’ll have to live with yourself if you become a BCBA, Eric Anonymous. We at ABA Leaks learn not to believe ABA claims, especially anonymous ones. Your cruel actions speak louder than your fake praises and your fake words!

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  112. I am a new RBT who is quitting the field also. Your post helped strengthen my decision. I have an educational background in Psychology, but all of my prior work with supporting children has been in direct support – which is much more relationship-focused, opposed to behavior-focused. I cannot comment on the efficacy of the therapy, so my decision to quit is not about that, but the fact that so many things began to sit wrong with me due to my prior experiences. I wouldn’t force a child in a wheelchair from doing something that they may not be physically able to do or is hurtful to them, but it is acceptable if a child’s brain works differently. All that I had learnt before taking this job is to meet children with disabilities where they are at. If an autistic child had trouble with transitions, we found ways to accommodate him/her. With this job, even if my kid was tired or had a miserable day before I came in, if I told them something I had to follow through with it, and I should physically prompt/force them even if it may make the situation worse. I love the clients that I work with, but none of this comes naturally to me, and I cannot train myself to act in this way simply because the behavior plan asks for it. There’s also something to be said about how many of us are just thrown into the field and expected to know what we are doing; it is only making my anxiety worse, knowing that there are many expectations from me (both from my supervisor and the family) while I am basically gritting my teeth.

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    1. AS a mum of a 17 year old autistic boy I’m happy you said that. Please don’t feel bad. You are doing the right thing. It doesn’t feel good in your heart then don’t do it. The whole thing ABA turns my stomach. I’m sure you can find another job that fulfils you more. Best of luck! You’re doing the right thing :)

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    2. Nice going Sje. Please publish your story. Or please contact ABA Leaks on Facebook. Or me, Dave Altieri, rewardandconsent@gmail.com. We need more volunteers or whistleblowers. We can keep you anonymous and not reveal identifying info if you like to interview with me. Or else you can use your name. Dusty Jones, BCBA, quit ABA and told me it forces out the good ones like you. Tell your RBT friends, please. Look. Gus don’t want to marry gals who are trained how to control them by withholding sex scientifically from them. Tell them they’re setting themselves up for divorces, please. Then Dusty returned to ABA, for the money, I suppose. We need to live with our decisions. I do not know how they can sleep at night. Oh yes. They drink themselves to sleep to ease their conscience. Now who has the real behavior problems? ABAers do, of course. Parasite profiteers who need parents to panic as they use fear-mongering techniques to sell themselves. Robber barons. Carpet baggers.

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      1. I have been aware for a while that accusations were being made against me by davejersey on this blog. I decided to ignore them when I first learned they were on here, but as I see this thread is still active as recently as last month, I feel I should address his comments.

        Davejersey, (aka Dave Altieri, aka Pat the Safety Clown) I don’t believe I ever told you that ABA forces good practitioners out of the field. And I know I never told you that I left ABA, let alone any reasons for doing so. My reasons for working or not working in ABA are my own. They are personal and have nothing to do with your crusade against the field. While you seem to regard yourself as some kind of expert advocate, I have not myself witnessed a level of expertise in your discourse that would cause me to agree with your claim. At the time that we were in conversation with each other, it was clear that you had read a lot, but I would not say that you had mastered the material. You describe “ABA” as if it were a sentient being, like the Dark Side of the Force, with its own agency and intention. Had you truly reviewed the paper you say I failed to credit you for reviewing, you should have understood that my position on “ABA” was that it is a set of tools that can be used in many ways, both supportive and destructive. In that paper I proposed that people who use the tools poorly are doing a disservice to their clients, themselves, and the field, and I included examples from my own experiences with such practices. I would not, as you say, describe myself as an “ABA dissident” (that would be like saying I’m against hammers and screwdrivers). I did not, as you say, return to ABA for the money. And I do not, as you say, approve of the methods employed by JRC and the like. While you and I may agree on some of the ethical matters we discussed, I would not sit on your side of the debate table in any forum. Not because you so easily become hostile to those who disagree with you, but because you present yourself not as an expert, but a clown. That is not how I would represent myself or my positions in a serious debate about harmful practices against children. I see now that it was my mistake to take you and your criticisms of ABA seriously and engage you in conversation when you found your way onto our private forums. Perhaps I should have hated on you like everyone else did and asked the moderators to silence you. Had I done that, I would have received your criticism along with the rest of the group. But I tried to treat you like a credible witness and someone who’d undertaken great effort to educate himself on the topic he wished to address. As a result, I have become a target of attacks directed specifically against me because I failed to step aboard your platform wholesale.

        So, please, stop talking about me, and especially please stop talking for me. You don’t know me, and I don’t know you.

        And for those who have come to this blog seeking guidance in your own ventures with ABA and behavior analysis, yes, the field suffers from some very serious ethical problems. But also know that there are some good people out there who have figured out how to navigate these issues and provide good care to those they serve, taking into consideration the very problems with ABA that davejersey rails against.

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        1. Gee, that’s not accurate, Dusty. You asked for my help with your dissenting ABA paper and then you didn’t acknowledge my assistance. That was a bad start. It seems like academic dishonesty. You did tell me the good ones leave ABA, on the phone. You may have forgotten. And anyone can see why you would say that if you know ABA well. You said you were going into carpentry instead. And it was temporary, it turned out because as you were driving back to New England you said you were returning. I’m not going to read the rest of what you said. It seems like a rant.

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        2. Have you seen our Facebook page, Dusty? We’re autistic teachers and journalists, ABA Leaks. We do Freedom of Information Act requests. We seek more volunteers for public release of more ABA high voltage Rotenberg skin shock videos. Any takers? Anyhow, here’s our work in the link below. We’re Georgetown U. trained and published in Ethics.

          Altieri (first published April 29, 2017). Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) has a Terrible Timeline it will never publish and here it is. This report includes works of the “CounterControllers” to the ABA Controllers.

          https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2017/04/applied-behavior-analysis-has-terrible.html

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        3. If I attacked you character in a personal, ad hominem way, then let me know. But I don’t think I did. I hope you can refrain from that, too. Anyhow, guys buck heads and get over it. I hope we will be friendly again soon.

          By the way, what in particular, if anything, do you do against what the UN calls torture? ABA skin shock This is serious business. Look at this video.

          If you would please issue a public condemnation of Rotenberg, I would be happy to publish it and praise your work.

          If you don’t, ask yourself why not. Such statements are rare and that is why ABA is not a scientific system. No science always only paints a rosy picture of itself. You all deny our PTSD trauma reports, For God’s sakes, why?

          Rather than railing at your best critic, look inward!

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        4. I’m curious to know. Why do you open our old dialogue with me now? I haven’t thought about you or spoken of you in a long time.

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  113. Altieri (April 15, 2017): As unbelievable as it sounds, ABA Leaks concludes, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) is a direct cause of their well-known extremely painful electric skin shock “treatment” now as we speak on gay victims of the newly-reported Russian concentration camps, the likes of which the world has never seen since Adolph Hitler’s mid-Twentieth-Century, white-supremacy, neurotypical, scientifically-genocidal Nazi Party rounded up, imprisoned, tortured, sterilized, and annihilated 6,000,000 gays, disabled people, and all the others.

    https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2017/04/this-is-followup-post-to-applied.html

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  114. If you still checkup on this website, I would really like to talk to you. I’m planning a career in ABA and have seen a different side than explained above but I’m just wondering isn’t there still a way to use ABA basis and it not be harmful? Since what we learn about ASD is constantly changing, the techniques can too. For example, some behaviors autistic individuals may not want to “get rid” and they self advocate for that and it’s great I would never want to change a behavior in a client just because it’s normal. But what about the child who hits himself or others? Or the child who will not drink water and thus has sever intestinal issues? Or the adult who is verbal and wants to speak and make friends but doesn’t know how?

    I’m just wondering if you and all those you linked to are suggesting no form of therapy available at all?

    I’m not saying this from an arguing standpoint I promise, just genuinely curious. Please contact me!!

    swa57878@obu.edu

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    1. We are suggesting humane alternatives to ABA. ABA sells itself on fear mongering. Oh if you don’t hire us, you are neglectful, because your child will bang his head unless we save him. Look at LaVigna and Donnellan endnote Ch. 1. 1986. A crisis calls for crisis management, not ABA. He is a BCBA. He is clear on that. If ABA were only about teaching skills, we would be okay with it. But ABA ain’t much more than obedience ttaining. Watch their videos in youtube. Do you want to be treated like a BF Skinner lab rat? He raised his baby daughter debby in a box, said there’s no such thing as freedom, and said he opposed punishment, except for who they deem are abnormal!

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    2. Don’t you ever force anyone to speak, Lindsey. The deaf community survives with no speech coercion. You leave us alone. DIR Floortime and non ABA speech therapy does not coerce. Why should you, up and coming control freak!?

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      1. I wasn’t referring to forcing someone who doesn’t want speak to speak. I was referring individuals who experience social anxiety but do wish to be social.

        What alternatives do you personally suggest? Do you think there should not be any sort of therapy and that we should just let the neurodiversity be?

        I am discussing on this site to learn, not argue or used demeaning language like you have. If do not wish to have a productive conversation that’s fine. I’ll leave it be.

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        1. You are choosing to enter a cult of pseudoscience that masquerades as a science. It fails misereably to silence the CounterControllers. These Controllers, Lindsey, will punish you if you dissent. It only paints a rosy picture of itself. It denies the reports of PTSD it causes. It disregards autistic feelings because it cannot see them and manipulate them dirftly. It is therefore Emotionally IQ retarded. You can call my tough speech demeaning. You are demeaning! Google Scholar it! ABA calls us deviants. It always has. If you don’t want to hear the truth, Mr. Anonymous Lindsey, then hit the ignore button. ABA always coerces. If you do not wish to fall into their net, then quit them now. Do something else. You get them as young as age one and corner them in a chair and hold their hands to block our stim. Control freaks take them when they’ve small because they cannot defend themselvrs then.

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  115. Who are you, judge, jury, prosecutor and executioner of what you deem is abnormal behavior? ABA never teaches people to accept our differences, to even appreciate them. Look at your use of the word ¨normal.¨ ABA cannot see it´s a bunch of abnormal control freaks who profit by telling parents we´re deviants from the norm. ABA word: “deviant.” Google Scholar it. That’s why we why we justly say aba is full of control freaks. Look at ABA Facebook profiles. So many alcoholic drinks in their hands. Why? They cannot face their very own guilty consciences. Let’s analyze them. Hypothesis. A high percentaage of alcoholic and divorcing behaviors. Analyze yourselves and go away and leave us alone. Shock yourselves! Spray youself in the face with cold water! withhold candy from a hungry toddler one more time!

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  116. Many conditions lead to destructive behaviors and behaviors that disturb others. While ABA is not solely used on Autistic children, autistics are by far the group these therapies are most used on. As an Autistic why shouldn’t I not think society views our behavior as particularly reprehensible?

    ABA often will stop having the “desired” effects if you ease up or stop using it. Why should I not think it is a very time consuming and expensive band-aid?

    ABA has monopolized behavioral treatments in the last decade or so. Researchers need money and want prestige. Those researching “outlier” therapies that might be less expensive and time consuming are going find getting those more difficult. So the claim by ABA defenders that ABA is the only “evidence based” therapy is a self fulfilling prophecy. ABA defenders love to say abusive therapy under the name of ABA are done quacks peddling fake ABA. Fraudsters go where the money is and these days it is ABA, so this is a problem crated by the success of ABA advocates in getting their way.

    ABA is a symptom of a societal problem that goes beyond therapies and autism. We do not let kids be kids and mature naturally. Everything has to be micromanaged. This is wrong, wrong and more wrong. At age 6 back in the 60’s I was walking several blocks by myself, by my tweens riding my bike several miles and riding public transit by myself. Parents that allow their children are considered child abusers today. Being an undiagnosed autistic was rough, my journey through life has not been typical but the freedom and space I and my peers were allowed let me find out who I was, what worked, what did not work for me, and most importantly why I suffered consequences when I made an error. Poor kids today do not get that chance. With 40 hours a week of therapists on their case and every minute of their days scheduled for them as it any wonder kids meltdown?

    The whole push in autism research today is diagnosing autism earlier and earlier, infancy and sooner so the ABA therapy can start as soon as possible. That flies in the face of claims by ABA defenders that they do not want to make people not autistic. What is wanted is to get at a persons brain at the critical stages of wiring itself so as to stop or deflect the autism.

    And they keep on saying we have a disorder(SMH).

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    1. That two years after the article was written people are still commenting on it demonstrates the depth of emotion which we are suposed to lack so many autistics have towered ABA. ABA can cause or exacerbate a whole host of mental illnesses

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  117. Anxious Advocate – As someone who worked in the ABA field for a period of time (years?), you obviously have a heart to help people and kids. Since your self-discovery of the potential for ABA to cause PTSD and just overall damage individuals with ASD/disabilities, what have you moved on to – career-wise? What would you recommend – beyond reading and digestion of additional information you kindly provided – to others in the field of ABA as a potential direction to head in that helps individuals with ASD?

    I myself work in the field of ABA under BCaBAs and BCBAs as an RBT and like to think of myself as a knowledge sponge and independent researcher of many things related to health, fitness, and psychology. I enjoy challenging norms and “comfortable” schools of thought with well-researched newer discoveries (such as the rapidly approaching “new” way of thinking that sugar is what’s killing us by way of diseases, not butter/fat).

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    1. Nice question, Micheal. You point out a problem. The only skill that ABA teaches ABAers is how to control people with less power than them. That’s one reason why ABA is a cult. You can’t leave and you can’t stop the torture. It punishes dissent within its ranks, which is why we rarely see an ABA published statement against skin shock ABA torture. Only one, by Lovaas himself, in very demeaning terms. Lovaas (1965) shocked, in a Life Magazine report, Pamela, a 9-year-old autistic girl, just because she was different. Then he changed his mind and found other ways than shock to torture us. Just like a Skinner Box, as in BF Skinner raised his baby Debbie in a box, for the convenience of his wife. UCLA Lovaas lab room, electric floor. Rat Skinner Boxes today have electric grid floor. Behaviorists need to shock poor innocent rats so they can conveniently analyze other forms of ABA torture. The only reason why ABA does not shock in every state in the USA is we stop them. Chechnya Russia gay internment camps. Victims report “shock treatment” in the Guardian. That is the same device and purpose, electrodes to the skin: punish them because they’re gay. Just like how ABA used to shock gays. Until we fought back. Now ABA is frothing at the mouth in hopes Pence will start them off in his “gay conversion therapy,” because ABA is so “effective” at autism conversion therapy. . ABA started with Russian Pavlov slicing dog cheeks to collect dog saliva. Skinner sent an expedition there. ABA torture is all over Russia. That gay shock is a direct result of ABA shock! ABA at its finest. Now Michael, become a plumber and start a plumbing business. Do not become a liberal hypocrite. Do not think you can help the helpless. So don’t call us “special needs.” Remember you’re the one with the pathetic needs to help the helpless. If you go to college you’re in debt until you’re old and you fill the coffin. Any plumber can buy and sell fancy car owners in fancy close in giant houses on astroturf mini parcels of property. They hock everything, half of them. And their shoes clop on mall surfaces. If you want to help us, find a nonprofit that disabled people operate and govern. Follow our orders. That is the only way you can help us, according to us. Get a real job. If you want to help us, find a nonprofit that disabled and autistic operate and govern. Follow OUR orders. Ask an autistic how to help an autistic. Only we know how it feels. We are evolved. You’re not. Autism is beautiful. Never change us. Change yourself. You are an ABAer. They drink too much. They control as a lifestyle. You call us abnormal deviants. Bullshit! You’re a wild pack of profiteering control freaks. We don’t need you. We don’t want you. Find us at ABA Leaks in Facebook.

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      1. ..Yes, the writings of someone who is clearly evolved. Yes, Autistic individuals never need to change..if they’re having violent meltdowns, then EVERYTHING around them needs to change..genius argument.
        You didn’t even answer his question. Just more nonsense and lies about skinshock and the suggestion that we listen to you, only you’re not saying anything concrete. Thank you for providing the best argument as to why ABA is necessary by spouting insults and a bunch of BS. Thank you Dave. Parents take note.

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        1. Everybody needs to change including ABA supporters. Good relationships are bulit on compromise. Right now the Neurotypical – Autistic relationships are based for the most part on the assumption that because we are 98 percent and you Autistics are 2 percent therefore we are right and your “symptoms” are wrong. ABA is just a symptom of this mentality. It is most often we give everything to be like you and you do not have to give a thing. That can work with some autistics for a period of time and even work well but over the long term it fails. “Passing” for somebody you are not 24/7 leads to burnout and depersonalization. Believing who you are is flawed leads to depression, suicide, PTSD etc. Go on any Autistic forum and you will read hundreds upon hundreds posts describing this. Many say this is all ancidotal and not evidence based and they are correct. Not evidence based does not mean not the truth. There are not peer reviwed papers confirming(or rejecting) this because of the assumption that the co-occurring PTSD etc are autism caused or related and not being constantly told who you are is wrong caused.

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          1. Anecdotal evidence is a bona fide research method. You do your autistic peers a disservice to say anecdotal is not evidence. Say that to a judge and he’ll laugh at you.

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          2. I’d go to Gambler’s Anonymous, if I had a gambling problem. I’m glad you think Addiction is such a funny topic Dave. Real compassion there loser. And as usual..no response from you..just insults. So glad few parents actually listen to you. Thank God your stupidity is ignored by the world at large.

            And Aspie, nobody is asking them pass. That’s not ABA..that’s just parent’s preferences. And No, they’re not right. That doesn’t negate the benefits of ABA.
            But allowing individuals to not attempt to pick up certain skills for independence and safety is even more irresponsible.

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            1. DuesFNL: I agree most parents preference would be to have thier kid be “normal”. ABA therapies did not become such a lucrative business by ignoring their customers. Asking autistics to pass is ABA. Success has been defined as making autistics “indistinguasible from thier peers” from at least 1987 http://thelovaascenter.com/about-us/dr-ivar-lovaas/. Using more politically correct language and techniques to appeal to mellenial parents does not change the roots of what ABA is.

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              1. Nothing would make me happier than to be as blunt as possible with many of the families that I’ve worked with. I have been at times, and have suffered as a result and lost cases. Afterwards, someone came to replace me who didn’t mind keeping their mouth shut. There’s a lot of BS in ABA with regards to appeasing the parents. That aspect certainly needs to change and it starts with educating the parents. They put undue pressure on a lot of the therapists in order to keep their business, because there’s a dime a dozen therapists and companies out there who will swoop in afterwards. I got taken off a case once because despite improved academic performance, I didn’t want to force the kid to interact with other kids during Recess if he didn’t want to (which the school “suggested” that I do on a couple of occasions), and gave him the option of how to enjoy his recess…as if there was a fucking correct way to spend one’s recess!! The school told me that they need someone who’s more involved and would do that, and I was replaced (this is exactly the reason I was given by my Director). There have been several other cases where this has occured.
                HOWEVER, there’s an incredible amount of benefit that arises from necessary skills that Autistic individuals are trained in, like learning functional means of communication rather than just banging their heads against the wall or acting in an aggressive manner when they want something. I don’t know what you’re referring to, but most FBAs (Functional Behavior Assessments) are AT LEAST 60-70% composed of real everyday skills (like brushing teeth), not just ones of social significance. I’m telling you from the perspective of having worked for several companies. If you’re interested, try to ask someone you know in the field and they will confirm that this is the case.
                It’s not about Passing..stop quoting some Lovaas study from 1980s. Just cause the roots of something are tainted doesn’t mean it can’t develop into something beneficial. What you’re doing is staying prejudiced against an entire field because of some, I’ll admit, ill-begotten beginnings. It’s moved beyond that, with ignorant parents/school personnel being the last hindrance towards the industry becoming 100% efficient in supplying Autistic individuals with necessary skills.

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              2. I am sure there are a lot of people in the field that do not wish change who autistic people are and only want to eliminate harmful behaviors, another words want nothing to do with Lovass, but as they say a leopard cannot change its spots. While that cliche is not always true blog after blog, post after post and even your difficulties suggest that while ABA has evolved its roots still run deep. The Association For Behavioral Analysts International invited the Judge Rotenburg Center where the still use 1960’s style Lovass skin shocks to their conference. This was not the 1980’s but two years ago.

                So unless I see a clean break from the past and that means an apology and maybe damage payments claims the ABA has little or nothing to do with its past ring hollow.

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              3. So what you’re saying is that because there are some dumbasses who work in ABA, no autistic child should ever receive help for what you described as self-harming behaviors, is that correct…? …that’s some strong self-righteous pride you got there.
                Who should apologize? The people who inflicted skin shocks? I agree. But asking an entire profession to apologize for something they had no part in is asinine. And so nobody receives help until everyone apologizes and pays money? So by that logic, if a US based charity organization wants to donate relief supplies to a 3rd World nation, they should be refused until every American apologizes and pays reparations for all the collective transgressions that the US has committed since its inception?
                C’mon Aspie, don’t pull this Dave Jersey crap..you’re better than that. Have your opinions on the matter but don’t be lined up with the “ALL ABA is BAD” bullshit that Dave Jersey and Amethyst are a part of just cause of Neurodiversity-based, yet utterly self-righteous pride. Remember, your words could affect a parent’s decision. This isn’t about what ties run deep..this is about saving lives.
                And to reiterate, I expressed my frustration with the parents/schools..not the science of ABA.

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              4. Maybe they do need more training/knowledge. I concur. But it doesn’t negate the benefit that proper ABA brings.

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          3. DeusFNL: Not every ABA therapist should apologize. I would say the governing bodies/professional organizations that type of thing, maybe the Lovass descendants. The US apologized for putting Japanese-Americans in internment camps even though 99 percent of Americans had nothing to do with it. From what I read there are more than a few dumbasses.

            Those of you that completely oppose the old thinking should form your own professional organization or take over the one you are in. If doing that is too professionally risky that speaks volumes as to what the inner core beliefs of ABA circa 2017.

            We have all done and thought things we are not proud of. No matter how much we have changed no matter how much we are overall a good person those things are a part of who we are and are in us no matter how much we want to deny it. I am not saying we should guilt trip ourselves 24/7 but we need to admit that we did those things and they are a part of who we are, maybe a small part but a part. As a field ABA needs to do this. All I see is a complete denial that the bad historical elements remain in the field. “Your bad experiences were the old ABA”,”Your bad experiences was the not real ABA” etc. These statements are often true. There are a lot of quacks saying they are ABA because ABA has monopolized behavioral therapies, quacks go where the money is. So all the quackery associated with ABA is in part the fields fault.

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            1. I can tell you right now that most companies are their own private entity, not allied with anything. If they do have any affiliation, it’s so they could operate their business per whatever government imposed protocols exist. Most people I’ve worked with are unfamiliar with the Judge Rotenberg Center…some don’t even know who Lovaas is. Most of the industry is populated with kids (young,20-mid 30s). It’s not that they don’t care..whenever I bring it up people are saddened that these things happened. Nobody’s denying it. As for Lovaas’ descendants..I don’t know, write them a letter. That should have nothing do with helping helping kids TODAY though.
              Quackery will exist in every industry..that’s the nature of business. It’s up to everybody (professionals, parents, etc.) to hold the ABA industry to a higher standard. I’m just pointing out that taking an ALL or NOTHING stance to ABA like many neurodiversity advocates do paints a very skewed picture that does not accurately portray the tremendous benefit that much of this therapy has brought about in children’s lives.

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              1. That most people working in ABA do not know about the Judge Rotenberg Center and many do not know the history of the industry is a big problem and explains a lot. It explains why many ABA defenders seem so befuddled by the criticism. Most autistics I have communicated with about ABA are aware of the Judge Rotenberg Center and Lovass.

                The lack of awareness strongly suggests that the training of people giving out ABA therapies is bad and that does not reflect well on the industry as a whole.

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              2. Meant to reply to this portion of the conversation Aspie, don’t know why it put it up there:

                Maybe they do need more training/knowledge. I concur. But it doesn’t negate the benefit that proper ABA brings. Many people in many fields don’t know the history of their professional fields.
                The bottom line is that ABA is a lifesaving process for many children on the Spectrum, regardless if it has its imperfections. Like any field, it will hopefully continue to work out its imperfections towards progress.

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  118. I’m pretty sure I disagree with the author. I am a Mom of two boys with autism and one boy’s autistic stim is to pee his pants because he loves the feeling of the warm running down his leg. Is it selfish of the Nuro-typical world to want to sit on an airplane seat that has never been drench in urine or the bench at a booth in a restaurant before? No, I don’t think so. My other son has constant loud verbal stims, is it selfish that his Dad and I want to have a couple of hours of peace? Or when we take him out to the same restaurant that our neighbors don’t have to listen to him for the next 40 minutes of their lives? Again, I don’t think so. Does it hurt any one that each of my teenage sons finger flick, no, and I could careless about that stim. They can do that all they want! ABA is a therapy in which parents and caregivers learn the best way to not give in to what we “think” is “just” part of the autism but is in reality an excuse. Autism has a lot of special needs, but don’t let people with Autism trick you into to believeing that ALL behavior autistic behavior. They are fallen humans too and have bad behaviors that need to be corrected. My oldest son use to tap his chin as a verbal stim…. seems harmless, yes? But it was starting to deform his chin. So what you think is harmlesss—-all I can say, is make sure it is. All things seem harmless until it becomes a crazy obession and starts interfering with your life. I don’t think most parents want to knock the autism out of their kids life and want them to “act” “normal”. I think they want the thing that makes life difficult for their kids to be “knocked out of their lives”. They want the “disadvantages” worked out as much as possible.

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    1. Jennifer O’Neal – I’d love the opportunity to speak with you about some of the frustrating stims you described and the related behaviors. I have learned so much in the past 4 years or so that allows me to see some of these things differently. I’d love to help your sons improve their emotional regulation, develop more reliable movement, and possibly be able to tell you why they do those things. If you are interested, Google Optimal Rhythms/ACCESS Academy and reach out to us.

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  119. I agree with a lot of this. My daughter is 3 and rather than explaining things to her which she would understand and then things would make sense to her they don’t explain anything- they just prompt her to look at pictures and make her point at what they want her to. She doesn’t understand what they are really wanting. However I have to say that amythest is a very bitter and unkind person. I commented on one of her YouTube videos and she responded in a very rude and very unkind comment to me. I have no respect for her. You would think she would have more understanding of parent concerns.

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    1. Hi Libbie. Have you tried expressing your concern to the therapists and supervisors? While it is true that many of them like to act as if they’re complete experts, I’m certain that they would be receptive to hearing your input. I can’t say with certainty unless I see it for myself, but I can say that, early on, it’s important to at least establish a means by which she can communicate with the environment around her. Pictures are usually an ideal way to do this, as they can better associate concepts with visual representations, even if it doesn’t seem like they understand the concepts at this point. At some point, you would build off of that, such as by pairing concepts with the pictures ( Ex: Green light: Look both ways and cross/ Red Light: Stop and wait). You definitely want her to understand the concepts at some point, and if the data suggests over time that she is merely scripting or responding to prompts and cannot generalize these ideas to other scenarios, then the approach would be changed. Unfortunately, that’s a good portion of this field, Trial and Error. They should find an approach that is uniquely tailored to her strengths and abilities.

      As for Amethyst, yes I concur. She has made some very enlightening videos but when it comes to her “Social Justice Warrior” stance, it is very close-minded. I’ve noticed she’s deleted not only mine, but countless comments from behaviorists over time on her Youtube channel rather than allowing an open dialog of debate.

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  120. Kids on the spectrum will never get an appropriate education in places like this that’s for sure. The response underneath this article speaks volumes! ABA centers and most schools will never understand how to teach or respect communication.

    From the Boston Globe:

    School expands on mission to aid autistic children

    When a particular student acts up, Amy Giles sometimes places the girl in a tiny, windowless room and closes the door. Then Giles stands outside the closet-like chamber, waiting patiently until the child settles down.

    If it were another child, it might seem cruel. But Giles, a Westborough resident, is probably that student’s best chance for a quality education. Giles teaches at the New England Center for Children on Route 9 in Southborough, a school that is at the forefront of educating children with autism, a neurological disorder that dramatically inhibits the way a child learns.

    “We don’t want to be the biggest program for autism,” said Judy Cunniff Serio, director of administration. “We want to be the best.”

    So when Giles sends her student into that tiny room, it isn’t punishment. It’s a treatment called “removal for reinforcement” for a girl with autism who exploded because it was time to move from one lesson to the next. Without the serenity of the room, Giles’s student might never regain the focus she needs to continue a day of learning.

    “She has a little difficulty with transitions,” Giles said, not without compassion.

    “There are a few upsetting things about this article. First is that this school seems to think it’s ok to place children with autism in isolation rooms, because after all, they’re autistic. They can’t be expected to be treated with the same dignity and understanding as “neurotypical” or even other nondisabled children, because they’re “autistic” (sarcasm fully intended).

    For the record, “autistics” aren’t the problem; it’s individuals who don’t know how to communicate with them that’s a problem – either unintentionally or deliberately – and that’s understanding that a child with autism may react with aggression when met with aggression. It’s because the people who worked with this little girl refuse to learn how to speak “her language” [credit to Amanda Baggs, a “nonverbal” adult with autism] that this little girl is punished for behaviors directly related to her disorder, which, by the way, is illegal.

    Next, how is “isolation” therapeutic in this incidence? The little girl in question has been identified as having difficulty with transitions, as do many idividuals with autism. As a person with autism, she also has difficulty communicating in a way that “neurotypicals” understand, and so uses “behaviors” to communicate. If they know she has “a little trouble with transitions” and communicates the feeling of discomfort, unreadiness, or unpreparedness by “acting out,” why aren’t they using that knowledge to develop a “functional behavior assessment” to determine what “positive behavioral interventions” and techniques could be used to ease her into transitions, such as the use of a timer or countdowns, frequent verbal reminders, a pictorial schedule which she personally can use (PECS, etc.) or other techniques that are proven to be effective in addressing transition issues, and provide her with alternatives to communicating her needs, such as how to say she isn’t ready to “transition,” or maybe she just needs more time to process what was asked of her, rather than adult, teacher-enforced isolation, which research does not prove to be as effective as positive behavioral interventions, interventions which are to be used in accordance with IDEA law?

    Using isolation is not going to address two of her core deficits: a problem with changes in routine and communication. How is she ever going to be a productive member of society if she’s not given the “tools” or “skills” to become better adapted to change? No, let’s just treat her like a common criminal and lock her up in this tiny room until SHE calms down.

    Putting her in this room may only be reinforcing the very behaviors they wish to “extinguish.” Maybe she’s come to associate transitions with isolation, and so communicates her fears the only way she knows how, by exhibiting “behaviors” relating to the natural “fight or flight” instinct, or maybe she’s communicating by exhibiting “behaviors” to “explain” that she’s not appropriately prepared for a change in routine at that time, but maybe would be with appropriate preparation; instead, they “treat” her “behaviors,” her attempts at “communication,” with isolation. They’ve said it themselves, “removal for reinforcement.” They are using isolation to “reinforce” negative behaviors instead of “reinforcing” and “rewarding” positive behaviors. This child is destined for failure under this plan.

    I’m tired of children and adults with autism being blamed for their “behaviors.” Those “behaviors” are their way of communicating with us. Are they always appropriate? NO. Can we always figure out what they’re trying to communicate? NO. Can we give them tools and skills and other methods to communicate more effectively? YES!!! But we “neurotypicals” who work with children with autism also need to take ownership of OUR OWN ACTIONS and yes, even OUR INABILITY to understand what they’re trying to say, THEN we will see change for the better. It’s time to stop “passing the buck” for OUR inadequacies and blaming individuals with autism.

    Sorry, but if this school wants to be the “best,” they need to try harder and stop punishing kids with autism by putting them into seclusion. Sounds like they’re doing a lot of things right, but they also have a ways to go.
    Posted by FamiliesAgainstRestraintandSeclusion at 10:57 PM
    Labels: Commentaries and Opinions”

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    1. New England Center For Children’s Glassdoor employee reviews speak volumes about how horrible they are there. Even many of their employees can’t stand the place from what I read. I feel sorry for the kids and the lazy, brainwashed parents who send them there thinking this is some wonderful place when it’s all about marketing to the idiotic parents and donors.

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  121. This is the most ignorant post ever. I had to stop reading. ABA is a great way to help not only autistic children but childrreb with Down syndrome or behavior problems etc. If you have the right therapist who understands ABA and actually knows what they are doing, it’s a wonderful experience. I just want to address one thing I read, children are not forced to do anything. The goal is to have that child want to participate in reaching they’re goals, that’s why we offer reinforcers and breaks. Now when running a trial you want to give him or her a break if you sense they are becoming agitated or are beginning to tantrum etc. If it’s too late and they are being non compliant and refusing to complete the task, you do not let them escape that is true, instead you wait for them to calm down and ask for a small task to be completed something easy that they are capable of doing. As soon as they complete it, you give them a break. The lady that wrote this blog obviously don’t truly understand aba

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    1. As a parent with an autistic child age now 17… I still wouldn’t do it no matter the information given to me. I can tell you and tons of other parents that my son now has improved so much in his behaviour – only today he apologised to me for his behaviour/severe tantrums when younger and I said to him “nobody is perfect”. Bless him, he recognises it was hard for me but he couldn’t help it, he couldn’t express himself. Couldn’t explain the tantrums were because the food made him feel sick looking at it, the smell makes him sick. No compliant training will ever help their sensory problems. We have even done skin brushing to try speed up the nervous receptors to his brain to improve the sensory stimulus through an occupational therapist at the hospital. It did not help. His CBT Therapist at CAMHS has said that he will have the sensory problems his whole life. Argue with that one!!! So parents, hang in there… maturity helps an awful lot. Don’t push… knowing what I know now I would never ever have tried to force him to eat the food ‘we eat’… I wish I could turn the clock back from causing him unnecessary suffering and anguish. Life is hard enough for them. I promise things do get better… there will always be challenges but you can figure them out together when they express themselves better.

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      1. Through proper training he would of been able to express himself and minimize his tantrums causing him having to tell you sorry less. One point of aba is to help the child help us to understand his or her wants and being able to tell us what they want through pecs or other trainings he or she wouldn’t feel the need to tantrum. Most tantrums come from feeling frustatated from not being able to tell us what’s going on, give them they’re voice you take away they’re tantrums.

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        1. He did not say sorry at that age… he did not have the capability to know what was going on why he was acting that way. He only can say it now age nearly 18. Say what you will… I think it’s a load of nonsense and I hope parents listen to the parents of the children with autism.

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          1. First off, I empathize with your mixed feelings you have with regards to how you think you treated him with regards to training him to “comply” with certain norms. I’m sure it was very hard on you. Perhaps certain aspects of his training were pointless, such as eye contact or other issues that were merely attempts to get him to look as neuroytpical as possible.
            However, trying to instill proper diet habits so he won’t die from diabetes by the age of 25 was NOT pointless. This is essentially why the whole anti-ABA argument falls apart. You weren’t doing this to appease yourself (or at least I hope not). You were doing this because it would cause more severe problems for him later in life if he didn’t master certain abilities of safety, health, and independence. Other skills, such as learning to communicate more effectively with his environment rather than reaching the point of a meltdown, were NOT useless. I implore you to not be guilt-tripped by the opinions of CERTAIN members in the Autism Advocacy community which, although intending the best and being valid on a few points, don’t seem to understand the ugly and, often times, dangerous consequences that occur as a result of a lack of training. These people often times don’t comprehend or just choose to ignore them so they could continue feeling sorry for themselves, as if expecting Autistic individuals to put in effort within a reasonable sense is a form of persecution, rather than hope for the goal that as many neuro-atypical people will be as healthy, happy, and independent as possible. They never have any valid argument against teaching autistic children important skills, such as safety. In fact, perhaps your son’s cognizance on this issue and his apology could have been a result of the training that you made him particate in..have you ever considered that? He may not have picked up the necessary skills of communication to voice that to you, in whichever voice he wished to communicate it in.
            And for the record, whichever CBT therapist told you that your son would always be wired to not tolerate healthy food was misinformed. The brain is maleable, in both neurotypical and neuro-atypical individuals. One notable example of this is how blind people develop more pathways in the auditory sections of their brain. I’ve seen a plethora of autistic inviduals who, with years of training, went from only eating carb heavy foods to indulging in a balanced diet. Although I’m sure they still prefer to eat chocolate, but then again, so do I!

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            1. First of all ABA he had no TRAINING of ABA. We never did this programme. I have to say you condemn his CBT therapist but what she actually said was the reason he will struggle with food for the rest of his life is because it is linked to his ASD which makes it very difficult to overcome. Anyone with phobias finds their ‘fears’ difficult to overcome whether the brain is malleable or not. He is with me now and he has read your comment. His response to you is “people are on different sides of the spectrum, it’s not the same, you will have someone different in every scenario. Furthermore this training may have helped some autistic people who are less aware of their surroundings and feelings – and can do this training whereas someone like him who is more aware of what is going on could find it more overwhelming. It is a unique situation.” He said he loves eating the same meal rather than eating other foods he can eat, because he likes the similarity of it. Autistic people like repetition. With regards diabetes well it is what it is… at least he will never drink alcohol or smoke so chances are someone will get something in their lifetime, even myself who eats a good diet. With regards communication he prefers to be alone. Your therapy is unethical if it does not work you are putting that kid though hell for no reason. Which is evident in why this thread exists. Argue with that… you heard it from a nearly 18 year old with Autism.

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              1. So your whole “argument” is predicated on “well, at least smoking won’t kill him?”
                Nevermind the million other behaviors that could lead to an early death or a life of institutionalization….How is trying to ensure that doesn’t happen constitute as no reason to have therapy?
                If your child turned out “fine,” well then good for you. I’ve worked with young adults who will punch their mother if the TV channel is changed on accident, with very little responsibility placed on them to begin with (so don’t try to counter with the “they have too many responsibilities argument, they’re overwhelmed).
                This thread exists because someone had an opinion and wished to discuss it. Doesn’t make his opinion right just for existing. Same goes for your son. I wish him the best.

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              2. DeusFNL. Trust me I have been the target of aggression growing up badly. Do you live with this or just train people because we are the people who know because we go through it EVERY DAY mine 18 years as a single parent. I just think I won’t push him to his limits because it backfires and as it happens i have learnt to accept his ways. Never been on a aeroplane and he never will leave the country but i still wouldn’t partake in this therapy… i rearrange my life around his. I think you are entitled to your views as i am mine. It feels rather ‘cult’ like type therapy to me.. but if a parent is informed and wants to do it, then all the best to them . I am just trying to tell parents, there are other ways, modify the diet to prevent tics (magnesium), add alternative therapies if you can…. use Epsom salts to remove the sulphur from the body… try removing casein and gluten… try occupational therapy… etc… but if they want to choose this therapy and it works for them, then who am i to criticise them, but it is not for us personally. Please don’t write back as i won’t respond and we will never agree, so we will agree to disagree on our view points.

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              3. I have to respond out of a civic duty to spread facts, not misinformation, but you’re welcome to ignore it.
                That BS “sulfur detox” or w.e. else you supposedly tried and believe it works is not based on any facts. Deal with facts, not feelings.
                Your decision (and it is entirely your decision) to not provide him with training and “make your life” bend to his every whim is your prerogative. For the record, a good ABA therapist works with the parents as well, so it can actually be strenuous for the entire family, but it provides for longer-term solutions. But again, it’s every parent’s choice. But don’t you dare spread misinformation that could dissuade other emotionally distraught families from seeking these services.

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    2. It is not ignorent, the person who wrote was a former ABA therapist. I have read a number of similar blogs by ex ABA therapists and technicians, and “clients” saying similar things.

      You showed your ignorance when you used the word “tantrum”. A tantrum is a deliberate attempt to manipulate. Autistics tend not to be good manipulators because you need to understand what makes the other person tick and a core trait of autism is impairments in this area. An autistic meltdown which looks like a tantrum is roughly equivalent to overloading a machine with too much electricity. Autistic meltdowns are often caused by sensory overload or poor ability to deal with change. Sensory overload could be caused by the florecent lighting in the room, bieng touched, noise that most other people would not be bothered by or even hear, the feel of the toy. But when all that matters is the “correct” behavoir eliminating the why is not the priority.

      The kid is not a criminal that needs to be “compliant” to the wishes of the guards.

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      1. Dear AspiepAutistic1957.. This is the best comment I have ever read on this post. I applaud you! That is exactly it! Thank you! You explained it beautifully.

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      2. I agree with you to a certain extent Aspie. You are correct in your description of what a metldown is.
        However, that is precisely why it is important that they participate in training to comply with the world around them, especially as it pertains to issues of safety and independence, just like neurotypical people need to do as well. I would hope that you could understand that having a meltdown whenever somebody sees a red traffic light would ensure a dangerous situation, or a life being confined to a room. That is why measured training that begins with, for example, tolerating pictures of red traffic lights is important.
        Unless you’re assuming that the “wishes of the guards” entail that the autistic individual learn to be as safe and independent as possible within their neurological constraints, then yes, I will wholeheartedly agree with that as well: As an on-and-off employed ABA therapist, my whole goal is to get them to comply with my wishes. I want them to “comply” with leading the happiest lives possible.

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        1. Dear DeusFNL.. Complying with your wishes and happiest life is not necessarily the same thing. The way one matures, learn who they are a person, learn what works for them, and what does not work for them, in other words to become as independent as possible is to let them be as independent as possible. Sometimes that involves letting them make decisions that cause pain and hurt feelings. Putting a person in a 25 to 40 a week compliance program does not make them independent, it teaches them in order to get rewards I have to please others and thus making them vulnerable to manipulation.

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          1. Yes. To get rewards, we ALL have rules we need to comply by.
            Sometimes, those “rewards” are not being killed by a car because we developed the tolerance to certain stimuli and not run out into the street. Or being able to actually care for ourselves to as much of a degree of independence as biology will allow. OR not attacking people because no one could figure out what sent us into an overload of frustration because we had no effective means to communicate our desires aside from behaviors that no one could deciper.
            If that means beginning with 25 to 40 hours of training a week, then so be it (although I advocate for as least intrusive of a method as possible, simply so they don’t over rely on therapists and prompting). The whole goal is to get them to a realistic goal where they won’t need that, or need as much of it at least.
            I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say Aspie.
            What is the alternative?
            No training?
            Floortime?
            Hoping each kid develops independently through maturation?

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            1. Dear DeusFNL: Not all that different from what you wrote. Parents and society in general are making kids overelient and ABA is just a symptom of this. Everybody is different but I benefited from what was then normal child rearing but what is now called free range parenting. It was understood people are different and mature differently. You do not let a 2 year old walk in the street alone but you should let him or her mature on thier own as much as possible.

              I would prioritize treating and preventing the causes instead of ABA which is geared towerd fixing symptoms. The problem is often the non autistic does not understand what the autistic is trying to communicate. It would be nice if more autistic people were involved in these treatments. A person who has a lived all thier life with the condition might just have a better idea what another autistic is trying to say.

              I converse with other autistic people online all the time. A common issue is the person learns to comply or what we call “pass” reasonably well. They do ok, others at most think they are a little different. After time from not bieng themselves, they get a whole bunch of mental illnesses and burn out.

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            2. THIS IS A RESPONSE TO DEUSFNL I can’t see to get my reply to the right comment, it won’t let me.

              I feel only fair to respond that you are misinformed. You wrote :

              DeusFNLOctober 1, 2017 at 5:02 pm

              I have to respond out of a civic duty to spread facts, not misinformation, but you’re welcome to ignore it. That BS “sulfur detox” or we. else you supposedly tried and believe it works is not based on any facts. Deal with facts, not feelings.

              THIS IS ACTUALLY A FACTUAL COMMENT. This was a scientific study from Dr Rosemary Waring in School of Biosciences in University of Birmingham, United Kingdom. Just Google her name. It was proven the sulphur connection in people with autism and it is not based on my feeelings. As well as that Paul Shattock OBE university of sunderland recommends removing casein and gluten from the diet. You can google him too, he has done masses of research into autism. Just did not feel it fair that you dismiss Epsom salts baths as having no factual basis to help people with autism and toxins and have to correct you on that.

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              1. Please post a link to the study, with facts and stats. I don’t believe you.
                I think what you’re saying, that changes in diet “improves” autistic symptoms, is very dangerous and harmful to the Autistic community.

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              2. If it helps reduce a meltdown.. nothing wrong with that… why don’t you go argue with a scientist. You are actually quite nutty – and why we all rise to the bait is silly on our parts. No more. You’re on your own. Argue with the wall I don’t care!!!

                You know who is the real danger to the autistic community…. YOU!!!

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              3. Still waiting on that link…why don’t you back up what you claim?
                Opinions like yours, that are disseminated as if they were facts, are harmful because it opens the floodgates for other unproven methods to be viewed as fact based on hearsay. What you’re describing, removing sulfur from the body via a diet, is a stone’s throw away from methods such as chelation, which are literally dangerous: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/autism-spectrum-disorder/expert-answers/autism-treatment/faq-20057933

                Even most Neurodiversity Advocacy groups (with whom I don’t necessarily agree with on everything) are against chelation and other “pseudo-theories” that propose curing symptoms of Autism through some kind of detox.

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              4. Still waiting on that link…why don’t you back up what you claim?
                Opinions like yours, that are disseminated as if they were facts, are harmful because it opens the floodgates for other unproven methods to be viewed as fact based on hearsay. What you’re describing, removing sulfur from the body via a diet, is a stone’s throw away from methods such as chelation, which are literally dangerous:

                MY REPLY: I already told you two names who are scientists you can find on google easily. I am not doing the work for you. Dr Rosemary Waring with regards epsom salts at Birmingham University school of biosciences and Paul Shattock OBE University of Sunderland… on casein and gluten in the united kingdom.
                Do you have an OBE for extensive research by honor of the Queen of England?!
                I didn’t think so.(!) .. Just go away you are pathetic – you would argue with a BRICK!
                THIS is my LAST reply to you EVER.

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  122. I have finished a bachelors degree in Psychology and was looking to get my Master’s degree in ABA. This post along with many other thoughts have made me reconsider this idea. I have worked with individuals with disabilities for years and would love to continue to pursue my education and passion. I am unsure which path I should take now. What degree would ultimately allow me to help and support this community? Would a counselor be a better position??

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    1. DOnt let these post discourage you. Aba is wonderful. I was a teacher and I quit because of ABA. Let me tell you…when you see a parent cry as they tell you they’re child was a happy baby and learning how to say mama and then one day woke up and stop talking stop everythinh…and then see them cry from tears of joy because now they’re child is more interactive, can potty independtly, show you affection, give you the eye contact they use to not be able to..respond to they’re name..will try new foods….will let you cut they’re hair without a tantrum …it’s so heart harming..all everyone on here is telling you negative things..but I’m a RBT so Im the one implementing plans..talking to parents ..spending hours with that child…telling the BCBA if a current goal isn’t working for them. Trust me…ABA is beautiful…it’s not about harming a child or trying to brain wash them etc..it’s about helping that child better express what they want..help them socialize better..we all learn different…and ABA specialize in finding which way helps that child and then going forward with it..also ABA is not something that’s forvever ..all we want is to help the parent and the child get to the point where we are no longer needed…I’ve left companies and had parents follow me to whatever company I witch to. I have parents who kids I helped 2 years ago still text me or send me updates of they’re child’s improvement. I had one parent ..who wanted only what was best for the child..who thought shock treatment and things like that was horrible who couldn’t believe parents would put they’re child on a glutton free diet because they was told it helps..which it don’t..And if she felt anyway what we were doing was wrong she would took her child out of aba immediately!! This lady cried because a peditriction told her “children with autism can not show affection” which is a lie…a few months later he was hugging her kissing her ..where he once would not sit in the same area as another child and play ..he was doing so…and it made me feel wonderful to see how happy she was..how happy he was…he wasent traumatized ..he use to love to see me come thru the door at his school…at home..wherever our session was that day..I had another kid who thru terrible tantrums..couldn’t say a lot of words ..wouldn’t write..screamed and was very violent..with the proper training and understanding that child and not getting frustrated or trying to restrain him..we got to the point where as soon as I walked to the doer he would say “I’m ready” grab my hand and go into the area we worked in and after a while of working on him saying “break please” imsteD of tantruming or running away he would say break please. The mom couldn’t get him to take a picture and smile now he takes pictures and smile. ive had moms and dads text or call try to bring me gifts because they was just astonished at they’re child growth. And my children loved me..they wasent traumatized or ran when they seen me..aba isn’t some horrible therapy..we want our kids to want to participate we want our kids to enjoy working on becoming more independent and understanding what behaviors are correct and what behaviors are inappropriate. We build a repor with our kids we play with them understand what they like to do what they don’t like to do..and we praise them ..we don’t fforce or restrain children. We do not know what it’s like to be autistic and we understand a lot of things can be overwelminh so we don’t push..we praise we help we give breaks before tantruming begin and if it’s too late we give simple task something they already can do so that they can have they’re breaks that way they know hey screaming isn’t going to get me out of this..some days they have bad days..so instead of trying to make them work when they have already had a ruff day..u play with them..laugh ..if u can throw a simple trial in there great..but everyday won’t be a good day..and believe it or not we not only teach these children but they can teach us ..i still check on past clients.. we even offer parent training ..so we can all be on the same page…u can read these blogs and comments but until u actually met with a parent see how hard it is for them..meet that wonderful child and see the good you can do..you’ll never understand. It has nothing to do with inhumanizing or being “dumb” a lot of autistic children are very smart and like I said ABA isn’t just for the autistic ..I’ve worked with children with down sydrom..children who had disruptive behavior problems ..I love my profession ..i love all my clients from the past and now..and nothing makes me happier then a parent who was once feeing lost and sad and not knowing if they would ever be able to communicate or know if they child understood or could function in every day activities ..to them being ecstatic because they baby girl or boy instead of crying or throwing things could point to a pic instead and tel u what they want..or sign to u what’s going on..or sit still and take a picture smiling..I just hope parents will just give it a chance and not go off what you read. One more example one of my old clients would eat nothing but gummies and apples and these little Spanish buns”he’s Venezuelan” and now he eats a few more items..he can sign what he want..and he uses pecs to let you know he has to potty..Im telling you it’s beautiful man…his dad use to be so sad cause he wouldn’t let his hair be cut..and yea there are clippers for autistic children but the point is to be able to transition them into not being dependent on things like that..and guess what..now he sits and gets his hair cut..no problem..we don’t force anything …we not plan to be in a child’s life forever ..are goal is to get to where we are no longer needed. So again please don’t let these ppl discourage you. If you truly love children and want to help ..councling isn’t the way to go..work one on one..get to know these wonderful kids..understand them..help them and the parents..I promise it’s no better feeling. Lol all this talk ..makes me wanna check on my little ducklings…i haven’t did aba in almost a year due to moving and helping with my granpa..but he passed and now I’m about to get back into it..I’ve had over 10 of some of the best companies ask me to work for them from my resume and speaking with me..no interview required ..just don’t judge aba so quickly ..just understand you have to want this..and you have to have the passion for it..it won’t always be easy…but it’s worth it. Now do I sound like a horrible aba therapist ? Would someone so horrible have parents from years ago still contraction them ..parents wanting to follow wherever company I go to..when Use to enter my sessions my kids would light up to see me..and be sad when I left..maybe some parent have had bad ABA therapist ..but we are all not like that..you’ve had rude waitresses rude police rude teachers…but it’s a lot of us that care and 1 bad appl don’t make up for all of us. That is it. I don’t wanna argue..I just don’t like how aba is being portrayed . And I saw a comment about how we act happy…it’s not acting..the last thing we want is are kids to not wanna participate in therapy..why would we act angry? And the enthusiasm we show is really heartfelt ..but unless you’ve been doing this for years..going to schools homes incenters..outtings..listening to parents stories..trying to help these wonderful kids..you truly wouldn’t understand. I’ve been in plays with my clients to help..I’ve had to geton a seesaw…get in the pool even though o hate public pools..get drawn on.ran away from bugs.lol whatever helped with building that repor and trust I’m 100 for it. So it depends …on you. Not what these ppl write

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      1. You sound like a moron who needs to learn proper grammar and how to spell. Sadly you are teaching kids? And if ABA is so wonderful why did you leave? Did the ABA company realize that you appear to have the IQ of a fly?

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        1. OH Ima sorry i didn’t know you worked for “auto correct” or that I was in a English class, who cares how I choose to write on here. It’s a Fucking blog not a college essay. And I left because my granpa got sick and I went back to my hometown to help with him, if you must know. And now he has pass and I plan on GOING BACK TO ABA.

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      2. Dear ABA: You said “We do not know what it is like to be autistic” yet you refuse to listen to the many commentators who do know. You keep on telling those of us that have a lifetime of experience with bieng autistic that you know better then us. You said all your children love you. This sounds delusional because that is not how life works. The best therapy practiced by the best therapist is going to be counterproductive for some people.

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        1. Ok well since everything I’m saying is being nickpicked. Let me rephrase, every child I have worked with showed signs of happiness when I came over to have a session with them. Ofcourse there was tantrums and crying sometimes but the overran sense was joy. Your delusional if you don’t think that can happen. As a past teacher, sometimes my children would misbehave or cry or hit etc..but overall I made kindergarten fun and educational and my kids enjoyed my class and enjoyed coming. I see you guys just want people to hate aba because you all don’t like it. It’s pathetic and sad. I’m done with this hopeless blog.

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          1. Dear Shans: Even though I strenuously disagree with her about ABA that type attack is uncalled for. I have fine motor skill deficits and have made more than my share of typos late at night or when typing while emotional. I criticize her opinions and her specific responses. “Moron” is an attack on the person as a whole.

            Dear ABA: If you are going to work with autistic people you need to deal with “nitpicking”. We are wired to be exacting in the subjects that interest us. You are picking up and leaving. That is your choice but who is “tantruming” now?

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            1. I’m not tantruming at all. I’m more so frustrated, like first Im on my iPhone and when I wrote that long paragraph I didn’t proofread it first, this isn’t a English class, I wrote like I was texting, and ofcourse I had misspelled words and no periods where some should have been. Ok so what we are just talking, but instead of reading and trying to understand what I’m saying you guys are worried about my grammer. And this blog is making me sad because I just want people to understand ABA isn’t as horrible as people are making it out to be. It’s sad. And I just give up, you guys can have it

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              1. I’m more worried about your really poor ability to express yourself Aba and it has nothing to do with your iPhone. It must be very confusing for the kids.

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              2. Aba says, “I pray for the children who have to deal with idiotic parents like you guys” all because many question ABA and the quality that is received. This coming from some 23 year old who has no idea how to parent or how to parent severely autistic individuals for 20 plus years many of whom have associated medical conditions. Go crawl back under your rock Aba… you give Applied Behavior Analysis a bad name. And clean up your language. It makes you come across even more ignorant. In conclusion, in taking a page from you….I pray for the children who have to deal with idiotic therapists like you. How’s that for a reality check you sniffling brat?

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            2. Aba is claiming to be a teacher. It’s not just her spelling but her thought process is all over the place. I am glad she never taught my child! Too many who claim to be ABA therapists are really poorly suited to teach at all from what I have found however some money hungry ABA center will hire anyone so she’s in luck.

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              1. And I bet your some sad fat stay at home mother, and your husband has been lost interest in you. So you troll blogs, feeling self-righteous behind a keyboard and talk out of your ass. I bet you even use your child as and excuse of why you have no friends or a life of your own. Stop hiding behind him or her and just come to terms with yourself that your lonely and have no friends and if it wasent for your child or the internet, you would just be wasting away. I bet your so unpleasant to be around. I’m more sorry your child has an ignorant mother with way to much time on her hands. How’s that for grammer ?

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              2. Yea I know, because it was cool for me to be insulted, even when I ignored it. (And I’m not talking about the austic people who said rude things, )I’m speaking about the grown ups who are older then me, who can’t have an adult conversation. The whole point of me even commenting was just to tell you guys of my experience with aba, and that you shouldn’t be so fast to cast it out like it’s some evil torture(as some has called it in this blog) and once I saw that you guys did not want to understand or see the positive only the negative I politely said I was done speaking on this. But instead I’m disrespected by once again a grown woman who should know better, but it’s ok it’s cool right ? So now that I stoped to her ignorance to see how she likes it, I’m wrong? You all have serious issues. Like..whatever man . I pray for the children who has to deal with idiotic parents like you guys. And for the record I’m 23, so pardon me if I still use slang when I’m not being professional, or I don’t look over my words. So Fucking what, when your home do you still act like your on the job or do u relax? My dads a doctor and once he gets home, he cuss, laugh, use sling, does that not make him a professional? Like y’all are just fucking rediculous. You want to throw stones but you honestly can’t. I’m sure I could out debate, out speak, pass test way faster then you assholes. And again to the autistic children who chose to respond to my paragraphs, even if words like “moron” was unnessicary, I still respect what you have to say, but for you old ass adults . Shame
                On your selfs..SHAME

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    2. Reach out to me at Optimal Rhythms/ACCESS Academy on FB to find out more about an alternative approach to ABA that I believe you will find much more rewarding and respectful of individuals on the spectrum with complex communication and regulation challenges.
      www dot optimalrhythms dot org

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  123. Be warned folks, Aba is proof positive as to what kind of people can make up the ABA industry. I notice she first writes a long post telling us how wonderful she is (does your arm hurt by patting yourself on the back so much Aba?), then she goes ballistic when someone expresses concern that her ramblings are difficult to follow and then she personally attacks someone for calling her out on that. Get a life and go get a job Aba. You’re the one who seems bored and distracted and a bit unbalanced.

    Parents, try RPM. Much better and more effective for communication than ABA.

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    1. I’m surrounded by idiotics. How I treat my children I work with has nothing to do with how I act or talk over the Internet anonymously to assholes like yourselfs. I didn’t ask for a pat on the back , i said it before and this is my last time repeating , i just wanted parents to not see only theNEGATIVR that y’all seem
      To love to dish out and decide on not trying aba because of it. Like most of y’all haven’t even been to school for AbA you only know what you read from forums and other internet sources. And old clients. Aba is changing every day to become a better experience. I didn’t ask for praise or to be told I’m a great therapist , i simply explained my experience .ONCE AGAIN MY EXPERIENCE. i didn’t get upset at all about none of the negative feedback I didn’t even mind about the papargrah statement about it being hard to read, I explained why, it may have been difficult to read and I WAS STILL ATTACKED . Was told I was wrong, as if that person was sitting next to me as I wrote, and again this isn’t even about grammer, this is not English class so who cares? I was also told I couldn’t of been a teacher and a lot more ignorant shit. But again I didn’t get upset I saw it was pointless and tried to dismiss myself. I didn’t do anything wrong here. Y’all are just assholes. Ignorant , one way thinking assholes. My dad text slang to me all the time . Are you going to tell him his bachelors degree his Masters degree nd his doctoral degree is fake and he’s not a doctor ? Like are you not reading the comments are you? Your just talking out your ass right ? It’s like I’m talking to fucking brick walls. OOPS I SAID FUCK I GUESS IM A HORRIBLE PERSON NOW. Fuck off. If you ask me y’all are bully’s and ignorant, and so small minded you can’t see the bigger picture. It’s pathetic and sad. And with that said, I will no longer entertain the ignorance. Remember assholes never prosper and that’s probably why yall marriages are failing and y’all are just fat angry self loathing mothers who use they’re kids as safety nets. The ignorance y’all portray, is the reason why y’all bag our grocieres ..wash our cars..make our Mcdonalds orders..Im 23 Im sure y’all are 2 times my age. Wtf where u doing at 23? Did u graduate at 18? Go to college ? Become a teacher by 21? A aba
      Therapist by 23? Y’all probably wasent doing shit with your lives but being cunts. So again I’ll use slang I’ll misspell words I’ll talk how I want on a blog..Im young and smarter then most of u that’s talking shit to me. Ugh. I’m over this. Carry on your just blind leading the blind.

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      1. How dare you continually speak of parents and their marriages. At 23 years old you have no idea what it takes to be a parent of a severely autistic child for many, many years, what goes into a marriage and what life is even about. BTW you 23 POS, many marriages are just fine in the autism world so you can stop speaking of things you have no clue about. You sound like a pompous kid who is spoiled and clearly has had everything handed to her. Here’s a tip, get out of the industry and into a shrink. You are an angry, vile child. Don’t work with kids and make their issues worse.

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      2. You sound like a self entitled spoiled brat Aba. Maybe your doctor dad can pay for some therapy for YOU. 23 years old and you think you are perfect. LOL. You are what’s wrong with ABA and reading your mess here you strike me as having no self control and little intelligence. Just a wonderful person to be working with autistic kids. NOT! Somehow I think you didn’t leave ABA but were fired from your job. No decent BCBA would allow a lowlife like you to be a therapist under his or her supervision. And yes, I know ABA you brat, I am a BCBA and have met many scumbags like you in the industry. Go get a job at the local supermarket. Sounds like it’s better suited for you.

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        1. All y’all can fuck off. Everything I say you make something out of it. I’m 23 now I’m a child..ok my dad a doctor ..now I’m spoiled…y’all are dumb as fuck .. and Eric if u were a BCBA you would know that you leave your problems at the door. Once u step into a home of a child or center or school that child becomes your focus. And asshole if I was so terrible I would t have company’s lining up to have me become part of their team. I wouldn’t haven’t parents wanting to leave and follow me to whatever center I choose. I wouldn’t have BCBAs and BCaBAs constantly telling me are trying to push me to go back to school to further my career and become a BCBA. Lol and whoever said marriages are fucked up because of autistic children. That could bring a family closer who knows. The comment I made was strictly for that woman that was being a asshole to me..but ofcourse I wasent attacked first attacked. And ofcourse it’s fine with GROWN ASS PEOPLE actin like children calling me names first. Y’all
          Are rediculous ..and pathetic. I bet if I told you I was mixed somehow you would also bring that into it. Smh . For old people y’all are some illeterate, mean, assholes. Who clearly forgot what the point of this whole post is An rather just sit behind a computer and talk shit to a “child” who just wanted readers to look more into aba before going off what you pricks are saying. Ugh Eric how bout I just pay u to cook my food for me. Jackass

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          1. If you were a good ABA therapist you wouldn’t spend so much time swearing and ranting on a blog talking non stop about how good you are. Seek help. You’re one f’d up, angry person.

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  124. I see so many kids go into really poor quality ABA or even better quality ABA for that matter, develop severe anxiety and then in turn the “professionals” recommend meds to deal with the anxiety! It is a vicious cycle that never seems to end well for the poor child.

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  125. As an HFA myself, i.e. the true “expert” in the field, you want to know the best way to help us?

    It’s simple: Let us be us. Let us come to you rather than the other way around. If you let us live our own lives the way we know how to live it, then not only will we survive, but – surprise! – we may even thrive.

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      1. Ironically enough, I never actually went through ABA. But I can imagine the horror stories associated with it. What does bother me, though, is that if you think about it, the “social rules” aspect seem to be completely arbitrary. Several other autistics (I use this term because it feels better to me from a syntax perspective) commented how they never understood why looking people in the eyes was considered respectful. If anything, it feels more invasive.

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        1. Yes and why is looking people directly in the eye important. I find it uncomfortable sometimes myself!
          There was a great programme on TV with the guy from springwatch Tv programme presenter Chris Packham (U.K.) called ‘Aspergers and me’ – you may be able to watch it online or on the BBC iplayer and he went to the states and watched this therapy in place and he himself thought it was very wicked. It was an excellent programme if you get a chance to watch I highly recommend it.

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  126. I understand your mentslistic perspective on ABA, most people who don’t truly understand the perspective from individuals with autism and other developmental disabilities usually think circularly like you do. Second, if you really want to gain an understanding of the population you were serving, maybe work with different individuals with various ability levels for longer than a year? There are many reason that compliance training occurs, and trust me, most of the time it’s far less invasive than getting a child of typical functioning to comply. It’s a prerequisite to all learning skills and of course there are complaints because if there weren’t, then it wouldn’t be compliance training now would it?My advice to you would be to ask real families what they struggle with when their children who have not had ‘compliance training’ and grow into adolescents or adults and are destructive, aggressive and elope in dangerous situations all as a means of communication- which you justified… maybe then you may at LEAST comprise an understanding of the true trials and issues of the families and individuals with varios abilities that you so freely seem to profess in…If you want people to respect your opinion and you want the population of people you’re advocating for to feel respected, then don’t define them by their disability- please! Use person first language! I have been in the field for 6 years working where you have,worked with kids who’s families are desperate for help because they have teenagers that constantly need to be hospitalized due to intense behaviors and am now sitting to become a BCBA so I CAN help. Trust me, you have not seen anything … you’ve just read through blogs that may or may not have been written by the individuals you fight for. Get your hands dirty and actually help!

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    1. You people make me so angry with your compliance training nonsense. My son was hell … v aggressive as you say… impossible to control … he’s now 18 and most of that has now gone… all because he matured and he controls it better… even though it’s not easy for him. He had no ABA. Sensory overload contributed to a lot of his outbursts and he stays in his room – i prewarn him if we are going to eat something that smells awful or if he has to go somewhere – ok it’s a little restrictive at times but I recognise he will have it for life and if certain smells and sounds make him freak who am I to do compliance training? If I went into a nail varnish shop and hate the smell I want to leave. Making me stay is not a permanent solution I’ll always hate it, always get a headache … if you walk in their shoes you would understand why they meltdown and why they have aggression – there is always a reason behind it often sensory, anxiety or even wanting their own way! It’s part of the condition you can’t change it!! Most people will learn this from their own child but I am not going to lie the younger years are tough but preserve it will improve. (Epsom salts a good calmer people!) You guys have zero respect from me and never will no matter what you spout as facts. We know we live with it 24:7 every day! 18 years so far!

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      1. Caroline, your statements are an insult to parents who struggle with their loved ones’ aggressive behaviors. Your beliefs that many children can just naturally “grow out of it” are so moronic that arguing against it almost seems pointless..as it is such a stupid statement. There are families I’ve worked with who had to eventually institutionalize their children because of threats to themselves and others, despite the heartache it caused them.
        In addition, I feel bad that you were such a terrible mother to your son. Not because you didn’t get him ABA services..more in the general sense of pandering to his disability. You put him at a disadvantageous position should, God forbid, something happen to you. Nobody would have forced you to make him look neurotypical or any BS like that. But you could have helped him to cope with more stimuli that may be unavoidable in his future.
        What are you going to leave on your will as instructions to his future caretaker? Oh, I forgot, you’ll just let them know to remove Epsom salts from his diet…
        Shame on you, and shame on anyone from the Neurodiversity movement who makes light of the REAL life and death struggles facing some of these families.

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        1. As per current understanding of autism as genetic or genetically suseptible to environmental triggers so autistics do not “grow out of it” . Some do mature. Temple Grandin was violent, John Elder Robison was violent, I was not violent but considered hopeless enough my school kicked me out after 2nd grade. Some people no matter what you do will need to be institutionalized. That is what diversity is. To tell parents that some seemingly intractable Autistics will naturally mature enough to be a contributing member of society is not insulting them but telling them the facts of life.

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          1. That is a fact: Some will not recover regardless of training. Here are some more facts: Proper ABA decreases the likelihood that Autistic individuals will engage in SIBs and other maladaptive behavior:

            Click to access McCorkleS-Decreasing-Self-Injurious-Behaviors-Children-ASD.pdf

            There are plenty of studies to corroborate this claim.
            Leaving it up to chance when there are CLEAR FACTS (based on actual studies) that training has improved their chances to recover is every parent’s prerogative. It’s sadly not a bullet-proof guarantee as every individual is different. But neither you nor other parents have the right to convince others that not intervening is the proper route to take, especially in the face of evidence that shows it can be effective.

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            1. Of course we have the right to criticize ABA, the question is should we.

              Since as far I know Autistic people have little or no input into what subjects are to be studied, how they are studied, and what is the optimal or positive outcome is, the issue of confirmation bias no matter how rigorous the research is, is a valid one.

              Also because the wide adaptation of ABA is relatively recent the research into ABA’s long term effects are sketchy.

              We can say individual complience training is varied, but the goal is still is to have clients comply to things and those things naturally going to largly be defined by what the vast majority and the people who are paying for want.

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              1. You’re free to do your own research. No one is stopping you. Come up with a better method and prove it yields better results. Set up operational definitions for what defines success.
                Criticizing would mean pointing out how to improve it constructively based on facts, which you are free to do. Claiming it’s not necessary because you’re not happy with it is just whining.
                Claiming that it’s confirmation bias and prejudice when you’re dealing with dangerous and irresponsible behaviors is just stupidity. Yes, people should comply with things that will make sure they stay alive and healthy. Happiness is not a measurement. It is subjective. An inability to take care of oneself is objective. Claiming that it’s the World’s fault everytime a certain color pops up and triggers an individual and that the world should change, not the individual’s ability to handle that trigger, is stupidity. Can you imagine an asinine World operating to fit every person like that? That is insane. Claiming that a person’s comfort should come before self-care and health is universally accepted as stupidity.

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              2. Asking for autistic input into research priorities is not the same as asking the world to give into every Autistic’s beg and whim. If the person is triggered by red lights you try to minimise exposing them to red lights while helping them with red lights when they do occur instead saying we are going to force you to see red lights until such time as you deal with it or we do not care to find out it is the red lights triggering you, just fix the wrong behaviour. This is called compromise. ABA does not deal with compromise or nuance, the bottom line is right and wrong. Right and wrong/no nuance has its place in this world but not everyplace.

                I would do the research or much better yet hire a bunch of qualified autistic researchers but I do not have the money or resources to do that. The government or private firms are not going to give money to some guy on the internet. They are going to give it to the ones who lobby best and right now that is the ABA lobby.

                What I described in the first paragraph may not be proper ABA and based on what you have written is not what you practice but it is the ABA is too often practiced. As long as ABA has a monopoly on Autism behavioral interventions the chance of significant reform to what you and to some extent what I want is roughly equivalent to the chance of Autistics creating our own country as some Neurodiversity advocates want.

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              3. And ABA refuses to admit its errors. This makes it a pseudoscience that masquerades as science while it points the finger at true supports, such as peer support, and calls us pseudoscientific. If it were not so harmful, it would be a joke.

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              4. ABA DOES deal with compromise. I don’t think you’ve ever participated in legitimate ABA training if you honestly believe that. It’s a well known understanding that you work your up way through gradients depending on the the person’s Functional Behavioral Assessment. You don’t start at completely the most extreme end with regards to ANY training. That doesn’t make any sense. So in the example of a red light, yes you expose them to it, but you start at a lower end and work your way up. Yes, it may be unpleasant, but you start somewhere.

                It sounds like you’re basically saying that there’s nothing wrong with ABA as a principle of science involving every person’s behavior (which is what it is by the way) but rather that many parents need to educate themselves so that what I described above is what is targeted rather than pointless “window-dressing” social behaviors. That many in the industry pander to parent’s (and especially school teachers and personnel..they are the worst offenders in my opinion) ignorance may speak volumes about their propensity to put profit over principles but that is something people need to change, not abolish any sort of intervention altogether. Is the business side of it unpleasant? It certainly can be. I can’t tell you how many cases I’ve been removed off of because the parents didn’t like my approach and how financially desperate I’ve been at times in response from needing to jump around from company to company. But it doesn’t negate the tremendous benefit it has had on many people’s lives, some of which I’ve witnessed first hand. Life is rarely black and white like that. Tell parents to target proper skills instead of telling them not to do it altogether.
                You can do as much as you put your mind to. Many companies I know started from the ground up, just like you are able to if you are really passionate about it.

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            2. To a certain extent I am agreeing with you.
              If more scientific and autistic input of ABA were happening I might not be objecting to the field as a whole. But right now as you are saying the industry is catering largely to the parents wishes and that is the real world ABA and that is how I judge it by.

              So yes ABA is done in steps not all at once. The goal is still to correct wrong behaviors as judged by the parents who are paying them. That is not compromise but adjusting tactics to get to the same end.

              So the key is for all concerned is to educate parents. Many Neurodiversity advocates have done a bad job of this harassing parents and calling them child abusers and describing ABA by its most extreme and dated practitioners. This has only made parents more convinced that everything must be done to make sure my child does not grow up to be like them or that they are not really autistic at all.

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              1. I’m glad we can see eye to eye on this. I agree with the last part especially. There is a huge aspect of the neurodiversity movement that doesn’t even care to hear or argue from a logical point of view. Just emotions.
                Just to clarify, I do agree with the parental pandering, and that is definitely an issue, but 50%-75% of the skills targeted are valuable, like hygiene and self-care. But I do agree, the 25% of it that is BS should stop, but that’s up the parents/school professionals to stop being so uneducated on the matter.
                Oh and also, fuck Judge Rotenberg Center.

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              2. Fuck The Judge Rotenberg Center.

                What I try to explain to other ND people is that because of the ABA monopoly parents are often left with a choice of 1. ABA or whatever passes for it in their school district 2. Finding an “alternative” therapy for which they may have to uproot their family(not good for change averse autistic kids) and probably pay out-of-pocket. 3. Home schooling using “Dr. Google” methods. So in some cases ABA the is least of bad choices.

                Many parents are not reading social media and blogs by Autistics such as this, all the “experts” they see say ABA is the only way to go, insurance is going to pay, what could be wrong?

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        2. DEUSFNL. Don’t think I also did not witness dangerous violent behavior to myself and himself –
          because i did. My autistic son says i am a wonderful kind mum so you carry on with your aspersions! They won’t all grow out of it and i never said they will.. i said “age can improve things”… You really should not comment because you have no knowledge to comment.. you don’t walk in their shoes or understand them. Nobody will ever take you and your CULT seriously. I will no longer respond to any of your comments. Fight your cause yourself for your ‘happy little cult’ – EVERYONE on here autistic or parents of autistic kids disagree with you and ARE TELLING YOU but you won’t listen to their opinions… maybe you are a brainwashed nut job. This is what cults do.. they brainwash!

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          1. I don’t fight on behalf of any Cult. In fact, I actually hate the business and politics of most of the ABA industry. I fight on behalf of the actual science that has helped countless individuals, bullshit aside.
            NOT EVERYONE on here disagrees with my views (both parents, professionals, and even a few Autistic individuals on this forum have expressed their support for intervention), and even if they did, like you said, that’s their opinions. Opinions are like assholes: everyone’s got them. I argue with facts, regardless of what other’s opinions are. I listen and analyze them, because I never want to close myself from seeing a new perspective, but I express my own views regardless of anyone’s support or lack there of. That’s why I pay attention to this forum. Unfortunately, all I see are opinions from the likes of you (and other supposed neurodiversity advocates) without any facts.
            You said it makes you angry that some parents choose to engage in compliance training, as if these parents have made a terrible decision because your son liked that you didn’t make him engage in training. From the way I see things, a parent (of any child) has a responsibility to do everything to prepare a child for dealing with the World at large, even if that means doing things they don’t like in the immediate time frame. And just because your son turned out “FINE” by your definition does not negate how much better he could have turned out if you engaged him in training. That’s such a horribly lacking argument. Just cause a plant grew “fine” without me watering it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have grown better if I did, especially when evidence from other plants seems to support that notion. Your lack of perspective on such a simple aspect of cause and effect seems to indicate that your are, in fact, the nut job.

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            1. I called you that because you questioned my parenting to my son. Hurtful. When you go to the end of the earth to help your child and someone criticises you when there are times you think I can’t do this anymore but you keep going for the love of your child. Think before you speak – just because we have a different opinion than you!
              There are other therapies in the uk that I would seek out even the maudsley hospital work with children on the autistic spectrum. I have no problem parents seeking help and when you are desperate you’ll try any therapy. As you said it’s personal choice.
              ABA was investigated by Chris Packham (On the spectrum) TV presenter in the UK who made a programme about it and gathering his knowledge and what I have read it’s not for me and my lovely son. I don’t wish to argue. You are for it, I’m not. Each to their own as you said! Let’s call it a day. I’m done with arguing on here it’s futile! So finally, let’s call a truce!

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              1. I’m sure it does hurt. That’s what other parents feel when you make overgeneralizing statements that it’s “nonsense” when parents make their children engage in compliance training, as if they haven’t tried to exhaust all their options either. They would go to the ends of the Earth for their kids and they do it because they love them.

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    2. You are doing anything but listening to the people you are advocating for. An example is your language policing. It is very pretentious of you to tell us how we should define ourselves. We have a lifelong experience of being Autistic with all its trails and tribulations which you probably do not. Each individual on the spectrum who is intellectually capable gets to decide how they self identify, NOT YOU.

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    3. Please show us your videos of day one of your submission trainings and your forced normalities. Otherwise, be quiet. You listen to us for once, Mrs. Smith. Is that your real name? What is your BCBA credential with your name? And where is your published statement against your skin shock torture?

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    4. The only way you can help us, Mrs. Smith, BCBA, is to work for organizations that we actually autistic people govern. Then you do what we tell you to do. Otherwise, go away and leave us alone. You do not know autism directly. Only we do.

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  127. This article reflects exactly what I feel and what I’ve been feeling during the last year as a “therapist” in an ABA school. ABA is a cruel and extremely dangerous method, I could see how harmful it is in innocent and wonderful kids with autism. When I started in that school I didn’t know anything about ABA and the steps I followed are exactly the same as you perfectly explain in your article. I’ve been hiding in my job, letting the kids I had on my responsibility to be themselves, keeping them away from those terrible methods. I’m finally leaving this horrible world but I’m extremely sad jnowing that such a horrendous things are still happening to these kids. They don’t have any right to do all this harm to all these people.

    Thanks for your article.

    Anna

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    1. Anna… as a parent with an autistic son my heart goes out to you… thank you for your honesty. You know in your gut whether something feels right but you didn’t know before you begun your training. Your honesty might change a few parents minds in putting their kids through this training. Good luck in your new profession. caroline

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  128. Wow. Some very sad comments from a sincere parent and some horrible comments from people “who know” better. As a BCBA and a once-upon-a-time ABA parent, I understand your point. And, sadly I have seen what is mentioned- and even taught from people who meant well but were not current in the field.Thankfully, I pushed ahead and ABA has changed my life and I work diligently to work to relieve anxiety in my clients, not instill it. Today the field has evolved. I’m very happy about that.

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  129. Very interesting article, I’ve read a similar one (as in, the essential messages were the same) in German. I’m studying my master’s degree at university in Germany and we’ve been talking about autism therapy, specifically ABA. Everyone made it sound like a desireable thing, like it’s the only way to help Autistic children. It’s very hard to make the connection and realise what ABA actually is and does. I haven’t really had close contact with autistic people yet and science only teaches you what Autistic symptoms are plus the neurological side to it. No one asks about the feelings of autistic people, I finally realised that. I’ve been shocked when I read about the post traumatic stress, many autistic people experienced after growing up with ABA. I can understand the parents’ and societies desire to make autistic people function the way social norms expect them to. Doesn’t mean I agree with it. Ironically I work as a social worker and also have a psychiatric disease as well which results from a traumatic childhood so I was hit even harder by the truth about ABA. I’ve always thought that I understand my clients with psychiatric diseases a tad better because I know what they are going through and I remember that it’s always been hard for me in the field of social work having a disease on my own so I cannot understand how I couldn’t make the connections and realise the truth about ABA sooner.

    Right now I really feel like autistic people might have a voice on the subject but aren’t heard. I’m wondering about how many autistic people actually have made bad experiences with ABA. Do you happen to know whether there are scientific studies on the matter? I’d imagine there aren’t, given the mass of ABA supporters. If there’s no numbers and statistics on it I’m really interestedly in generating some. Also I’d like to know if you know an alternative therapy method? I used to work in the field of helping people with disabilities in the matter of finding work and its rally hard for “classical” autistic people to find employers over here. I feel like autism therapy needs to be a mix of helping autistic children develop in their own environment and pace and not forcing behaviourstics on them someone decided would be good for them and teaching them an understanding of social standards to help them navigate through “our” world without becoming outsiders or living on the edge of society.
    Maybe there’s other people interested in finding out more about this subject? It’s just a vague idea but this topic really touches me and I feel like there needs to be more evidence collected so the popular excuse of using a scientifically based method can be banned!
    I’d be delighted if there’s other people with academically degrees interested in working on this subject. Also I’d love to cooperate with “normal” Autists on the subject as only they can tell how it looks from the inside.

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  130. Some questions to parents and/or other caregivers:

    1. When does caring go too far?
    2. If the autistic person asked you *not* to care, would you be willing to respect their wishes?

    This is why I have difficulties. On the one hand, I appreciate the offer, but I feel like it’s a paradox. In some cases, you’re giving something to a person who either doesn’t want it or doesn’t know how to use it. It takes two people to give a gift – one to give it, and one to *receive* it. Too often, we forget that.

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  131. Never believe what an ABAer claims is true. Secretely videotape them with your child or else be there watching, always, if you must hire one. Would you allow them to treat you like a dog? Day One of their submission training is most obviously torture, which is when they first move to break the free spirit of your child. And ask her for her official statement against skin shock. The UN calls this their torture. They’re usually women. They won’t have one published. Why? ABA is a cult that silences opponents and punishes its own dissidents. Dusty Jones, BCBA, told me they force the good ones to quit.

    See Altieri (May 1, 2017). A Clockwork Orange in Denver. International Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) convention “approves” Canton, Massachusetts’ extremely painful electric skin “shock therapy” after autistic advocates told them year after year to stop “approving” this torture. Is all ABA Empathy Disabled?

    https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2017/05/like-predictable-clockwork-orange-ass.html

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  132. It’s unfortunate that the author of this letter was given a lot of wrong and incomplete info
    on what ABA is and how ABA is practiced from the institution/university. The basic principles of ABA practice have been completely misunderstood. Sad !

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    1. Wrong. Emily was doing ABA, down in the trenches. Do you think the actually autistic victims and survivors care how you devise more precise ways to torture us in your ivy league BF Skinner academic lab rat experiments? Skin shock yourselves, profiteers, and keep your claws off our defenseless autistic peer toddlers!

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      1. NEVER! WE’LL NEVER LEAVE THEM ALONE! We’re heroes who will never give up on them! Even if their own families give up on any hopes of them having independence, we will NEVER give up on them. Vile villains like you David, who only wish to continue seeing low functioning Autistics continue to be helpless, will never prevail. We will fight the good fight against the apathy that you would spread under the guise of moral outrage, until autistics everywhere are given a fair chance at being independent.

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        1. Independence means having one’s own opinions. Yet when autistic people tell you their opinions so many of you are outraged, “How dare we”?

          Learning skills to be independent comes from being allowed to be as independent as possible and learning from one’s own mistakes and is not created by subjugation to comply with what you think is correct behavior 40 hours a week. That creates people too eager to please and thus too easy to manipulate.

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          1. ABza teaches young children that it’s wrong to say “no” to abusers, them. And they call that “therapy.” What a massive insurance fraud upon the USA taxpayers and insurance companies!

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            1. Typo fixed: ABA teaches young children that it’s wrong to say “no” to abusers, them. And they call that “therapy.” What a massive insurance fraud upon the USA taxpayers and insurance companies!

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        2. According to your own delusional behavior you are heroes. The emancipated survivors of ABA are in complete consensus agreement. You’re a bunch of money leeching abusers. You “treat” poor, defenseless, little toddlers with phony praises you pair with doggie treat bribes to UNDERFED children. Google Scholar “Applied behavior Analysis” with shock, ammonia, slapping, lemon, restraint, seclusion, aversion, or water spray and anyone can see your methods of torture. I’ll say it again, quit the booze, go away, and leave us alone, you greedy, heartless profiteers. You’re not heroes to us. You’re villains! Many many alcoholics who divorce. Who are you to misjudge our behaviors!?

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          1. I am a person with common sense. That’s who I am. You’re a delusional little troll. Get out and stop harassing already distraught families who suffer at the hands of dangerous behavior. Opinions don’t mean shit when they lack skills for self-preservation. That’s my opinion. And it counts. Deal with it.

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            1. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I some dangerous and maladaptive behaviors to go and put on extinction. Super Behaviorist, Away!!

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              1. ALL ages until 21. And it depends on the person, what they like, and the importance of the skill. I keep it logical. I keep it simple. But most of all, I keep it 100 homie.

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              2. Ok, Ed, if that’s your real name, bigshot bully. Show us Day One of your submission training videos. Prove how “good” you really are. I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong if indeed I am. AND where is your published statement against extremely painful electric ABA skin shocK? I guarantee everybody that you ain’t got one and you will refuse to make one. Why? You’re in a cult. That’s why, troll.

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              3. I was an ABA therapist for years and can say with 100000% certainty that the company I worked through NEVER used aversive or negative reinforcements. This Dave guy goes on about skin shock therapy, something I have never heard of it in my area. We focused on rewarding positive behavior, and trying to manage detrimental behaviors. Most stimming we didn’t try to change-unless it was necessary (constant screaming, aggression towards others). Even then, we would still try to figure out what was triggering the behavior and fix that environment, instead of changing the child. Some behaviors did need to be changed-I had one client who constantly masturbated/humped things. Clearly this is unacceptable, we were able to get her to bounce on an exercise ball instead which was much more appropriate. If it wasn’t hurting anyone, we didn’t change it. We also didn’t force children to speak, we tried to find a way to communicate-whatever seemed most accessible for the child-and work with that. We got creative with picture systems etc, and oh when the child figured out how to tell us they were hungry and what they wanted to eat-I assure you they were glad to have learned that, instead of screaming for two hours hoping someone would figure it out. But no, you’re right Dave, that was awful of us to teach her. We ruined her life.

                Old school ABA may have been awful. These days, it CAN be done much better. There are still changes that need to be made though, but it isn’t always torture. Similarly-it is not always the best solution for every child. One size does not fit all.

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            2. Wow Dave. I’m so sorry. Guess you’re not just Autistic. But you’re also retarded. Get him some help bitch.

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              1. Everbody, take note of this ABA Controller’s tactics. Ed cannot win a logical debate. I asked him to show us Day One of his submission training videos. So rather than engage on the topic at hand he attacks my character, calls me retarded, troll, delusional. Such an illogical ad homonem tactic would get him kicked right off the debate team. I wonder if he’s been drinking. Perhaps he needs a rehab. I think we need to put his verbal behavior on extinction. It’s inappropriate.

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              2. No point in arguing with intellectually disabled bullies. Your arguments make no sense and you insult. Hence you’re a retard. Case closed bitch.
                NOW, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to teach hundreds of Autistic kids how to speak another language aside from “headbangese.” So they too can grow up and laugh at your stupidity and lack of any real logic. Keep wasting your life on nothing.

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              3. Altieri (February 3, 2017). A brief review of the historical three-hour debate between behaviorist B. F. Skinner and humanist Carl Rogers precedes an analysis of the analysts, how Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) has headed the way of phrenology, into the predictable extinction of another psychological pseudoscience, which took off at Harvard University, this time, of all places.

                https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2018/02/a-brief-review-of-three-hour-debate.html

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              4. “So rather than engage on the topic at hand he attacks my character”
                You mean like you do? Although I do like Rogerian approaches and Skinner’s Behaviorism, thanks for posting a debate that proves nothing. Way to go dipshit.

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              5. I didn’t call you a dipshit. I called you a bully. Anyway, I challenge you to a debate with no more ad hominem character assassinations. Can you do it? Right here.

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              6. Edward, I think you’re trying to bring this page down by calling people “dipshit,” and the like. You don’t bother me, bully. However, since I challenged you to non-name calling debate and you persist and decline my offer, you admit defeat before we even begin. I won’ belabor Emile’s great article by giving your nonsense any more of my attention. I consider it a waste of my time and Emily’s readers’ time. I now put your verbal behavior on extinction. I ignore you. I bet we’ll see your extinction burst next and then you’ll leave me alone and go on to bother others. It’s rather sad, your behavior. Do you drink? Then don’t misjudge us. Get help.

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              7. The question is: Can YOU do it? Because so far, all I see is a retard arguing out of his ass, with NO logic, and hurling insults, calling anyone who disagrees a bully, torturer, or abuser. So NO, go fuck yourself. I’m too busy with-holding rewards from Autistic kids so they actually SURVIVE to argue with your moronic ass. That ad-hominem enough for you?

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              8. This forum is full of people who argue facts against you, but you just argue with nothing but quotes and insults. You’re bringing down this forum. Look at all the BS you already posted that has NO LOGIC. You have no argument against getting kids to do anything without rewards and aversives, neurotypical or neuroatypical. Go ahead. Make an argument. Autistic people don’t get a blank check to ruin their lives and their family’s life. YOU KNOW NOT THE BULLSHIT, DANGEROUS, behavior that these families suffer from. Those kids don’t have a right to behave in a way that hurts themselves and others, even if it’s due to motor dyspraxia or something like that. Those families have a right to peace. Hence, you have NOTHING to argue with. CASE CLOSED.
                And, fyi, I don’t drink.

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  133. Wow Dave. I’m so sorry. Guess you’re not just Autistic. But you’re also retarded. Get him some help bitch.

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  134. I find it interesting that you are basing your opinions of ABA on google searches and blog posts. And your limited knowledge, it also does or sound like you are a BCBA. So you do not have the full educational background or experience. There have been hundreds of scientific studies showing ABA’s successful positive impact and best treatment for ASD.
    Based on scientific research and my personal experience with my son, I respectful disagree.

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    1. People don’t do studies on how it hurts, because they don’t think about that. The blog posts are from all manner of autistic people, the very people who have gone through and been hurt by this kind of thing. Why does that count for nothing to so many people?

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    2. There are not many if any studies on long term effects because ABA has only gained widespread usage on Autistic children in recent years.

      When you are testing a new therapy or drug the usual procedure is to ask the patients if the treatment is working. This is not done much with ABA for a number of reasons. With ABA it is the insurance companies and parents who pay for it so it is they who get asked and define success. Also, it is often the case that the Autistic subject is incapable of reporting back accurately because they are a young child. As for the adults, I get a feeling that they are PERCIEVED to be incapable of reporting back accurately because they are Autistic. When autistic adults report back bad results it is assumed that they are reporting on the “bad old ABA” or quacks.

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  135. Here are the tenants of mental health services that professionals in the field teach college students. Most of you don’t seem to know them.

    1. There is no such thing as “100% effective, one-size-fits-all” therapy for any psychiatric condition, and research statistics reflect that.

    Even though ABA has a bunch of scholarly support, you will never find a research paper claiming that it is 100% effective for everybody. All we have are methods that work for most. If you actually read the papers, you will find statistics, and statistics are based on averages. There will always be outliers. People who are outliers are the people we should want to know about. We should want to know why a treatment works better than average for some so that we can strive for that outcome, and also why it doesn’t work at all for others so that we can help them. So all of you repeating over and over that research says it’s the best; sure, but not for everyone, and no peer-reviewed research paper would ever claim that.

    2. People are allowed to not like a treatment, and no matter how small that population is, they should not fall through the cracks and suffer.

    The outliers of people who find ABA ineffective should not be ignored; especially when they are represented by a parent or guardian. Just because a research paper focusing on them hasn’t been published does not mean they don’t exist or matter. In fact, they’re also usually represented somewhere in the statistics of papers supporting ABA. We have to be able to spot when a treatment does not fit a client and we have to have alternatives available for them to try.

    3. We forget that mental health services are just that–a service, a product, a commodity. Knowing about the cons of a treatment is part of being a responsible clinician and a critical consumer.

    People pay money to get something out of therapy. Even if ABA has all the pros in the world, consumers should be aware of cons and watch out for them; especially if they represent a child. Likewise, before spending time and money to become a mental health service provider, students should also act as critical consumers. They should find out what they’re getting people to pay them for, learn how to spot when a treatment is not working for a client, and know about alternatives for such people.

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  136. Great article. Most people have very poor notions of ethics and humane behavior, despite the fact that many say and believe they do. Piaget had already pointed that out when he said most adults never reach the last developmental mental level when it comes to the process of abstract thinking, which is where ethics is understood. Most can’t get what you are saying because it requires quite a subtle perception on many issues they will never clearly see. But you are right. Now you are truly making a difference. Sometimes in life we have to go through certain things in order to finally be able to see the deep aspects often hidden to the outside viewer. I am a psychologist, and have I son with Asperger’s.

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  137. Great article and your comments show insight and feeling. My son is Autistic and i like him just see it as part of him.I embrace it as i embrace him as a human being.I work in psychotherapy and i try to understand the world from his perception. Doesn`t always work but we work together to learn. He is not violent but expresses frustrations in an aggressive way because he cant yet work out how else to communicate feelings. However he is making progress and the meltdowns are not as intense. He had alot of insecurities and fears from school but now reads and spells amazingly but wont write because his writing was big and too much was made of this. I take things a step at a time. Lovaas agreed his method wasn`t a raging success. We are all humans and all have flaws. For the Autism i have worked with i have found when the time is right things will click into place if you work together with respect. I dont want my son to be anyone he isnt. The world would be boring if we were all the same. Autistic individuals are highly intelligent and creative they just process in a different way. Some things they just dont get but then nor do i.

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  138. “Caring meant there was no way I could be hurting them. I now realize how dangerous this idea really is.”

    Exactly my point. For me, that’s where a lot of the pain in my life comes from.

    Question to the non-autistics who support us: Do you care enough to not care? Sorry to be all Zen on you. But I ask it as legitimately as I can.

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  139. Thank you for an excellent article. You brought out all the characteristics I suspected were true and more. When I did my internship to get my Masters; in Counseling (school), I was taught to use ABA. I thought it very degrading to the children, like you say. I saw great gifts in them, but the teachers and the curriculum are geared low, with the intonation they are lower animals.

    Later I did research on this. The dehumanization of human beings it attributed to German psychologist, Wilhelm Wundt in 1879. He declared to his students at the Leipzig University, that Man was nothing more than an animal and he redefined Man’s problems in “biological terms”> He claimed that Man as an animal could be as easily manipulated as a dog could be trained to salivate at the sound of a bell. He also claimed he had developed a “science without a soul” .This is the foundation of A.B.A.

    This became Operant conditioning and the manipulation of Pavlov’s dogs, B.F. Skinner, the behavioral psychologist who put a pigeon in a box, with a bar and every time the bird hit the bar a pellet came down Ah! Reward and Punishment was born. He was so removed from is own children, whom, as I recall he put in boxes to measure them and claimed he’d rather see them burn than destroy his research. Now we see the roots of all the author was talking about.

    It is cruel, it does disregard the person under the face, the hair, the nose, the body. It is the opposite of developing autonomy, initiative, innovation, intellect, creative energy. All of which is possible.

    Truth is , man is not the victim of his environment with little conscious control over his thoughts and thus to be trained as these behaviorists believed, I believe human kind is Created for divine purpose; all of us!

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  140. Altieri (February 28, 2018). Non-vocal of speech, actually-autistic blogger Amy Sequenzia (April 12, 2016) proposed to our peer group “that every time we write or talk about Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA), that we also write or say Autistic Conversion Therapy. Gay Conversion Therapy has a bad reputation…. Both ‘treatments’ (tortures) have the same root.”

    https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2018/02/non-verbal-actually-autistic-blogger.html

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    1. Bullshit. It’s funny that you say roots…by that logic, everything has roots in something else.
      Gay conversion therapy is an unethical form of therapy banned in many states that tries to change a balanced individual based on moral pretenses.
      ABA is a difficult but righteous form of therapy that changes dangerous and maladaptive behaviors in individuals to help them be more independent.
      And for the record, Fuck Amy. She’s a self-righteous bitch along with Amethyst and you that have very little logic in their arguments…just let Autistic people do whatever they want and it’s up to the family and the world to put up with everything…you’re all pathetic. Get a real job.

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        1. I gues that resorted to calling me bully without any justfication implies that you’re out of steam and you know that I’m right. I’m glad you could put your BS preconceived notions aside and admit what is best for Autistic individuals the world over.

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    1. Oh no…not PTSD!! You mean they have PTSD from being trained to live more independently within their ability to do so?!?!? From being made to have skills for self-preservation!?! What vile criminals would try to help Autistic people like this?!? :)

      But really…, if that’s the unavoidable case in some instances, then get them psycho-therapy for the PTSD. Unavoidable PTSD is better than Dead/institutionalized autistic children. Period. CASE CLOSED.

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      1. Mr. Elric, ABAer, persists with his challenging and socially inappropriate behavior on this page.

        This time, in this thread, he just mocked us for the PTSD ABAers cause their victims. He said, “Oh no. Not PTSD!” Then he calls it unavoidable and gives another of your typical ABA sales pitch horror story claiming ABA saves lives. It’s quite the contrary. ABA causes deaths. We have this well documented. If he asks, we’ll show him the proof.

        Then he said, “Case closed.” Well let me tell you something, young man. The case is open. I am a victim of ABA ostracism. I used to be one of you. Until I challenged the status quo about your all out support of skin shock torture and any manner of abusive “aversion therapy.” They laid it on thick. I have also been falsely imprisoned by forced psychiatry while they refused to listen to my family and my psychologist and psychiatric nurse who told them to let me out. I have nightmares and bad memories from you people every day and every night. I wake up with sadness in my eyes, tearing sometimes. How dare you mock PTSD, Elric! Just who do you think you are? A hero? No. You are a villain! Go away and leave us alone!

        The point in this comment is that Elric is just one of many ABAers who mock their victims. This is a widespread phenomenon. We feel sorry for them and their families.

        Here is proof:

        https://rewardandconsent.blogspot.com/2017/09/applied-behavior-analysis-cardgate.html

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        1. Get off your pity pot. If someone abused you, then they should get what’s coming to them. That doesn’t give you the right to make up stuff about ABA and try to discourage already distraught parents from seeking a potentially life-saving intervention. Do you listen to your level of sanctimonious self-rightousness? I’m guessing not and it’s probably a part of your disability.
          Saying that teaching valuable skills for independence causes PTSD is like saying that going to the Doctor to get chemotherapy causes PTSD. Even if it does, that might be the person’s unfortunate circumstance and nobody is to blame for that. Every effort is made to not cause them emotional discomfort but when you’re dealing with a possibly severe neurological impairment like Autism and it’s associated disorders like Sensory Processing issues and motor dyspraxia, you do what you can to give them a chance at living independently or even just staying alive past a certain age.

          I’m not sure I’m the one mocking one anyone here. You’re the one mocking families when you say the following behaviors (which I have witnessed firsthand) are not to be changed and just need to be accepted by everyone:
          Punching your mom and pulling out her earings from her ear for a reason that no one could figure out what you wanted.
          Holding in your urine until you cause harm to your bladder or just urinating a little at a time in the toilet and holding in the rest and pissing on the floor later.
          Having a meltdown and disrupting your class for the rest of the day because it was raining outside.
          Not being able to get your homework done because you can’t even sit still for more than a minute at a time.

          AND those are only off the top of my head…all of which I have witnessed a stop or at least a decrease when these individuals underwent ABA. There is irrefutable evidence of this. That’s why insurances and regional centers pay for it! So yes, it does save lives, more so than it potentially causes PTSD.

          What is with dipshits like you and Amethyst? Are you so vile that you would discourage others from seeking help because you had tough time?

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          1. Elric you are a BULLY.


            Altieri (April 24, 2018). Action alert for San Diego, California late May, 2018.

            ABA Leaks finds yet another year of the Association for Behavior Analysis International’s (ABAI’s) intransigent, all-out support of extremely painful Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) electric skin shock, what the UN specifically calls “torture,” even as over 200,000 outraged global citizens have petitioned the FDA to finalize its proposed ban of ABA’s so-called “skin shock therapy.”

            Does Maria Malott, ABAI CEO, fully comprehend how cruel and heartless she appears to be? We don’t think so.

            This is not psychiatry’s ECT brain shock. ABA admits it intends to “effectively” cause pain, and it does, though ineffectively.

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  141. Ludwig (2005). Why ABA harms your autistic child.

    “ABA is not a ‘cure’ for autism, it is a personality-altering conversion therapy camouflaging the real person at a terrible cost. Problematic and undesired behaviours have causes; ABA intends to change these behaviours without addressing the causes.”

    franklludwig.com/aba.html

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    1. The cause is a neurological impairment known as Autism and/or motor dyspraxia. The “cause” of some of their behavior is often times out of anyone’s control or should not be changed, like a kid I worked with who would punch his mom if anything didn’t go how he expected or another kid who felt compelled to stim by putting his dirty feet on various objects. Nothing to change in the “Cause” and these behaviors are unacceptable. Hence, work on the behaviors with a series of rewards and aversives until they are neurologically rewired to behave in a safe and sanitary manner.The cause is only important for developing a rigorous ABA behavioral intervention plan. Once again Dave, empty citations that are missing the point entirely. Do you self-righteous Neurodiversity advocates even listen to family’s who have to struggle with these behaviors? Or are you too busy being full of yourselves to listen to logic? ABA is necessary. For the reasons stated above.

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    1. Abuse interferes with the child gaining independence.
      ABA improves the child”s ability to function independently.
      I’ve just disproven this article in two sentences. Nothing to apologize for.
      Now, I’ll gladly accept YOUR apology Dave for spreading misinformation and interfering with parent’s being able to make objective decisions on early ABA intervention. That is if you really care about Autistic people like you claim to.

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  142. SLP Neurodiversity Collective International Facebook Page:

    We are a growing group of like-minded Speech-Language Pathologists (SLPs) who believe that the emotional well-being of the child supersedes mandating “compliant” behavior. We are autistic allies who assert that all behavior is communication and that sometimes behavior is the only communication a child may have the ability to produce at that particular moment. We advocate neurodiversity, self-determination, dignity, respect of individual rights, sensory preferences, and the power to say “no.” WE ARE ANTI-ABA [All caps added here by DA]. Above all, we seek to understand the reason behind our clients’ behaviors. While supporting the child’s emotional well-being, we provide them with therapy to expand their communication in meaningful and functional ways, and in the manners which best work and are most natural for the child. SLP Neurodiversity Collective© 2018

    https://www.facebook.com/SLPNeurodiversityCollective/

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    1. @DaveAltieri… thank you. As a mum with a son who is 18 now and autistic – most of us here are on your side. Wouldn’t dream of doing ABA on my son. There are other ways… parents should read books, try to understand autism as much as possible and watch sensory overload (food/smells). Trust me my son was so difficult until age around 12/13… but now he is so lovely and rarely has a meltdown (I work with him – warn him before things happen as much as possible/don’t force him to do things I WANT HIM TO DO or EAT (!) – what’s the point?… He excelled when he went to a school where the support teachers were kind to him (LISTENED TO HIM) and WORKED WITH HIM to the levels he WAS COMFORTABLE WITH. Forcing him would have damaged him much more. With age behaviour does improve in many instances… hang in there parents!

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  143. Thank you, Caroline in the UK. That helps. I am dealing with an ABA bully on this “Why I Left ABA” post. They are exhausting. I feel sorry for them and their families.

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    1. Don’t be so self-righteous Dave and stop playing the victim. When people try to play the victim, they usually become the villain. I’m not a bully, but rather someone who cares enough about Autistic individuals and their families to call you out on your BS. You haven’t made a single civil argument in this whole forum..just name calling and illogical rants. I’ve asked you several times to describe in detail how you get ANY kids to do anything without rewards or aversives and why you think maladaptive behaviors need the consent of children to be changed, and it’s like you just ignore the part where you back up your claims…it’s really sad actually. It’s like you KNOW that you’re wrong but you want to derail families seeking help anyways. So in essence Dave, you’re the bully. In a way, you actually bully and talk over low functioning autistic children who don’t have a loud of a voice as you to say what they believe is in their best interests.

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    2. Haha I know i have had a few arguments myself on here and eventually gave up! They fight back with pure venom and spite, it’s not a pleasant experience. That is why you had sympathy! In the UK there was a fantastic programme done by a TV presenter with autism who visited ABA centres in America and he was very uncomfortable with ABA therapy. It was such a good programme you might be able to catch it online somewhere.
      Titled : Chris Packham Aspergers and Me.
      https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/4704787/chris-packham-aspergers-and-me-documentary-bbc/

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  144. ​Altieri (April 24, 2018). Action alert for San Diego, California late May, 2018.

    ABA Leaks finds yet another year of the Association for Behavior Analysis International’s (ABAI’s) intransigent, all-out support of extremely painful Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) electric skin shock, what the UN specifically calls “torture,” even as over 200,000 outraged global citizens have petitioned the FDA to finalize its proposed ban of ABA’s so-called “skin shock therapy.”

    Does Maria Malott, ABAI CEO, fully comprehend how cruel and heartless she appears to be? We don’t think so.

    This is not psychiatry’s ECT brain shock. ABA admits it intends to “effectively” cause pain, and it does, though ineffectively.

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  145. I have a 6 year old non-verbal autistic daughter who becomes violent and leaves horrific bruises all over her legs as soon as she realizes we have to leave the house. She refuses to go anywhere for any reason at all (almost like severe agoraphobia) and has been like this since she was about 2 years of age. She doesn’t want to go outside on her swing-set or play in her sandbox or her pool in the summer time. She steadfastly refuses to get in my car. I tried 2 hours a day of preschool when she was 4 and removed her from the program after 7 months because she was largely ignored and miserable while she was there. She has otherwise been solely in my care every day for the entirety of her life. She shows little interest in anyone except me and her father (however I will say my family is in New Jersey and his family is in California; we live in Kentucky). My anxiety and depressing have become crippling because I know what I am going to go through to get her into the car once she sees clothes and shoes and knows we are leaving.

    I have tried showing her videos and picture cards beforehand; explaining to her where we will be going and what we will be doing and have found literally nothing eases her anxiety. She does not want to leave the house and I have no idea why as there is no trauma I can readily identify as a trigger. She has a special iPad set up with Proloquo2go and also has constant access to a PECS book. We have a visual schedule hanging up in the hallway. Her doctors wanted me to start her on Risperdal when she was 3. I refused medicine for years because she was so young and I couldn’t bring myself to medicate her as I was afraid there would be side effects and she would be unable to tell me something was wrong. I felt so helpless watching her constantly harm herself so I agreed to try medicine. She is also on Fluoxetine now as well now. There have been some small positive changes but the larger issues still remain.

    I love my daughter with every fiber of my being. I feel as though she misses out on …her childhood because she is a shut-in. I don’t want to change all of the things about her that make her who she is but I don’t want her to stay locked up in the house or hurt herself. It doesn’t bother me she flaps her hands or wants me to repeat the same phrases 800 times a day. It doesn’t bother me she has watched Bubble Guppies every day for the past 4 years. It doesn’t bother me she loves to rock or swing (there’s a hammock hanging up in the middle of my living room; in fact, my house looks like Chuck E. Cheese complete with a ball pit, sliding board, play house, trampoline, etc.). I don’t want to make her someone she isn’t; I merely want to help her to be someone who has the skills to care for herself and is able to leave the house.

    We are getting ready to begin in-home ABA shortly because I have exhausted all other methods of trying to help her. The BCBA will be traveling to my home to train me (I am almost through a 40 hour RBT class). The reason I am bothering to put this here is I empathize with autistic individuals who feel like ABA is intrusive and ineffective, however, you have to understand my viewpoint as a parent. What would you recommend I do to help my daughter? She surely cannot go through life never leaving my house, never gaining any sense of independence, hurting herself and unable to care for herself.

    I have read a lot of information/books/articles/blogs from both professionals in the field and autistic people who were treated with ABA and I can honestly say it seems like there is good ABA and bad ABA (especially the ones who use inhumane tactics like shock treatment). People who get in the field to make money and could give a toss about the kids they are “treating” and people who genuinely want to help and go about doing so in way that is not detrimental to the children they are tasked with protecting and helping. I fear it sometimes seems like the bad BCBAs tend to outnumber the good BCBAs but it’s like any other field of medicine: some people are made for the work and good at it while others are not. It’s my job as the parent to sort through that mound of information and come out with a BCBA my daughter will like as well as someone who will be effective at helping her/good at their job without harming her.

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    1. @Kelly. No one is criticising you as a parent you have to choose what is right for you. Many of us are saying it’s not right for us, but as you said you have exhausted all options. My son was extremely difficult in different areas than what you are experiencing and trust me I had a very difficult time. He did manage to go to a normal school though but we had big difficulties there… laying in puddles refusing to get up, locking himself in cupboards etc (I have been there!) so i learnt to live through him as it reduces my stress… for me that was the easiest way. I have never taken him on plane, or a train and he has never been on a holiday since he was 4 years old and that was an hour away, he is now 18! I do feel that this is what happens when you have child with a diagnosis, life becomes impaired in some way or another. i don’t feel too upset that i can’t have a holiday, luckily i travelled when i was younger but it is not ideal…Honestly now my son is 18 he tells me he has no INTEREST in going on holiday, NO interest in socialising, etc … he just wants to be on a computer 24/7. Unless I have to take him somewhere like a meeting (then i warn him) he does not leave the home. If you think about it, if your daughter is happy at home then she is not missing out because they don’t want to do the things we want to do. If you let her (as much as you can) live the life she wants you might find that she will be happier but it comes at a cost as it will affect your social life. I think if i forced my son to go to the beach (which he says he hates sand, hates water, hates swimming) when we got there it would be so much more stressful for me. They do get better although my son did not really make improvements until he was about 12, he just seemed to understand his diagnosis better and better and expressing himself. Have you tried the gluten/casien elimination diet and the Epsom salt baths (I still put my son’s feet in a bowl of water now when he is going hyper and agitated he says it calms him down). My son has complete meltdowns around smelly food – could food or smells be making things worse? Don’t force food – I learnt the hard way my son was not a fussy eater when he was around 6 years old trying to get him to eat lasagne and coming in the room to see him smearing it around the table in complete distress… tried again to realise he was not a fussy eater and vowed never to force him to eat any foods i wanted him to eat. Now he can tell me today that those foods make him feel physically sick- the smell, the colour! So that’s a little bit of advice that might or might not help you! In the meantime i wish you luck. Keep your spirits up… try yoga or something so you can keep the anxiety in check as much as you can. Hope that helps!

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      1. Your son is an adult now and he has more rights to make decisions for himself. Put him in touch with the Autistic Self-Advocacy Network and ABA Leaks of Facebook. It is not uncommon for us to find friends online. We get bullies. It is no surprise he does not want to leave the house.

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        1. Thank you for your advice @davejersey @safetypat but he’s ok in his room that’s all he wants to do sit on the computer 24:7 and play games but happy being alone!

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  146. Compliance training MUST start with ONLY pleasant instructions for a child. Apparently you didn’t have a good supervisor who SHOULD explain to you: Fist principle of ABA is a reinforcer. How you describe it here – you used a lot of punishment. This is not acceptable
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  147. “trigger warning”, “ableism” – the political-left faggotry is not winning you any credibility

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  148. Is there any way I can talk to you directly? I have some serious concerns- my daughter is about to begin a masters program in ABA.

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  149. I am autistic/have Asperger’s and this post has been very eye opening and confirms what I already knew/read about ABA. I am lucky that I’ve never had to go through it (likely due my diagnosis being a little less than 4 years ago). This post summarises ABA in a point of view – a former therapist – which is rarely heard; and gives an interesting outlook/perspective from a (I assume) NT person who is willing to listen. :)

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  150. This link is to the Medicaid team announcing July 20, 2018 its first round of sanctions against those in Florida who do Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA). They determined they committed insurance fraud. It’s a major ongoing investigation. Among others cited, MGM Behavioral agreed to return $1,000,000+.

    ABAers don’t does not want us “disseminating” this information. They want to silence us at ABA Leaks. You may have seen them lash out against us here in WordPress. Please share this link across the internet.

    Click to access AgencyAnnouncesSanctionsAgainstBAProviders.pdf

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